10 dead, including perpetrator in school shooting in Tumbler Ridge, BC

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Butler1000 said:
You missed the point. Cars, knives are tools, same with any blunt object you can imagine. And lots of other pointy things too. And if YOU USE them as such you are charged as such.

But guns are only weapons. They serve no other function but to kill. Thats it. And to kill easily, from a distance, and in many cases to kill multiple times quickly.

BTW, as a rule, carrying a sword, which is also designed to be a weapon, except under certain ceremonies, is generally prohibited.

Basically the only way to use a gun properly, is to either train to, or actually kill something. Thats it. And that is the distinction.
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Ahhhh. So sport shooting is just a ruse? And no, carrying a sword is not at all prohibited. If I live a block away from my martial arts class and me and my sword walk there I've broken zero rules or laws. Crossbows and Bow and Arrows can easily do just as much damage as guns or more but there is no call to prohibit them. Smart people know what the government are doing and why they are doing it. If the Jews in Germany had guns would they have boarded the trains? :unsure:
 
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Butler1000 said:
See above, your argument is wrong, logically. And btw we demand driver testing, a trial period to get to levels of licensing, it can be revoked for simple misuse, taken away for age, mental and physical acuity. We demand insurance for misuse, police regularly monitor usage, including random stops, and we have a enough traffic laws in place, to curtail lots of problems.

Design does matter. As someone who knows hunters they will be the first to say that if you need more than two shots you shouldn't be out there. Are you that bad a shot you need a semi auto to compensate for your shitty assed aim?
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See, your argument is wrong, logically, because you're clearly ignorant about the levels of restriction and monitoring that licensed gun owners are subject to.

I'll make the car analogy fit the gun analogy better: imagine if ingintion interlocks (breathalyzers) became mandated equipment on vehicles. Imagine if we had mandated, reduced capacity fuel tanks, akin to reduced magazine capacity. Imagine if you were required to own an attached garage to qualify for private vehicle ownership and you were required, by law, to install aftermarket secondary and tertiary security features to prevent theft, akin to safe storage. Now imagine if despite all that, if your vehicle was still stolen by a determined criminal, you were still charged for unsafe storage. You'll have a better idea of what gun owners are subjected to, in Canada.

As for magazine capacity, and semi-auto same goes for any authority figure you kowtow to; do cops need 15+ rounds in their pistols and 30+ rounds in their assault...er..."patrol carbines", to compensate for their lack of training and poor aim?
 
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The only purpose for narcotics is for people to "feel good" in the moment and/or forget about problems. Yet, Liberals have been moving towards decriminalization and "harm reduction" with programs like safe injection sites or needle exchange and have no problem passing the buck to the taxpayers.

Yet, when it comes to firearms, the only solution they can come up with, is to ban and "buy back" firearms from responsible licensed owners. They're more than happy to waste a billion or more tax dollars on such a pointless endeavour. Yet whenever I or others have suggested using that money instead for safety measures like subsidizing safe storage or building shooting ranges or training and instruction, the same pro-safe injection site, planned parenthood Liberals suddenly tighten their purse strings.
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Again. Logically bad. Self harm vs harm to others.

When it comes to pot the only crime anyone has ever committed is shoplifting Oreos and Doritoes. As for the rest decriminalization doesn't mean legalization. It means redirect to rehab. Part of the problem is the Charter does not allow the govt to commit people, same for mental illness. So its a Catch-22. But throwing them in jail costs more, and doesn't address the underlying issues.

And honestly some people just can't be saved. You can try, and should. But some just can't be saved.

Guns however, direct violence toward other, in mass proportions.

And as I've said, I have no issue with responsible ownership. But limited to what is needed. And I agree with you. Gun ranges, safety courses, on site storage should absolutely be a thing.
 
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cunning linguist said:
if your vehicle was still stolen by a determined criminal, you were still charged for unsafe storage.
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Vehicles come with inherent security systems to lock, alert owners in case of theft, modems to track their location etc.,
Guns don't.
This is a bad faith apples to oranges comparison.
 
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SaulGoodman777 said:
Ahhhh. So sport shooting is just a ruse? And no, carrying a sword is not at all prohibited. If I live a block away from my martial arts class and me and my sword walk there I've broken zero rules or laws. Crossbows and Bow and Arrows can easily do just as much damage as guns or more but there is no call to prohibit them. Smart people know what the government are doing and why they are doing it. If the Jews in Germany had guns would they have boarded the trains? :unsure:
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bows and arrows are also made to kill living things and nothing else. just like guns....the argument is guns like bow and arrows and crossbows are tools to forage food...efficiently.
 
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Butler1000 said:
Again. Logically bad. Self harm vs harm to others.

When it comes to pot the only crime anyone has ever committed is shoplifting Oreos and Doritoes. As for the rest decriminalization doesn't mean legalization. It means redirect to rehab. Part of the problem is the Charter does not allow the govt to commit people, same for mental illness. So its a Catch-22. But throwing them in jail costs more, and doesn't address the underlying issues.

And honestly some people just can't be saved. You can try, and should. But some just can't be saved.

Guns however, direct violence toward other, in mass proportions.

And as I've said, I have no issue with responsible ownership. But limited to what is needed. And I agree with you. Gun ranges, safety courses, on site storage should absolutely be a thing.
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On site (centralized) storage, just means that criminals have a concentrated, centralized location to steal from. I mean subsidizing private safe purchases.

Who decides "what is needed", the willfully ignorant anti-gunners? That's like having the fox guarding the hen house.
 
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The past six years of rising criminal gun (mis)use, despite Trudeau's initial ban on the licensed, say otherwise.
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That is because of illegal guns.
We should definitely do something about that, but the ban on guns and smuggling of guns to commit crimes are separate issues.
The simple answer to the question if assault weapons should be banned is that, yes, they should be.
 
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The Oracle said:
You still think a female did this heinous act?
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No, it looks like it is a trans woman.
Since you don't think transwomen are women, are you saying this is just another mass shooting by a man?
Also I asked if the gun or the gender identity of the perp was more important. You didn't answer that.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
That is because of illegal guns.
We should definitely do something about that, but the ban on guns and smuggling of guns to commit crimes are separate issues.
The simple answer to the question if assault weapons should be banned is that, yes, they should be.
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So we agree, that illegal guns are the problem. Explain how "buying back" guns from licensed, responsible owners will even begin to address that problem.

We don't buy back vehicles from responsible, licensed drivers or booze back from responsible, social drinkers and pretend it reduces drunk driving.
 
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So we agree, that illegal guns are the problem. Explain how "buying back" guns from licensed, responsible owners will even begin to address that problem.
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Because outlawing assault style weapons will make presence of such weapons in public possession illegal.
That is addressing a different problem, than gun smuggling.
I think doing something about stopping gun smuggling along with assault weapon bans, and domestic confiscation will work to reduce crime.
 
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