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cunning linguist

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Because outlawing assault style weapons will make presence of such weapons in public possession illegal.
That is different, than someone bringing in illegal guns.
I think doing something about stopping gun smuggling along with assault weapon bans, and domestic confiscation will work to reduce crime.
Then you're a fool.

Criminals aren't licensed, their possession of "assault style weapons", which is a made up term, is already illegal. The "assault style weapons" market had already been frozen for six years and it hasn't affected black market availability in the slightest. The "buy back" (confiscation), is at best, an expensive virtue signal, paid by tax payers, to appease a vocal minority.
 

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See, your argument is wrong, logically, because you're clearly ignorant about the levels of restriction and monitoring that licensed gun owners are subject to.

I'll make the car analogy fit the gun analogy better: imagine if ingintion interlocks (breathalyzers) became mandated equipment on vehicles. Imagine if we had mandated, reduced capacity fuel tanks, akin to reduced magazine capacity. Imagine if you were required to own an attached garage to qualify for private vehicle ownership and you were required, by law, to install aftermarket secondary and tertiary security features to prevent theft, akin to safe storage. Now imagine if despite all that, if your vehicle was still stolen by a determined criminal, you were still charged for unsafe storage. You'll have a better idea of what gun owners are subjected to, in Canada.

As for magazine capacity, and semi-auto same goes for any authority figure you kowtow to; do cops need 15+ rounds in their pistols and 30+ rounds in their assault...er..."patrol carbines", to compensate for their lack of training and poor aim?
A car is not a gun. It's a false equivalence.
 
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Then you're a fool.

Criminals aren't licensed, their possession of "assault style weapons", which is a made up term, is already illegal. The "assault style weapons" market had already been frozen for six years and it hasn't affected black market availability in the slightest. The "buy back" (confiscation), is at best, an expensive virtue signal, paid by tax payers, to appease a vocal minority.
You are conflating two different things.
Confiscation and banning of assault weapons in Canada has nothing to do with gun smuggling.
Gun smuggling should be dealt with as it is in and of itself a crime. Even if such a gun was just kept in a locker.
Gun bans, are to outlaw the presence of assault weapons in Canada, to reduce gun crime.
Today we have the gun bans but the smuggling isn't being handled properly.
Do that, and we should be in a better state.
Just because smuggling exists, doesn't mean we shouldn't have gun bans.
 

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You are conflating two different things.
Confiscation and banning of assault weapons in Canada has nothing to do with gun smuggling.
Gun smuggling should be dealt with as it is in and of itself a crime. Even if such a gun was just kept in a locker.
Gun bans, are to outlaw the presence of assault weapons in Canada, to reduce gun crime.
Today we have the gun bans but the smuggling isn't being handled properly.
Do that, and we should be in a better state.
Just because smuggling exists, doesn't mean we shouldn't have gun bans.
So we agree that illegal gun use and responsible are separate, yet here you are, jumping through hoops and grasping at straws to link them together and I'm the one who's conflating separate issues?

LOL
 

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So we agree that illegal gun use and responsible are separate, yet here you are, jumping through hoops and grasping at straws to link them together and I'm the one who's conflating separate issues?
LOL
It is you that is conflating them, not me.
You are arguing that because guns are being smuggled, gun bans are not effective.
One has nothing to do with the other.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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guns have safety features...the person holding it doesn't. just like cars...the person behind the wheel doesn't have safety features...
You cannot open a car door or start a car without the keys, if you don't own it unless one is a car thief and they'd need specialized equipment for it.
Anyone can operate a gun on the other hand, even if it doesn't belong to them.
 
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It is you that is conflating them, not me.
You are arguing that because guns are being smuggled, gun bans are not effective.
One has nothing to do with the other.
Gun bans aren't effective because licensed gun owners aren't the ones doing the shooting, nor are they supplying criminals with guns, yet you keep insisting that they are, without evidence.

Yet here you are, lumping licensed, responsible gun ownership with illegal gun use. Pretty sure you're the one who's actually conflating the issue.
 

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Gun bans aren't effective because licensed gun owners aren't the ones doing the shooting, nor are they supplying criminals with guns, yet you keep insisting that they are, without evidence.
Yet here you are, lumping licensed, responsible gun ownership with illegal gun use. Pretty sure you're the one who's conflating the issue.
Whether licensed owners pull the trigger is besides the point.
Most crime guns enter the illegal market from the legal one via theft, straw purchases, and resale.
Fewer guns in circulation means fewer guns to divert and that justifies gun bans.
 

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Whether licensed owners pull the trigger is besides the point.
Most crime guns enter the illegal market from the legal one via theft, straw purchases, and resale.
Fewer guns in circulation means fewer guns to divert and that justifies gun bans.
The guns in circulation don't come from legal sources; the six years of freezing and decades of licensing prior, illustrate that.

You're conflating again.
 
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The guns in circulation don't come from legal sources; the six years of freezing and decades of licensing prior, illustrate that.

You're conflating again.
Of course they originate legally. What happens afterward may be illegal, but the ban serves as a barrier to entry from the start.
 

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Okay, and?
Right. We want to reduce the number manufactured by controlling the demand, to reduce circulation.
Hence the gun bans.
Pain pharmaceuticals and drug precursors are produced legally too, did drug dealers and addicts find a legal loophole?
Parmaceuticals and precursors are not manufactured to kill.
Guns are.
False equivalence.
 
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