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Are you ladies seeing fewer Private Messages on Twitter?

One of the things they did that hurts Johns is to only allow Private Messages if the sender is verified.

I am fine with screening once I am certain that I want to see someone, but not when I am fishing.

I met two great ladies fishing on Twitter, but I could not do that now.

I would see a lady following a favorite escort who had a provocative Twitter, and I would Private Message her and ask if she escorts, then take the discussion to more specific services once email addresses were exchanged. Usually they were escorts with multiple handles and were following the favorite escort under another handle, but it was still fun.

So the Twitter restrictions have changed things for lots of people.
 
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Are you ladies seeing fewer Private Messages on Twitter?

One of the things they did that hurts Johns is to only allow Private Messages if the sender is verified.

I am fine with screening once I am certain that I want to see someone, but not when I am fishing.

I met two great ladies fishing on Twitter, but I could not do that now.

I would see a lady following a favorite escort who had a provocative Twitter, and I would Private Message her and ask if she escorts, then take the discussion to more specific services once email
Thwere exchanged. Usually they were escorts with multiple handles and were following the favorite escort under another handle, but it was still fun.

So the Twitter restrictions have changed things for lots of people.
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See that's another thing that I found really annoying about X. I don't feel like it was the right place to exchange with clients. I got a lot of random messages and in the past few months I started getting DM's from guys who didn't understand that I'm an escort and just found me randomly, because the algorithm became really weird. A lot of clients talked me in DM's on X because it's convenient, but you can't discuss any details at all. On Bluesky you can, tho. On here too, but I feel like Bluesky is generally more user friendly.
 
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Giselle Montreal said:
Well, we shouldn't discuss details on socials, not even on those boards. I have a Protonmail account and wish more clients would use it.

As for the DMs on Twitter, mine always have been closed for the people I don't follow, and I don't follow clients. So, never received lots of private messages there.
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When you say details shouldn't be discussed, do you mean that acronyms should not be listed?
 
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But this is what I am saying is contributing to the problem. When you keep creating new accounts, clients think that you will continue to post on X. If you have both an X and a Bluesky account, most clients are going to just follow you on X because they are more familiar with the platform/use it already. Just pick one or have your twitter account link to your Bluesky account.
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It will be a matter of time before bluesky starts clamping down on sw accts once there is this new influx of them on there. One way to keep track if followed to re add once accts get suspended is to log follower handles somehow. Take screen shots. Keep an ongoing spreadsheet that’s updated weekly with new followers. It will be tedious but at least they won’t be lost to you. Or just keep track of favourite regular handles and not each and every follower. It isn’t perfect but at least it’s something in the meantime until a better alternative is available.
 
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Daddy2021 said:
It will be a matter of time before bluesky starts clamping down on sw accts once there is this new influx of them on there. One way to keep track if followed to re add once accts get suspended is to log follower handles somehow. Take screen shots. Keep an ongoing spreadsheet that’s updated weekly with new followers. It will be tedious but at least they won’t be lost to you. Or just keep track of favourite regular handles and not each and every follower. It isn’t perfect but at least it’s something in the meantime until a better alternative is available.
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The problem is that would require an option to mass add everyone on your previous follow list. Since some girls have 1000s of followers it wouldn't be possible.
 
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Daddy2021 said:
It will be a matter of time before bluesky starts clamping down on sw accts once there is this new influx of them on there. One way to keep track if followed to re add once accts get suspended is to log follower handles somehow. Take screen shots. Keep an ongoing spreadsheet that’s updated weekly with new followers. It will be tedious but at least they won’t be lost to you. Or just keep track of favourite regular handles and not each and every follower. It isn’t perfect but at least it’s something in the meantime until a better alternative is available.
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Bluesky won't be suspending SW accounts.
 
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The problem is that would require an option to mass add everyone on your previous follow list. Since some girls have 1000s of followers it wouldn't be possible.
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That’s why I suggested at least their preferred regulars to start. It’s something.
 
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Daddy2021 said:
At this time sure. But shit happens. Popularity, increase traffic can do funny things to social platforms of any kind. Twitter/X used to be cool too at some point.
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Unless Elon takes over Bluesky, I doubt it.
 
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You know this how? Never say never…it’s best to expect it eventually and be prepared for it should it happen.
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It is a classic case study of what happens when a government passes an overly broad likely Unconstitutional law.

No, I am not talking about Canada’s c-36.

The U.S. passed the Fosta/Sesta legislation that when read on its face makes it illegal to facilitate even the discussion of prostitution and asserts that U.S. jurisdiction extends outside the U.S. in this area. The legal scholars who wrote about it were in disbelief.

For a short period of time after its passage, even conferences about sex work were cancelled in the U.S., and of course TER made itself inaccessible in the U.S.

Then suddenly everything became okay again, including U.S. access to TER. But there was never an explanation of why. Presumably, the U.S. Department of Justice gave some form of assurance that the worst-case interpretations were not valid, but it was never published for the masses to read. Right after Fosta/Sesta passed, the U.S. ads started to sound like you were paying for a cuddling session, and most every new escort website was hosted in Europe. Over time, the explicit acronyms returned and many new U.S. escort ads began being hosted in the U.S.

But the law hasn’t gone away and it can always be used as a threat. Amazingly, Seeking never left the U.S. in terms of hosting its website. They recently started requiring a lot more data from users regarding their identity. Was it related to the Matt Gaetz publicity alleging that his primary Sugar Baby was under 18? If so was it because of concerns about the exploitation of minors, or because they got a visit from the U.S. Department of Justice (or a call to their attorneys) strongly suggesting reforms?

We can all declare Bluesky to be heroes, but the truth is that if it becomes a huge Hooker/John exchange marketplace, the executives have to take it upon themselves to reduce their legal exposure by doing restrictions, and it is very possible that such a reduction occurs as a result of threats by federal law enforcement.

And at the end of the day, Canada isn’t that much different. C-36 is an absolute monster were it ever to be enforced exactly as written. These types of laws let nameless, faceless people in government decide what will or will not be tolerated. Many companies like Facebook never allowed U.S. sex workers to even remotely advertise, although for some reason it allowed sex workers in Colombia to blatantly network.

No one can figure this stuff out. BlueSky will likely be fantastic for sex workers and Johns, until it isn’t. And when it isn’t, it will likely be the U.S. Government telling them to make this activity less visible.
 
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It is a classic case study of what happens when a government passes an overly broad likely Unconstitutional law.

No, I am not talking about Canada’s c-36.

The U.S. passed the Fosta/Sesta legislation that when read on its face makes it illegal to facilitate even the discussion of prostitution and asserts that U.S. jurisdiction extends outside the U.S. in this area. The legal scholars who wrote about it were in disbelief.

For a short period of time after its passage, even conferences about sex work were cancelled in the U.S., and of course TER made itself inaccessible in the U.S.

Then suddenly everything became okay again, including U.S. access to TER. But there was never an explanation of why. Presumably, the U.S. Department of Justice gave some form of assurance that the worst-case interpretations were not valid, but it was never published for the masses to read. Right after Fosta/Sesta passed, the U.S. ads started to sound like you were paying for a cuddling session, and most every new escort website was hosted in Europe. Over time, the explicit acronyms returned and many new U.S. escort ads began being hosted in the U.S.

But the law hasn’t gone away and it can always be used as a threat. Amazingly, Seeking never left the U.S. in terms of hosting its website. They recently started requiring a lot more data from users regarding their identity. Was it related to the Matt Gaetz publicity alleging that his primary Sugar Baby was under 18? If so was it because of concerns about the exploitation of minors, or because they got a visit from the U.S. Department of Justice (or a call to their attorneys) strongly suggesting reforms?

We can all declare Bluesky to be heroes, but the truth is that if it becomes a huge Hooker/John exchange marketplace, the executives have to take it upon themselves to reduce their legal exposure by doing restrictions, and it is very possible that such a reduction occurs as a result of threats by federal law enforcement.

And at the end of the day, Canada isn’t that much different. C-36 is an absolute monster were it ever to be enforced exactly as written. These types of laws let nameless, faceless people in government decide what will or will not be tolerated. Many companies like Facebook never allowed U.S. sex workers to even remotely advertise, although for some reason it allowed sex workers in Colombia to blatantly network.

No one can figure this stuff out. BlueSky will likely be fantastic for sex workers and Johns, until it isn’t. And when it isn’t, it will likely be the U.S. Government telling them to make this activity less visible.
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Ya that’s what I have been saying. Once bluesky gets saturated for sex work we will hear about restrictions and suspended accts. Is how the game goes.
 
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Ya that’s what I have been saying. Once bluesky gets saturated for sex work we will hear about restrictions and suspended accts. Is how the game goes.
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Yes, you said it better and in a less wordy manner than I did, I was just pointing out that there is real liability to the owners and managers of a platform in the U.S. (and in Canada if a platform migrated there and if Canada chooses to enforce c-36 against it) if they allow sex work to be advertised and promoted. And there is little for the platform to gain from allowing it.

Really the same with banking. There are a ton of objective and subjective reports that are required to be filed when a customer comes in and constantly deposits cash, especially rolls of $100 bills, and big fines from regulators if they aren’t filed, even the subjective ones that two people could reasonably disagree about whether it should be filed. So a bank has to decide if that customer is worth the risk, especially since the people with the most cash pay the fewest fees and need loans the least. Some bank accounts of the most honest sex workers who deposit their cash and pay taxes on every dime are the ones that get closed by the bank.

When sex workers mention these things people talk about moralism, but they are really just business decisions driven by governments who over regulate and love imposing penalties and fines.
 
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X is more like a porn site now. Still seeing providers info and practically every kind of sex act possible
 
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Yes, that’s basically the only solution.

But it feels like BlueSky has a user interface that no one really feels at home with. If the majority of people are already on X for other reasons, they won’t go to BlueSky. Until they think it’s some premier destination for escorts, which, it’s not and it won’t be. Maybe for a few months, before the original problem with Twitter/X arises.

The ad sites are where people should be going, first and foremost. People pay a lot of money to use them. And they are reliable.

Accounts on social media are more for updates, etc.
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THIS - X and Bsky should be only used for updates - clients should be finding us on ad sites primarily. It’s what we spend our money on for you to find us.
Bsky is better than X for now but no one knows what will happen later - most ladies are done with X, if I were a client, I would be making the switch to Bsky to support us there. X is not okay anymore. It’s so tedious to keep making account after account on X.
 
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When you say details shouldn't be discussed, do you mean that acronyms should not be listed?
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I mean that every platform you use for free, people behind it can read anything you write on it. And nothing you say is really deleted from their server ; when "X" changed their private messages system in the last weeks, I had a conversation from 2016 pop up in my list of private conversations. Of course, this discussion was deleted many years ago.

Unless, it's says it's end-to-end encrypted, the information you write can be accessible by anyone.
 
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Giselle Montreal said:
I mean that every platform you use for free, people behind it can read anything you write on it. And nothing you say is really deleted from their server ; when "X" changed their private messages system in the last weeks, I had a conversation from 2016 pop up in my list of private conversations. Of course, this discussion was deleted many years ago.

Unless, it's says it's end-to-end encrypted, the information you write can be accessible by anyone.
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Oh yeah for sure. I thought you meant here on this forum. I don't understand why some clients still think it's ok to discuss these details on social media..
 
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