Why are “bj only” rates typically expected to be less than the normal rate?

Daniel74747474

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Noooo Danny. No. I wanna be into it. Let me be into it!
LOL... I'm sure that you are into a BJ fully.

The question was whether the price should be about the content or the time. In my mind, your pricing isn't about the enjoyment of the SP, it's about the time.

The menu may be about the enjoyment factor.
 

AshleyxMaddy

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You seem to have a hard time understanding we pay for a service no different than walking into a store/restaurant and expecting good customer service. Is the waiter or waitress having a bad day or going through a divorce or death? We don't know that. We want a smile and joy since we're probably stressed out too but we're the ones paying for a smile service even if it's faked than attitude.
If an artist says their minimum starting rate is 300/hr for murals, regardless of the mural, and you say “great! I want a tiny flower on my wall that’ll take 7.2 minutes including the time to dry off”. Do you think they’re willingly going to offer you a lower rate to do the flower?

you are widely missing my point and again, personalizing something that’s a generalization. For the umpteenth time my dear, this is not about MY menu or services
 
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AshleyxMaddy

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LOL... I'm sure that you are into a BJ fully.

The question was whether the price should be about the content or the time. In my mind, your pricing isn't about the enjoyment of the SP, it's about the time.

The menu may be about the enjoyment factor.
Yes agreed, price per time. But then that also brings charging more for specific fetishes into question. Some women offer particularly humiliating things with a higher cost than most typical services. And that’s something anyone finds understandable because in that instance no one question why you’d charge more for something you don’t particularly enjoy doing.
 

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Yes agreed, price per time. But then that also brings charging more for specific fetishes into question. Some women offer particularly humiliating things with a higher cost than most typical services. And that’s something anyone finds understandable because in that instance no one question why you’d charge more for something you don’t particularly enjoy doing.
Yes, that would be expected.
 
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I think it's my 3rd time saying it, but less charge for less service within the same timeframe.

The only way around is like I already said also is just offering HH and H or more and telling folks what's on your menu and they can msg u saying if I paid you for 30mins can you stand in the corner with your clothes on will it be cheaper? I'd say no since my menu clearly states 30mins = $150 and HH = $300.

As for why some ladies offer a package saying BNG 20mins or less $80-100 (or whatever) it's cause they can make money that way since they probably won't gain clients who'll drop $150 for a BJ only.

Would some lady be upset if 3 days in a row the only clients she seen were for BNG and maybe she gets wet from it at times and is now moody she hasn't been fucked? Too bad. Either find a male friend to fuck or tell the client they can do you without a charge. There's options lol.
If a client is paying for HH and deciding to just get a BJ from it, it is the choice of the client, not the SP. Her time costs what it cost, regardless of the activity. Do you get paid less during a slow time than a fast time at work? No, you're paid because you're there and ready to do the job.
 
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The vent basically is why are bjs less when they hurt my mouth/jaw doing them at full timeframes and/or not pleasing me in return. Then those ladies can take it off their menu, but they probably make extra change for offering it. When I'm saying take it off your menu even though it's not on your menu it's a generalization when I meant to really say then those ladies can take it off their menu not you. Apologize for that confusion.
I agree they should take it off their menus or charge more. It’s setting a bad precedent for me personally that they charge so little already. Ladies everywhere- start charging more for BNGs! No more lockjaw for lowpay! Let’s unionize!
 

Daniel74747474

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I agree they should take it off their menus or charge more. It’s setting a bad precedent for me personally that they charge so little already. Ladies everywhere- start charging more for BNGs! No more lockjaw for lowpay! Let’s unionize!
The BNG market is too lucrative for anyone to give it up. It's a matter of communication and expectations being set properly, IMO.
 

AshleyxMaddy

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I think it's my 3rd time saying it, but less charge for less service within the same timeframe.

The only way around is like I already said also is just offering HH and H or more and telling folks what's on your menu and they can msg u saying if I paid you for 30mins can you stand in the corner with your clothes on will it be cheaper? I'd say no since my menu clearly states 30mins = $150 and HH = $300.

As for why some ladies offer a package saying BNG 20mins or less $80-100 (or whatever) it's cause they can make money that way since they probably won't gain clients who'll drop $150 for a BJ only.

Would some lady be upset if 3 days in a row the only clients she seen were for BNG and maybe she gets wet from it at times and is now moody she hasn't been fucked? Too bad. Either find a male friend to fuck or tell the client they can do you without a charge. There's options lol.
The clients “doing without the charge” is irrelevant in my case though because I do charge for my time and include what I’m comfortable including, that’s all known upfront. So technically FOR ME that is already the case. I just mean for most women, why do they see it as something thats worth charging less for, unless for them it’s all about getting people in and out. But I wouldn’t be super interested in hearing for those SPs anyways because the aren’t focused on their service and likely don’t care how people see the quality of their service as long as they can maintain a high volume of calls
 

AshleyxMaddy

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The BNG market is too lucrative for anyone to give it up. It's a matter of communication and expectations being set properly, IMO.
Yea was just being a silly billy! I do not have the pull to organize a revolution anyways. Hookers are stubborn
 

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Yes agreed, price per time. But then that also brings charging more for specific fetishes into question. Some women offer particularly humiliating things with a higher cost than most typical services. And that’s something anyone finds understandable because in that instance no one question why you’d charge more for something you don’t particularly enjoy doing.
By this logic (and I think it is sound), there is a sense of "I charge more for specialized or higher-effort services" it may just be that for some providers, a bj-only session is a lower-effort service.
The boundaries are already clear, you have less prep to do, etc.

It seems pretty clear that for you this would be a terrible idea, though, because for you it would be a higher-effort service.
 
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By this logic (and I think it is sound), there is a sense of "I charge more for specialized or higher-effort services" it may just be that for some providers, a bj-only session is a lower-effort service.
The boundaries are already clear, you have less prep to do, etc.

It seems pretty clear that for you this would be a terrible idea, though, because for you it would be a higher-effort service.
Yea I guess so. I guess I was just wondering if other SPs share my viewpoint around it yet just follow the industry standard of charging less for them regardless of what they feel on it.

I have met a number of SPs that have told me they’d rather not offer most of the services they do but they offer them because they worry that they wouldn’t be able to sustain their business without them. So I guess I kinda lumped the “cheap bng” in with that in my mind. I found early on though that doing anything I’m not comfortable with only leads to frustration and burnout and then I don’t like working and don’t treat my clients in the same way. Which also makes me wonder if that mentality of going outside of comfort to sustain your business is what’s leading to some subpar SPs. Just feeling burnt out and exhausted and always the satisfy-er never the satisfied
 
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By this logic (and I think it is sound), there is a sense of "I charge more for specialized or higher-effort services" it may just be that for some providers, a bj-only session is a lower-effort service.
The boundaries are already clear, you have less prep to do, etc.

It seems pretty clear that for you this would be a terrible idea, though, because for you it would be a higher-effort service.
Also maybe effort is the wrong word because unless you’re star fishing there is effort in Fs. I guess it’s more like your ROI, but the I is the effort and the R is pleasure
 

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Yea I guess so. I guess I was just wondering if other SPs share my viewpoint around it yet just follow the industry standard of charging less for them regardless of what they feel on it.
I'm sure it is possible.
Market pressures are what they are.

But honestly, I haven't seen many people offer it at all.

Those who do, mostly offer it at lower, but the vast majority have a straight time rate and that's it.

(Social time is the same, the majority don't seem to offer it.)

I have met a number of SPs that have told me they’d rather not offer most of the services they do but they offer them because they worry that they wouldn’t be able to sustain their business without them. So I guess I kinda lumped the “cheap bng” in with that in my mind. I found early on though that doing anything I’m not comfortable with only leads to frustration and burnout and then I don’t like working and don’t treat my clients in the same way. Which also makes me wonder if that mentality of going outside of comfort to sustain your business is what’s leading to some subpar SPs. Just feeling burnt out and exhausted and always the satisfy-er never the satisfied
I am pretty sure that it does exactly that.
There are guys on this board who have been around long enough to speak more thoroughly about the shift from CBJ to BBBJ that happened at one point.
That sounds a lot to me like the kind of market pressure for a service many people didn't want to give becoming standard to stay viable.

I don't think greek ever became that - a lot offer, but often as extra and lots still don't.

I think the having to constantly provide more than you are able to actually manage is an obvious potential source of burnout.
 

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yea if i were her i would not do something that i dont enjoy especially if i work for myself.
I wasn't suggesting she should. It was a point about how sometimes what is being done as part of the job may not be the most enjoyable time. As Ashley stated as an example, giving head for 20-30 minutes isn't necessarily the most enjoyable time for her, but it just is endured.
 

AshleyxMaddy

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I think the having to constantly provide more than you are able to actually manage is an obvious potential source of burnout.
it’s unfortunate. As an SP who prioritizes the quality of my time over the quantity of services I offer, people often have mixed opinions on my rates, believing since they can get a higher quantity of services for the same rate elsewhere it’s more worth it. And I get that, more bang for your buck right? But I also hear from a multitude of people that with that mindset you have a higher likelihood of seeing a girl who isn’t happy to be there and isn’t going to give you a good quality of service, even if it’s a kinkier one or cheaper one, than the girl who maybe includes a bit less but continues to enjoy her choice in “career” for lack of a better term
 
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I'm sure it is possible.
Market pressures are what they are.

But honestly, I haven't seen many people offer it at all.

Those who do, mostly offer it at lower, but the vast majority have a straight time rate and that's it.

(Social time is the same, the majority don't seem to offer it.)



I am pretty sure that it does exactly that.
There are guys on this board who have been around long enough to speak more thoroughly about the shift from CBJ to BBBJ that happened at one point.
That sounds a lot to me like the kind of market pressure for a service many people didn't want to give becoming standard to stay viable.

I don't think greek ever became that - a lot offer, but often as extra and lots still don't.

I think the having to constantly provide more than you are able to actually manage is an obvious potential source of burnout.
and I’d have to assume that if every SP only stuck to what they enjoyed, there would still be an SP out there for every gent, and a client base for every SP. Because everyone has different wants and needs when it comes to sex and intimacy.
 
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