R.I.P. to the Canadian Auto Industry

hamermill

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Finally it’s about freaking time.


This subsidizing should have happened decades and billions of dollars ago.

Rest in peace. Hopefully Canadian taxpayers won’t be paying/ subsidizing the $100 an hour high school educated auto workers any more to fasten a bolt.
 

Frankfooter

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Finally it’s about freaking time.


This subsidizing should have happened decades and billions of dollars ago.

Rest in peace. Hopefully Canadian taxpayers won’t be paying/ subsidizing the $100 an hour high school educated auto workers any more to fasten a bolt.
You have to be a little bit shitty to be happy that good paying jobs are disappearing.
Chinese EV's kick ass, but that's more about how shitty american designed cars are now and how the oil$gas industry killed EV's in North America.
Canada is one of the few countries globally where EV sales went down.
 
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Chinese EV's kick ass, but that's more about how shitty american designed cars are now and how the oil$gas industry killed EV's in North America.
Do you want to protect Canadian jobs, or do you want to fight climate change? I'm sure you'll say both, but thats in your make believe progressive world. In thr real world, there are tradeoffs. Like this one.
 

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An economy based on Canadian taxpayer funded foreign branch plants is precarious. Ontario was lucky that this arrangement lasted for as long as it did.
Canada needs its own factories and reliance on America or China to construct factories here is a rabbit hole.
The Canadian entrepreneurial spirit of the past in now a unicorn.
 
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nottyboi

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The best plan would be to make deals with BYD to open a plant here for lower tariffs.
win win
the credit plan helps that. If BYD builds here, they accrue creits which allowed them to import a proportional number of cars tariff free That is available to any automaker.
 
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nottyboi

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An economy based on Canadian taxpayer funded foreign branch plants is precarious. Ontario was lucky that this arrangement lasted for as long as it did.
Canada needs its own factories and reliance on America or China to construct factories here is a rabbit hole.
The Canadian entrepreneurial spirit of the past in now a unicorn.
There is the Arrow 2 project to build a Canadian EV. IMHO if they don't partner with a Chinese company they will not be able to compete.
 

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There was never a Canadian auto industry and never was. We just had massive government subsidies to the US to give some Canadians jobs. Now they pulled the rug out and didn't fulfill their obligations so we are in damage mode. What do you expect Carney to do ? We are already suing US automakers foe hundreds of millions. They will never get paid just like the softwood lumber scam. I have always been for diversification and really don't see the US as being much better than China at this point, plus dipshit don isn't even offering a deal at this point. What a fucking tool
 
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JohnLarue

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There was never a Canadian auto industry and never was. We just had massive government subsidies to the US to give some Canadians jobs. Now they pulled the rug out and didn't fulfill their obligations so we are in damage mode. What do you expect Carney to do ? We are already suing US automakers foe hundreds of millions. They will never get paid just like the softwood lumber scam. I have always been for diversification and really don't see the US as being much better than China at this point, plus dipshit don isn't even offering a deal at this point. What a fucking tool

What do you expect Carney to do ? he should have stopped Trudeau from throwing the taxpayer money at the automakers
Carney was the idiot kings economic advisor
 
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nottyboi

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What do you expect Carney to do ? he should have stopped Trudeau from throwing the taxpayer money at the automakers
Carney was the idiot kings economic advisor
Did you expect a trade war with the USA to this degree? I don't remember you saying anything. A lot of these investments were made in a CUSMA context. Now that is blown to hell you can't really expect automakers to not change their plans. BUT we should ask for the money back or put them on a payment plan based on a payback for each car they sell here.
 

nottyboi

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There was never a Canadian auto industry and never was. We just had massive government subsidies to the US to give some Canadians jobs. Now they pulled the rug out and didn't fulfill their obligations so we are in damage mode. What do you expect Carney to do ? We are already suing US automakers foe hundreds of millions. They will never get paid just like the softwood lumber scam. I have always been for diversification and really don't see the US as being much better than China at this point, plus dipshit don isn't even offering a deal at this point. What a fucking tool
Show me a car industry that is not subsidized please.
 

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The best plan would be to make deals with BYD to open a plant here for lower tariffs.
win win
This is so improbable as to be an impossibility.

Mainland China already has an excess vehicle assembly plant capacity for mainland auto sales consumption in the tens of millions of vehicles. We're talking of an excess capacity of 20 plus millions vehicles a year in China looking for homes around the world.

To open and operate a plant in Canada, the Chinese manufacturers would need access not to the Canadian market, but the American market and that is just not going to happen.

Now if some idiot Canadian and/or Ontario government is going to give China land/facility/infrastructure/employees for free and build the plant for them the at-no-cost-to-the Chinese-manufacturer vehicles will still not have enough buyers in Canada.
 
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This is so improbable as to be an impossibility.

Mainland China already has an excess vehicle assembly plant capacity for mainland auto sales numbering in the tens of millions of vehicles. We're talking in excess capacity of 20 plus millions vehicles a year in China looking for homes around the world.

To open and operate a plant in Canada, the Chinese manufacturers would need access not to the Canadian market, but the American market and that is just not going to happen.

Now if some idiot Canadian and/or Ontario government is going to give China land/facility/infrastructure/employees for free and build the plant for them the at-no-cost-to-the Chinese-manufacturer vehicles will still not have enough buyers in Canada.
Its not so outrageous, just make it more like the Canadian branch plants where one part is made, or batteries installed.
 
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JohnLarue

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Did you expect a trade war with the USA to this degree? I don't remember you saying anything. A lot of these investments were made in a CUSMA context. Now that is blown to hell you can't really expect automakers to not change their plans. BUT we should ask for the money back or put them on a payment plan based on a payback for each car they sell here.
no
just do not hand out tax payer money for corporate welfare to begin with
that way we do not need sue or wait on some brain dead, never going to work instalment plan to repay taxpayer money that never should have been extracted from the taxpayer in the first place.

the auto makers screwed Canadian taxpayers because the damn fool liberals think governance is just a matter of spending ever increasing sums of other peoples money.

to make matters worse they are borrowing unsustainably so we pay interest on money that will never be recovered

this way beyond stupid

but you will continue to support the destructive liberals no matter how much damage they do
 

nottyboi

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just do not hand out tax payer money for corporate welfare to begin with
that way we do not need sue or wait on some brain dead, never going to work instalment plan to repay taxpayer money that never should have been extracted from the taxpayer in the first place.

the auto makers screwed Canadian taxpayers because the damn fool liberals think governance is just a matter of spending ever increasing sums of other peoples money.

to make matters worse they are borrowing unsustainably so we pay interest on money that will never be recovered

this way beyond stupid

but you will continue to support the destructive liberals no matter how much damage they do
Didn't you accept corporate welfare during Covid. Every nation does it, so we either do it or opt out. Show me one nation that does not subsidize auto makers and has a significant auto sector.
 

richaceg

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Its not so outrageous, just make it more like the Canadian branch plants where one part is made, or batteries installed.
what you're really saying is you hate the US so much you're willing to bend your ass over for Xi...than make deals with Trump. Geographically...US would still be the better partner than China. whether you like it or not.
 
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