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southpaw

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Targeted operations against weapons trafficking networks.
Stepping up border inspections.
And if those weapons trafficking networks are disproportionately black? If those border inspections disproportionately catch black smugglers? Then what?

Because I have news for you. In the GTA, the shooters are disproportionately black.
 

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Just let a few of these mass shootings happen and guess who will fall in line when the pressure steps up?
And the owners will be possessing illegal weapons, so their funeral.
And more proof, that we need the buybacks, and controls I suggested to prevent gun crime.
Who's going to enforce it? Most police services and provinces have already opted out.

"Let a few more of these mass shootings happen..." interesting choice of words, it's almost like you want more violence to occur to score political points.
 
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And if those weapons trafficking networks are disproportionately black? If those border inspections disproportionately catch black smugglers? Then what?
Because I have news for you. In the GTA, the shooters are disproportionately black.
They are being targeted for crime, not race.
Mass shooters are disproportionately white.
So by the your logic, I guess you are proposing that whites should be carded, and stopped and frisked?
 

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Who's going to enforce it? Most police services and provinces have already opted out.
"Let a few more of these mass shootings happen..." interesting choice of words, it's almost like you want more violence to occur to score political points.
As long as there are guns, there is going to be violence.
Which is why we need to eliminate them for the most part.
And just because police refuse to help the feds, doesn't mean your possession isn't illegal or that they won't arrest you for possessing illegal weapons.
As I said, hope these gun owners do the needful by October, or they will be in possession of illegal weapons. Their funeral.
 

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As long as there are guns, there is going to be violence.
Which is why we need to eliminate them for the most part.
And just because police refuse to help the feds, doesn't mean your possession isn't illegal or that they won't arrest you for possessing illegal weapons.
As I said, hope these gun owners do the needful by October, or they will be in possession of illegal weapons. Their funeral.
As long as there are people, there is going to be violence.

Whether it's illegal come October or not, police need a reason to pay citizens a visit, remember, or are you hoping they engage in your version of carding? Don't comply, yet don't make a fuss; I can't see why they'd waste their time just to virtue signal while real crime is still happening.
 
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They are being targeted for crime, not race.
But what if targeting for crime, not race, results in a disproportionate amount of black men arrested? Then what? Will you continue to support these measures if 90 percent of those caught are black?

I have no problem admitting that most mass shooters are white. Can you admit that most shooters (in terms of number of incidents) are black?
 
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cunning linguist

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True. Don't give them a reason by flashing those guns around.
Make sure to lock it in a safe and throw those keys away. lmao.
They've been secured for six years and yet criminals are better armed than ever, are you seeing the separation yet or do you still insist on conflating?
 

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But what if targeting for crime, not race, results in a disproportionate amount of black men arrested? Then what? Will you continue to support these measures if 90 percent of those caught are black?
I have no problem admitting that most mass shooters are white. Can you admit that most shooters (in terms of number of incidents) are black?
Yes, if 90% of those caught are black, so what? They are being caught for crime.
So since most mass shooters are white, will you still support carding, stopping and frisking whites?
Also what is your response to this - https://gemini.google.com/share/e87495dd6edf
 
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They've been secured for six years and yet criminals are better armed than ever, are you seeing the separation yet or do you still insist on conflating?
But now you'd be breaking the law keeping them secured.
And gun bans are not directed at you, they are directed at reducing guns in circulation.
Are you seeing the separation yet?
 

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But now you'd be breaking the law keeping them secured
And gun bans are not directed at you, they are directed at reducing guns in circulation.
Holy shit, I'm almost in awe of the mental gymnastics at play. If gun bans aren't directed specifically towards licensed gun owners, why are they the only ones who can participate in the "buy back"? By contrast, no carding policy specifies black people, yet you seem to insist that there's some sort of targeted discrimination; though they haven't been specified in writing.

How do you even reconcile the two?

The guns have been effectively out of circulation for the past six years; no selling, no buying, just storage until such a time that they can pass a confiscation scheme and in those six years, criminals have only become better armed. Again, no effect. There goes your theory, again.
 

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why are they the only ones who can participate in the "buy back"?
Because they are the only ones who have those guns and this is one of the many controls I spoke about earlier.
The goal is to remove as many guns from circulation as possible. Buybacks for legal guns, arrests for illegal ones.
And by the way, if your gun is in storage, locked up and rotting away for 6 years, why do you even need it?
 

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As long as there are people, there is going to be violence.

Whether it's illegal come October or not, police need a reason to pay citizens a visit, remember, or are you hoping they engage in your version of carding? Don't comply, yet don't make a fuss; I can't see why they'd waste their time just to virtue signal while real crime is still happening.
They paid several visits. Removed guns. The GUN OWNER, knowing someone who is mentally ill and from reports had a thing for guns lived there, got them back despite this.

In other words, the legal responsible gun owner in fact wasn't. And set up the problem. The legal gun owner could have chosen to not own and deal with this, store off property, and not have easy access.

I'm betting they were not properly stored.

And here we are.
 

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Because they are the only ones who have those guns
If you're naieve enough to believe that, I've got a bridge on beachfront property for sale.

The goal is to remove as many guns from circulation as possible.
Which is an idealistic fantasy at best, criminals already ignore laws, their supply will continue to be unaffected.

And by the way, if your gun is in storage, locked up and rotting away for 6 years, why do you even need it?
Need has nothing to do with it, responsible gun owners aren't responsible for gun violence, so they shouldn't be punished for it.
 

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They paid several visits. Removed guns. The GUN OWNER, knowing someone who is mentally ill and from reports had a thing for guns lived there, got them back despite this.

In other words, the legal responsible gun owner in fact wasn't. And set up the problem. The legal gun owner could have chosen to not own and deal with this, store off property, and not have easy access.

I'm betting they were not properly stored.

And here we are.
And yet there are still millions of licensed gun owners in Canada, on any given day, who've done nothing wrong and acted responsibly.

If you want to extrapolate this incident to somehow be representative of licensed gun owners, what does that say about the transgendered community?
 
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If you're naieve enough to believe that, I've got a bridge on beachfront property for sale.
Which is an idealistic fantasy at best, criminals already ignore laws, their supply will continue to be unaffected.
I already told you.
It is one of the controls needed.
Register, confiscate, ban for legal guns in circulations.
LE for illegal guns.
Need has nothing to do with it, responsible gun owners aren't responsible for gun violence, so they shouldn't be punished for it.
They are not being punished.
Guns are an issue and everyone has to do their part including giving up guns they don't even use to help remove it from circulation.
 
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