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Fighting_Amish

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I went last summer and the summer before to play in WSOP events. Now there are WSOP events in Toronto and other cities, as well as easily accessible poker rooms (although the house rake for cash games here is too much).
Vegas has always been garish but yeah the prices are insane. And the notion of charging resort fees piss me off.
Ah yes, the "Resort Fee". You get a room at Caesar's for $59 a night, which sounds great. Then there is a $45 a night resort fee for crappy WIFI, a towel to use at the pool, and I don't know what else.
 
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Lol! Classy I don't know but it is a whole vibe! The Bellagios fountaines, the show girls, the weird touchy guy with a white snake, the copter adventure in the grand canyon, the looping coaster with no security belt, how it vibrates day and night and how quick the hotel doorman call a cab for that girl naked under her see-through dress.There is more wild life on the sidewalk than in Australia's back country!! kherg! Get out of your bush, lets go on an adventure!😉
Maybe you can show me the error of my ways frenchie! Shed the oilskins and drop the daks and were off fair dinkum!
But then again you're such a fun one I'm sure you could make a trip to Grimsby a hoot and a half lol.
 
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Couple of major reasons why and its just not the cost.

1 - Culture change. Millennials and Gen Z aren't into gambling as much as their predecessors. Alcohol culture is also dying.

2 - The Vegas patron has become more and more retarded. From degenerate corporate funded stooges to shallow women, every one visiting there just becomes a special kind of stupid.

3 - Fun people are priced out. In Vegas the more you spend the more access to fun and convenience you have.

4 - Hype loss. The coolness and allure of Vegas is a sinking ship Back in the day, Vegas used to be the place to party and let loose. Now, your in a cramped (cess)pool with 400 other fucked up dudes.
Highly disagree with that - the proliferation of gambling sites (Fanduel, Draft Kings etc.) has made gambling from your phone or CPU the substitute for Vegas/AC junket trips - teens and 20 somethings have access to gambling in a way I never had growing up. I play quite a bit of tournament poker (I"ll be at the Playground Poker Club for the WSOP-Circuit main event, won a seat) and have gotten comfortable enough with online poker that I barely need the poker room at the Mirage anymore.
 
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Ah yes, the "Resort Fee". You get a room at Caesar's for $59 a night, which sounds great. Then there is a $45 a night resort fee for crappy WIFI, a towel to use at the pool, and I don't know what else.
It’s so fucking cheesy. You book the room and they charge you a fee to use the amenities.
Seems they fucking charge resort fees at all places with an attached casino.
I stayed at woodbine casino hotel and THEY charge a 19.00 resort fee…but there’s no real resort to speak of. There’s a shitty little pool that wasn’t even open ( at least the pools at nicer hotels in Vegas are huge and nice….Caesars is pretty cool)

Shit of the bull!
 

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It’s so fucking cheesy. You book the room and they charge you a fee to use the amenities.
Seems they fucking charge resort fees at all places with an attached casino.
I stayed at woodbine casino hotel and THEY charge a 19.00 resort fee…but there’s no real resort to speak of. There’s a shitty little pool that wasn’t even open ( at least the pools at nicer hotels in Vegas are huge and nice….Caesars is pretty cool)

Shit of the bull!
they learned how to nickel and dime from banks
 

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Ah yes, the "Resort Fee". You get a room at Caesar's for $59 a night, which sounds great. Then there is a $45 a night resort fee for crappy WIFI, a towel to use at the pool, and I don't know what else.
Resort fees are pretty much the norm at many tourist resorts.
Every hotel in Hawaii charges a resort fee.
 

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Highly disagree with that - the proliferation of gambling sites (Fanduel, Draft Kings etc.) has made gambling from your phone or CPU the substitute for Vegas/AC junket trips - teens and 20 somethings have access to gambling in a way I never had growing up. I play quite a bit of tournament poker (I"ll be at the Playground Poker Club for the WSOP-Circuit main event, won a seat) and have gotten comfortable enough with online poker that I barely need the poker room at the Mirage anymore.
And the friendly neighbourhood poker game which I intend to attend for the first time since pre-Covid. I wont be ordering more baked ziti if I lose the cash I start with.

 

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Lol! Classy I don't know but it is a whole vibe! The Bellagios fountaines, the show girls. The weird touchy guy with a white snake, the copter adventure in the grand canyon, the looping coaster with no security belt, how it vibrates day and night and how quick the hotel doorman call a cab for tha girl naked under her seethrough dress.Tthere is more wild life on the sidewalk than in Australia's back country!! kherg! Get out of your bush, lets go on an adventure!😉
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we'll have to settle for Grimsby for the next few years but you wont regret it 🙃

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Don't think Grimsby has the near naked women with leather straps and whips like outside Bellagio.
 

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I stayed at Cesar’s once. Nice place, good amenities, great food. Then on the second day I needed to get some cash from the ATM and the service fee was $30 fucking dollars.

The audacity.

Never went back. It was a little dig but too much of a dig. Left a bad taste in my mouth.
 
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I stayed at Cesar’s once. Nice place, good amenities, great food. Then on the second day I needed to get some cash from the ATM and the service fee was $30 fucking dollars.

The audacity.

Never went back. It was a little dig but too much of a dig. Left a bad taste in my mouth.
The balls!
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I stayed at Cesar’s once. Nice place, good amenities, great food. Then on the second day I needed to get some cash from the ATM and the service fee was $30 fucking dollars.

The audacity.

Never went back. It was a little dig but too much of a dig. Left a bad taste in my mouth
What year was this??
 

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I was getting emails at a highly increased rate from various resorts starting in April. Including places I hadn't stayed at in 2 decades and hadn't reached out in years. I finally had enough. I didn't actually unsub but sent in a message of various feedback options that so long as Trump continued to attempt to harm my nation I would not be spending any money there.

I'm assuming they read them because the emails have stopped. Hopefully this type of feedback gets to Nevada Senators and Congressman via lobbyists.

My feed of Vegas news and YouTubers is showing big drops in business. There is apparently going to be a surge in the fall due to conventions. But once that flows through I think both domestic and foreign visits are going to decline until some serious deals happen.

And unless they drop food and drink prices, bring back 3/2 blackjack on the Strip, lose parking fees outright, and bring back dome comps, they are fucked.
 

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Times change and icons die. There are generational and economic shifts at play.
The entertainers at the shows and their fans are suffering from attrition which is accelerating exponentially..
The Las Vegas model is modelled on the past and the patrons who want this past are dwindling.
Traditional Las Vegas is increasingly now a relic which is not compatible with social media and online entertainment.
 
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Times change and icons die. There are generational and economic shifts at play.
The entertainers at the shows and their fans are suffering from attrition which is accelerating exponentially..
The Las Vegas model is modelled on the past and the patrons who want this past are dwindling.
Traditional Las Vegas is increasingly now a relic which is not compatible with social media and online entertainment.
I actually think Vegas can still fulfill a very successful niche. People enjoy hustle bustle, live events, a feeling of "safe chaos". There was a promise made for travel there. Yes we are the house and the house always wins. But here is cheap good food, a nice place to stay you normally couldn't afford, a chance to see an entertaining show of a favorite star, or a riske show, or Circe or a comedian. We will make you feel important for 3 days or a week.

That's gone now. The private equity bean counters won.

But that also doesn't mean it can't come back. And it wouldn't take much either. Return the buffets, return the better odds, Return the pricing. Red Rick casinos just reported an 8.2% revenue increase. Boyd is set to do the same. It's the strip and Freemont that are committing suicide.
 
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I actually think Vegas can still fulfill a very successful niche. People enjoy hustle bustle, live events, a feeling of "safe chaos". There was a promise made for travel there. Yes we are the house and the house always wins. But here is cheap good food, a nice place to stay you normally couldn't afford, a chance to see an entertaining show of a favorite star, or a riske show, or Circe or a comedian. We will make you feel important for 3 days or a week.

That's gone now. The private equity bean counters won.

But that also doesn't mean it can't come back. And it wouldn't take much either. Return the buffets, return the better odds, Return the pricing. Red Rick casinos just reported an 8.2% revenue increase. Boyd is set to do the same. It's the strip and Freemont that are committing suicide.
No one has talked about how the place is double or triple the overall size that it was 20-30 years ago.

And it has been exponential growth. I think it is likely 25-50 percent larger than a decade ago.

In the U.S., no one stops anything based on rational economic analysis or even common sense. Stops happen when real declines occur. Kind of like a dumb dog who eats until he/she throws up, wags its tail, and eventually overeats again.

The oldest and weakest places will die off and capacity will shrink.

The cure for high prices is high prices, and the cure for low prices is low prices, as they say in the oil industry.

There is more interest in giving the locals more things. The shit places like Circus Circus will get imploded and we may see those places not being replaced by new hotel/casinos but possibly by more entertainment and shopping that would be of interest to locals and tourists. It ain’t going to become a ghost town.
 

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No one has talked about how the place is double or triple the overall size that it was 20-30 years ago.

And it has been exponential growth. I think it is likely 25-50 percent larger than a decade ago.

In the U.S., no one stops anything based on rational economic analysis or even common sense. Stops happen when real declines occur. Kind of like a dumb dog who eats until he/she throws up, wags its tail, and eventually overeats again.

The oldest and weakest places will die off and capacity will shrink.

The cure for high prices is high prices, and the cure for low prices is low prices, as they say in the oil industry.

There is more interest in giving the locals more things. The shit places like Circus Circus will get imploded and we may see those places not being replaced by new hotel/casinos but possibly by more entertainment and shopping that would be of interest to locals and tourists. It ain’t going to become a ghost town.
The implosion/renewal will come at the south end. Excalibur and Luxor are going to be taken down imo.
 
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