Another ICE shooting in Minneapolis today

boobtoucher

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Was he legally allowed to carry?
No, it is illegal to carry a weapon without your permit and your ID on you.

Was he breaking any laws by carrying?
Yes, it is illegal to carry a weapon without your permit and your ID on you.

These are both straw man arguments. You said "he did everything right", if you take a loaded weapon to a peaceful protest you are NOT doing everything right. This is pretty cut and dry. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.

"And let's be real. Not carrying your permit is a $25 fine"

So he did not do "everything right", glad we cleared that up.
Man, do like the briefest google.


Subd. 1b.Display of permit; penalty.

(a) The holder of a permit to carry must have the permit card and a driver's license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document upon lawful demand by a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1. A violation of this paragraph is a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25. Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this paragraph is not subject to forfeiture.

(b) A citation issued for violating paragraph (a) must be dismissed if the person demonstrates, in court or in the office of the arresting officer, that the person was authorized to carry the pistol at the time of the alleged violation.

(c) Upon the request of a peace officer, a permit holder must write a sample signature in the officer's presence to aid in verifying the person's identity.

(d) Upon the request of a peace officer, a permit holder shall disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm.
Did the ICE officers ask to see his papers permit? So THEY broke the law.
Did they write him a citation for not having his permit? So THEY broke the law.
Did they give him an opportunity to bring his permit to court, or to the arresting officer's office? So THEY broke the law.
Did they ask him if he was carrying a gun? So THEY broke the law.

And let's go one step further: If you are caught in minesota WITH a gun, but WITHOUT a permit a firearm carried in violation of this paragraph is not subject to forfeiture. Meaning that BY LAW, they can't confiscate your unpermitted weapon... So THEY broke the law.

So either you support Criminals, or the ICE agents should be executed for breaking the law. Take your pick.

MAGATs trying to appeal to common sense gun control was not on my 2026 bingo card, but here we are.
 

Daniel74747474

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You mean all those folks who carry their guns every day of their entire lives? How many of those folks were showing up to protests against law enforcement?
Meanwhile Alex, whose family says he never carried, suddenly decided to take his gun with him to protest federal LOEs.

Yeah, totally the same thing.
No, I am referring to the many protests to which they dress in camo, put on their ammo pouch vest, and sling their semi-auto rifles on. I don't think they walk around in everyday life in this manner. Or if they do, they need some help.

Still, unless he pointed it at someone, he isn't an active threat.
 
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No, I am referring to the many protests to which they dress in camo, put on their ammo pouch vest, and sling their semi-auto rifles on. I don't think they walk around in everyday life in this manner. Or if they do, they need some help.

Still, unless he pointed it at someone, he isn't an active threat.
Are you talking about ICE?

Why should anyone obey someone who claims to be immigration when they won't show ID to prove it?
 

Daniel74747474

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Bringing guns sure covers 2nd ammendment...what it doesn't cover is confronting Law Enforcement. Have you tried confronting any law enforcement doing their job? you should try it on one traffic stop and report back how it went.
Have you seen the videos of the people that get stopped for a traffic stop, roll down their window a crack, and claim to not be subject to police rule. And I have seem them say they have a gun in the car. They didn't get shot.
 

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No, I am referring to the many protests to which they dress in camo, put on their ammo pouch vest, and sling their semi-auto rifles on. I don't think they walk around in everyday life in this manner. Or if they do, they need some help.

Still, unless he pointed it at someone, he isn't an active threat.
You seem to forget the democrats created this high tension atmosphere in Minnesota...also didn't help that these protesters are following ICE...why do they need to do that? these are deputized federal agents. you also forget that violence can occur at any moment...tell that to the National Guards who were shot a few months back. It's quite comforting to be sitting here in Canada trying to micro analyze what's going on in Minnesota. these "peaceful protesters" vandalize hotels...for what? housing ICE? why target hotels who employs residents.
 

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Are you talking about ICE?

Why should anyone obey someone who claims to be immigration when they won't show ID to prove it?
No, I'm not talking about ICE. Although, I think some of these guys that show up at peaceful protests armed to the teeth are probably serving in the ranks of ICE.

Google "MAGA brings guns to peaceful protests" and you'll see what I'm referring to.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Show me the part: Give me a screen shot, give me a link and a timestamp.

He backs away. He hugs a woman. ICE pulls him to the ground. His hands get put behind his back, he gets executed.

Do you hear the words "you are under arrest"

You can't resist something you're not under.
So for starters, word is he was interfering with ICE officers a few minutes before they pulled up in their SUV, so ICE tried to detain him.
When LE tells you to comply, you need to put up your hands, or if you're on the ground you need to spread eagle.
If you go to around the 0:16 mark you can see he's on his hands and knees trying to get up.
What he should be doing is lie down spread eagle, and not resist


This is the proper way to do it

 

Daniel74747474

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You seem to forget the democrats created this high tension atmosphere in Minnesota...also didn't help that these protesters are following ICE...why do they need to do that? these are deputized federal agents. you also forget that violence can occur at any moment...tell that to the National Guards who were shot a few months back. It's quite comforting to be sitting here in Canada trying to micro analyze what's going on in Minnesota. these "peaceful protesters" vandalize hotels...for what? housing ICE? why target hotels who employs residents.
Yes, it's a powder keg type of situation, no doubt about that. And you are right that everyone plays a part in creating the heightened atmosphere. Everyone, from both sides of the spectrum have been cranking up this atmosphere. However, those with the guns should be trained well enough to know when it is appropriate to use deadly force. I would hope we could agree on that.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Bringing guns sure covers 2nd ammendment...what it doesn't cover is confronting Law Enforcement. Have you tried confronting any law enforcement doing their job? you should try it on one traffic stop and report back how it went
They just dont seem to get it
 
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richaceg

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Yes, it's a powder keg type of situation, no doubt about that. And you are right that everyone plays a part in creating the heightened atmosphere. Everyone, from both sides of the spectrum have been cranking up this atmosphere. However, those with the guns should be trained well enough to know when it is appropriate to use deadly force. I would hope we could agree on that.
Like I said. There has to be an investigation. on both Good and Pretti shooting. I'm not the one going on here calling it Murder calling ICE Nazi...I also didn't call Good and Pretti domestic terrorists...what I stated was all this could be avoided with less contact with Law Enforcement. There seems to be an expose on some rogue Minnesota leadership ranks that are organizing these mobs following ICE...if Walz is implicated or not is still also being investigated.
Kash Patel needs to answer some questions.
 

boobtoucher

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So for starters, word is he was interfering with ICE officers a few minutes before they pulled up in their SUV, so ICE tried to detain him.
When LE tells you to comply, you need to put up your hands, or if you're on the ground you need to spread eagle.
If you go to around the 0:16 mark you can see he's on his hands and knees trying to get up.
What he should be doing is lie down spread eagle, and not resist


This is the proper way to do it

Who's word? Do you have any evidence? Why didn't they arrest him then when he was interfering?

When LE tells you to comply, you need to put up your hands, or if you're on the ground you need to spread eagle.
You are telling on yourself here Phil. "Arrest me harder daddy. Are you going to do a cavity search? Who knows what I might be hiding"

He had his hands up. And you say he was "trying to get up". How do you know he wasn't trying to spread eagle? You're basically admitting that he was trying to comply.

At what point in the 4 seconds between ICE pushing that woman for no reason (that is not an arrest technique by any stretch), and Pretti getting exectuted did an ICE officer say "YOU ARE UNDER ARREST, COMPLY".

He was not given any instruction to comply. He was tackled and executed.
 
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