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Elon Musk Mad At Thought Of ‘The Odyssey’s Helen Of Troy Being Black, Says Christopher Nolan “Has Lost His Integrity”

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Eyore Muskox has gone even more bonkers. The predominant population during that time of history was not blonde haired and blue eyed.
Greek Queens were not black. Let’s get real here! If Nolan is depicting a classic from history that every teenager is supposed to read in their English studies class or History of western civilization class, Being true to the story is kinda an obligation. Hence Elons comment. And here I thought that the woke trend of substituting classic characters with actors in another ethnicity was over. Guess not. Hope I’m wrong and Helen is a cast with a white actress. !
 

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Greek Queens were not black. Let’s get real here! If Nolan is depicting a classic from history that every teenager is supposed to read in their English studies class or History of western civilization class, Being true to the story is kinda an obligation. Hence Elons comment. And here I thought that the woke trend of substituting classic characters with actors in another ethnicity was over. Guess not. Hope I’m wrong and Helen is a cast with a white actress. !
There is little historical value in racial accuracy for a mythological figure.
People care about or rather should care about Helen of Troy as a character and symbol, not her skin tone.
 

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There is little historical value in racial accuracy for a mythological figure.
People care about or rather should care about Helen of Troy as a character and symbol, not her skin tone.
1, Helen of Troy is historical, not mythological. The story of the odyssey journey is mythological.
2, People create images in their minds through decades of learning and cultural absorption. Having those images challenged is disturbing and ruins entertainment. Like, would you love the James Bond character if the series got a reboot and he was black or Chinese. ?
3, and this not based in racism. This is simply culture and respect to history.
 

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He's gas lighting, only morons can't see past Elon when he talks.
The politicians are gas lighting.
They're all gas lighting to piss the populace off, when you wake up and realize this, it won't bother people.

One example, Susie Wiles, Trumps Chief of Staff said Trump has an alcoholic's personality and she still has the job, she wasn't "fired".
Trump of all people talks about how big he is on loyalty, does it make sense she's still working for him after saying he has an alcoholic's personality, considering that killed his brother and he doesn't drink?
On Policy decision, "Wiles distanced herself from specific actions, including tariffs, mass deportations, and pardons for January 6th rioters. "
Yet she's still working for him.

They're pushing everyone's buttons and it makes great headlines to show that Trump is running a train wreck, it's all calculated.
This has been a completely non sensical thought. I have no idea what you’re trying to say or how it even relates to the Helen of Troy. LOL. It seams you hate Trump but I’m not sure. LOL.
 

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There is little historical value in racial accuracy for a mythological figure.
The Odyssey is a Greek epic. Its written in Greek, and the character Helen is a Greek queen. The Greeks are southern Europeans, not sub-saharan Africans.

Black Panther is a fictional character, set in the fictional country of Wakanda. Should he be played by a white man?
 

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This has been a completely non sensical thought. I have no idea what you’re trying to say or how it even relates to the Helen of Troy. LOL. It seams you hate Trump but I’m not sure. LOL.
Oh , I see. You don’t like Elon. And you don’t like politicians. Ok. You also love to use the term Gaslighting. In my humble opinion, people who use the term Gaslighting usually have very week arguments in attempting to make their points. But I actually stick to my original comment, Your post was non sensical!
 

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1, Helen of Troy is historical, not mythological. The story of the odyssey journey is mythological.
2, People create images in their minds through decades of learning and cultural absorption. Having those images challenged is disturbing and ruins entertainment. Like, would you love the James Bond character if the series got a reboot and he was black or Chinese. ?
3, and this not based in racism. This is simply culture and respect to history.
1. No, Helen of Troy is mythological. It wasn't a real person.
2. Absolutely, I would have no problem with James Bond being played by a black character. I actually wanted Idris Elba to play the role after Daniel Craig. I think he'd be great.
3. Culture has nothing to do with the race of the character.
You do have to realize that Elon has been Nazi posting for a quite a while and this is just another one of his race baiting posts.
 
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Black Panther is a fictional character, set in the fictional country of Wakanda. Should he be played by a white man?
No. Black Panther is a character, created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, in 1966, right at the time of the civil rights movement.
They specifically intended the character to be African American, to defy the racial stereotypes of the era.
Race is therefore thematic and foundational to the character and their motivations in the comics and therefore it cannot be played by a white man, which I don't believe is a constraint with Helen of Troy, who is just a face and not a race.
 

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Race is therefore thematic and foundational to the character and their motivations in the comics and therefore it cannot be played by a white man,
How convenient. And you know Homer's motivation from thousands of years ago?

Create the rules and apply them selectively, as you see fit. Who appointed you to decide what roles must or must not be racially accurate?
 

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How convenient. And you know Homer's motivation from thousands of years ago?
Create the rules and apply them selectively, as you see fit. Who appointed you to decide what roles must or must not be racially accurate?
There is no evidence that race meant anything to Homer. If there is, let me know.
However, Stan Lee created the character of Black Panther with race as a central theme.
So clearly, the rules are not being selectively applied.
 

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There is no evidence that race meant anything to Homer. If there is, let me know.
However, Stan Lee created the character of Black Panther with race as a central theme.
So clearly, the rules are not being selectively applied.
Um, how about daughter of a Greek god and wife of a Greek king is Greek? Look up her history and mythology. This is, pure, CULTURAL appropriation. It's obvious Homer created the character as being racially Greek. That's what he was himself and , descended her from both Greek royalty and the top (Zeus) of the Greek pantheon.

Unless you can give a decent reason, historical text, or other fact based opinion, you are just blowing smoke out yer ass on this one. She was Greek.

Oh and Bond is another one originally written as white. And then Fleming reconned the Character after Connery portrayed him as Scottish.

So if you can find me any Black Scottish Naval Commanders who served to that rank in WW2 then transfered to the British spy services then great. But Bond was in fact based on Fleming himself on many of his personal tastes, his rank, even his golf handicap. As well as several personalities he ran across in his time with the Service. He is a white male.

There is no need to race trade. And you even give the reason why. Just write good characters, like the Black Panther, or Luke Cage, or I would bet numerous characters of African legend that could be brought to life. And they can and will thrive.
 

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There is no need to race trade. And you even give the reason why. Just write good characters, like the Black Panther, or Luke Cage
Yes but you see, he has to inject his politics into everything. Even a 3,000 year old Hellenic epic. He must be a blast at parties.
 
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This discourse is exhausting. Pointless online ragebait around an admittedly iffy minor casting choice. I'd personally rather have casting that is plausibly historically accurate, or "mythologically accurate" given the time and period. It helps with suspension of disbelief and creates a more immersive experience in my opinion. So yeah, I'd prefer a white person who can pass as Greek. Funnily enough, from what I've read there are NO Greek actors in the film :LOL:

Will seeing a Black lady in the film ruin it for me? No. Knowing how Christopher Nolan incorporates women in his films (barely at all), she likely won't have much screen time anyways.

I think the Oscar winning director who brought us countless classic films has earned a little bit of benefit of the doubt. Artistic license is a thing. Musk saying Chris has "lost all integrity" is rich, considering the recent emails exposing him as an Epstein party island fanboy. Muskrat doesn't have an ounce on integrity in his pasty malformed body.
 

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She was Greek.
Anybody can be Greek, including people of African origin, which was also true in Homer's time.
Since Helen's story never defined her by race, any actor can play her.
This would not be cultural appropriation, as credit is still given to Greek mythology.
Similarly, James Bond was originally written as white, but the character is essentially a generic spy, and modern films often diverge from the novels.
Casting choices that break tradition, like a woman as 007, are perfectly valid.
Where race is central to the story, it makes sense to stay true to it, but in other cases, deviating is fine.
 
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