Why are “bj only” rates typically expected to be less than the normal rate?

I want everyone’s opinions on this. Clients and SPs weigh in for me

Now, I’m not dense I do understand the general concept behind “less being provided” should equal less paid. However, I don’t agree that only a bj is actually less provided. Allow me to explain. And I also want to preface this by stating this isn’t about the people asking for bj only because they know they’ll likely be in and out in 5min or less. This is specifically about the gentleman who request a lengthy 20-30min session of it.

Anyone who has given head to either man or woman can agree that it does take a certain amount of jaw power and can get tiring and somewhat painful after a bit, right? So there’s that.
Also, I don’t know many real people who genuinely orgasm from giving oral. It can be a turn on and pleasurable in its own way to be pleasing who you’re with. But in a general sense it doesn’t feel as good to give head as it does to be having sex. I think that’s something else we can all agree on.

So my thought on it is, if someone is putting in more effort with a targeted area of their body, and not receiving the enjoyment they would with the full service, why expect them to charge less? Is there an assumption that SPs don’t want to do full service and would rather discount a bj only session to avoid it? If so, where did that start?

I would rather be enjoying myself and potentially getting to orgasm with full service so the concept of spending the same amount of time putting in more effort for less enjoyment and a lower payment rate just doesn’t make sense to me at all.

Do any other SPs feel similarly? Am I just cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs? Let’s discuss

Ηρακλής said:

Don't really care as it's not something I ask for also it's your choice to provide it or not as its your services. it's are choice if we choose to see the provider or not

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Oh yea it’s totally every individual providers choice. It just seems to be an industry standard that its less

billsmafia said:

We're paying for your time. If you want to offer a 15/20 minute session, that's your choice.

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Yea, that’s not really on topic though. Offering a 15/20min rate is different than being asked if you have a “bj only rate”. Which is typically expected to be less than any other rate for the same amount of time.
Im not complaining, i set what i do based on my comfort level. So it’s not an “issue”. Im just curious as to why it seems to be an industry wide standard that a “bj only rate” within the same time frame is generally expected by clients to be a lower rate.

comeagain said:

Typically a BNG is 15/20mins or less. Average guys probably don't even last 5mins. If you have some clients getting close to 15-20mins then finishing off it's still within the timeframe. If you don't like that then reduce the time limit for your clients and let them know it's now 10mins or less BNG. If you're unhappy you aren't getting off during a BJ cause you want something too then too bad? Or ask the client to do something without a cost attached to it? Maybe he's just in the mood for a BJ and nothing more.

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I’m not complaining about my rates and services love, I offer what I do based on my comfort. A bng is a non factor for me in my business. Regardless of whether I offer it or not though, it is still a commonly received question. And generally speaking many clients expect it to be a lower rate vs. the same amount of time when including full service. So my question is, why is it so commonly expected that only a bj would come with a lower cost attached.
Let’s not play ignorant and pretend it’s only about time - it’s not like you’re out here happy to donate to a woman to sit and chat and do arts and crafts for half an hour

comeagain said:

Why is it less? Cause it's a BJ only rate nothing more. Some ladies might allow a bit of kissing during the BJ or they are topless. They might let the client touch their tits or suck them. Most probably just offer a topless BJ so it's less for the same timeframe hence why clients pay less.

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So, if the roles were reversed, and YOU were charging for time based on services offered, would you charge less for a service that brings you 0 pleasure than you do for one that does bring you pleasure?

Daniel74747474 said:

It's your time that is being paid for, no matter what is being done, so if someone wants a 30 minute BJ, they are paying a HH rate. I want to masturbate an SP while I play with her. She isn't doing anything to me, so that is my choice. The definition, in this case, of "work" is not the same thing as "effort". The SP is providing a service and is technically "working" for the time period.

In the case of a specific BNG rate, it's different because the SP realizes their risk that the guy takes 20-30 mins to complete, knowing that on average, they are out much sooner.

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So I guess ultimately my view point maybe comes from preferring to enjoy an appointment vs some preferring the likely faster session of a bng, from an SPs perspective.
From a clients perspective is it maybe something some prefer because some providers are rushers anyways? So it’s almost less risk for both in that sense?

Daniel74747474 said:

There is a difference, as well, between the SP making a decision to give less than was offered or the client getting exactly what they want.

If you have been told DKF, DATY, BBBJ for $300 and you only get a HJ, then your point of less service in the time period should be less money, because it's not what was agreed upon.

But if the client knows the SP has more to offer but only takes one thing off the menu, is it the fault of the SP?

Go to Mandarin, only eat the dessert, then tell them you didn't eat the rest of the buffet so you should only pay $10 instead of $40.

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Oh yes completely! If it is my decision as an SP to revoke services from a specific person, it isn’t fair to charge them the same rate as others or likely continue to see them in general. I’ve only been in that situation due to poor hygiene though and that’s typically resolved by a quick shower.

comeagain said:

If you're looking for enjoyment and feel a BNG isn't pleasing you jus the client then take it off the menu if you're making enough funds without it being offered. I've paid $40-50 BNG where after I chose to last under 5mins and she let me do a bit of finger play on her through her pants. Is she upset afterwards I made her wet and left but I got to orgasm? Shrugs.

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Hunny I never said it’s on my menu. You seem very focused on me offering it if I don’t want to. This post isn’t about my services specifically. It’s a generalization

comeagain said:

If you're looking for enjoyment and feel a BNG isn't pleasing you jus the client then take it off the menu if you're making enough funds without it being offered. I've paid $40-50 BNG where after I chose to last under 5mins and she let me do a bit of finger play on her through her pants. Is she upset afterwards I made her wet and left but I got to orgasm? Shrugs. She could also have asked for me to do more on her then without an cost attached to it if I wasn't in the mood for HH or H. Or what about guys who book for HH or more and they don't do any DATY or DIGITS. I'm sure not all clients please women back well like others. Sucks, but that's the nature of the business you're in.

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Daniel74747474 said:

I think the clients perspective of a BNG is less price because they know they'll blow quickly and view the rest of the time as a waste. (Happy for others to tell me differently.)

From the SP perspective, I think it's a bonus if the session is enjoyable for the SP. Unfortunately, there will be times when it's more mechanical for any number of reasons. That is part of the job, really. No?

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Uhm idk. I think the only real mechanical experiences I’ve had are very nervous people. Or when someone comes in for the first few minutes expecting it to be like that. I’ve noticed that generally speaking a clients attitude towards me is going to reflect how I’m treating them when they walk in. Generally speaking they’re following my lead in an unspoken way. So yes. If I’m mechanical or rushing or sour or course they will be as well

AshleyxMaddy said:

Uhm idk. I think the only real mechanical experiences I’ve had are very nervous people. Or when someone comes in for the first few minutes expecting it to be like that. I’ve noticed that generally speaking a clients attitude towards me is going to reflect how I’m treating them when they walk in. Generally speaking they’re following my lead in an unspoken way. So yes. If I’m mechanical or rushing or sour or course they will be as well

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Sorry @comeagain i didn’t mean tj quote you here. But in response to what you’ve been saying my dear, I think you’re jumping to assumptions about the type of time I already offer. Which I won’t go into because this is not an advertisement. So I can understand you saying “well you’d have me in and out in 10min anyways so why not pay less for just a bj in 10min”. But I’m not rushing people out in 10min who have paid for a hh regardless of what services they want. So to me, if we’re spending a hh together anyways, of course I’d want fuck and possibly get off and have more fun with you. If I have to be on my knees killing my neck and jaw the whole time tho that’s no fun and yea if this it would make sense to charge more for that

Ηρακλής said:

Why would I offer services that don't give me any pleasures? That's why I have my menu no I put what I like and I put what I dont like if the roles we're reversed

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SEEEE THATS WHERE IM CONFUSED! Because most women aren’t having as much fun giving a bj than they could be with full service (if they actually get into it)! So why are they like..yea makes so much sense to charge less for doing something I’m enjoying less

Daniel74747474 said:

The menu isn't there to serve the SP, it's to serve the client's needs. The more varied the menu, the more opportunities to get a client. The menu is what the SP is willing to do, even though they may not enjoy it.

I have good friends that are cam models who don't really enjoy deepthroating a dildo, but they do it anyways because it's what is on offer and is being asked.



Yes, my point was that enjoyment of the SP is generally bonus. You are doing it to make money first, enjoy it second. Even though i understand you enjoy sex and want to enjoy it with the client, that it happens or not is not a function of money paid.

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But the vast majority of men will complain if they see a girl who doesn’t seem like she’s enjoying what she’s doing. So that’s an oxymoron. It’s not about our pleasure at all, yet offence is taken if we aren’t at the very least feigning pleasure

comeagain said:

If you got a menu offering 20-30mins BJ only then take it off the menu and just charge for HH. If the client tells u ahead of time or when they show up they only want a 30mins BJ then they're basically paying you for a 30mins FS so your cost is covered. You getting pleased back when clients pay for a service is unnecessary but a bonus like mentioned.

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Yea I’m not expecting my clients to come and focus on getting me off (unless that’s what they’re into). And as stated, this isn’t at all about what is on my menu. I’m very happy with the menu I offer - which is why I have it.

Daniel74747474 said:

oh, i 100% agree with you there... i didn't say to not at least act into it lol

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Noooo Danny. No. I wanna be into it. Let me be into it!