He was resisting arrest as ICE officers were trying to detain him.
Dont resist LE and you wont get hurt
Another ICE shooting in Minneapolis today
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Dont resist LE and you wont get hurt
Show me the part where he was resisting? The Ice folks tackle him, hold his hands behind his back, and shoot him. THEY initiate contact. Can you show me where he is resisting?
Beyond that, what statute is he breaking, and what is the maximum punishment for that?
It's hard to resolve that someone who went to a "peaceful protest" with two clips of ammunition and a gun, whose own family note he rarely carries despite his permit (the carrying of which is illegal if you don't have ID and the permit on your person), did "everything right".
Can you explain how you reached this statement in light of the above?
MAGA are such easy marks.Here's the "Nazi" sent to Minnesota...
You really think this guy will investigate fraud?
The dems would have turfed him after the bags of cash.
trump gave him a promotion.
Get hurt, yes, I would agree there is a risk of getting hurt. Getting shot multiple times? Sorry, no.
Even if I were to stipulate that he was resisting, which I don't fully agree with, but even if the ICE guys were getting that impression, they had 6 guys there. We have seen many, many times where police are up against the very same thing and manage to subdue the person.
No, you can't blame the victim for the overreaction on the part of the people who shot him. They had the numbers, they had control of the situation. Deadly force was not warranted.
FBI is investigating the fraud...Holman will do what he does best...remove illegals...
You're just lazy doing your research....he's not there to investigate fraud...I don't just post misinformation i get from tweets franky.
This argument of him bringing a gun to a protest holds no water. Until he unholsters his weapon and points it at someone, he is not threatening anyone.
Google "MAGA bringing guns to protest" and see the many, many, many examples of how these folks showed up with semi-automatic rifles and many ammo clips. How many of them were shot by police? None.
Was he legally allowed to carry?
Was he breaking any laws by carrying?
What actions did you see on the video that would suggest he was there to be anything but peaceful?
If you were going to do violence with a gun, and you came into an encounter with the people you were there to be violent against, would you:
1: Engage them at close range
2: Put your hands up and step away from them
3: turn your back on them to help someone else
4: lay on the ground without fighting back in any way
There are more guns in America than people. Carrying a gun is not a crime, and is not an indication of being prepared to do violence. It's just a fact of life that people carry in public.
And let's be real. Not carrying your permit is a $25 fine. It's less of a crime than rolling a stop sign.
Also: do you know how we could have found out his intent? By not executing him while he was unarmed and pinned down by 3 guys.
Finally: Should Kyle Rittenhouse have been killed by Law Enforcement? He crossed state lines to bring a gun to a protest. A far more severe crime.
Following the fascist playbook: He's clearly air-humping that woman. That is a sex crime. He's a sexual predator. He deserved to be shot.
Which is why I want to see the bodycam video.
I think the ICE officers got spooked, and maybe thought he was trying to draw a gun.
I don't think the ICE officers who were struggling with him realized that that another ICE officer had already removed Pretti's gun.
If the bodycam video shows that the victim made absolutely no motion towards his pocket to reach for his gun, then I will admit it could be a bad shooting
He was most definitely resisting arrest.
Go watch the video again
Show me the part: Give me a screen shot, give me a link and a timestamp.
He backs away. He hugs a woman. ICE pulls him to the ground. His hands get put behind his back, he gets executed.
Do you hear the words "you are under arrest"
You can't resist something you're not under.
Phil From The Future:
"You can clearly see that as the ICE agent is pulling his hand back, it goes near his empty holster. The man standing 3' away is now justified in executing him"
Was he legally allowed to carry?
No, it is illegal to carry a weapon without your permit and your ID on you.
Was he breaking any laws by carrying?
Yes, it is illegal to carry a weapon without your permit and your ID on you.
These are both straw man arguments. You said "he did everything right", if you take a loaded weapon to a peaceful protest you are NOT doing everything right. This is pretty cut and dry. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.
"And let's be real. Not carrying your permit is a $25 fine"
So he did not do "everything right", glad we cleared that up.
You mean all those folks who carry their guns every day of their entire lives? How many of those folks were showing up to protests against law enforcement?
Meanwhile Alex, whose family says he never carried, suddenly decided to take his gun with him to protest federal LOEs.
Yeah, totally the same thing.
Trump said it was fraud, now its not fraud.
First its ok to carry licensed guns, now you think that's worth a death sentence.
Protesting is ok at the freedom convoy and J6, but not against ICE.
The twists and turns to keep track of what you support is hilarious.
All for a Filipino who wants a white supremacist police state.
You what's really funny?
Under trump, the Philipines now have a better reputation than trump's america.
Bringing guns sure covers 2nd ammendment...what it doesn't cover is confronting Law Enforcement. Have you tried confronting any law enforcement doing their job? you should try it on one traffic stop and report back how it went.
