Israel is still bombing Iran.
There is no endgame that will not leave Israel a pariah state.
BREAKING NEWS: Israel has just attacked Iran
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There is no endgame that will not leave Israel a pariah state.
I boycott anything made in Israel. fruits and vegies at stores often say product of israel.. i dont buy.. also my gf wanted some face cream at a specialty shop, i wouldnt buy that too. i also notice in north york the local community has protests against palestinians often. I make sure not to support those local shops in the malls that accommodate them. and tim hortons funds israel, so as much as its inconvenient for me, i also boycott tim hortons. facebook owner also supports them.. i closed my account there. netflix also supports it, i closed my ten year old account there too.. im just one guy but i do what i can be it not alot.
It’s the time honored - think globally, act locally strategy that always works. There are many, many people practicing this. More so every day.
im a big spender, and shopper. I go out of my way to talk to the shop that supports them by selling their goods. its a small impact but i am extremely vocal about this issue. I've known several palestinians back in ottawa and i gotta say they have all been peace loving people. i think their old flag was an olive tree, which of course represents peace. It's unfortunate the powerful countries often pick on the passive countries.... palestine, ireland... and some smaller african countries in the past century or two, among others. Irelands flag was a harp, irish culture is not war like, its family and community based with love of life and peace. same as palestine. ireland was occupied for 800 years until 1922, after the ira attacked dublin castle in 1916 did things actually change.. the world powers suck dick. thank goodness the power is shifting.
Long ago? Israel was created in 1948 with the balfour agreement. they didnt exist before then.
The Brits had made an agreement with Palestinians to give them back all of Palestine in exchange for Palestinians fighting in WWII.
They lied and instead handed off half the country to 7% of the population and a foreign colonial movement.
It was stupid then and now all its lead to is war and genocide.
If Gaza will be turned into a Hotel & Golf resort, what is Iran going to be turned into? Hopefully something else otherwise competition will be fierce.
On another note, why don't many of the Muslim nations in the Middle East like Palestinians? That makes it even more difficult to move them elsewhere to achieve peace.
On another note, why don't many of the Muslim nations in the Middle East like Palestinians? That makes it even more difficult to move them elsewhere to achieve peace.
I was talking to a friend mine in Israel. This is what she said. " I agree. We live in a war. 2 years of terror. With crazy govermant, and crazy hammas. We are in shelters
Thank you. You dont know how it is to live like that. Every motor sound gives you heart attak. To run in the middle of the night to the shellter (5 floors down), to live in constant fright. And to worry for our hostages in gaza. Young men that went dansing or kiddnaped from their beds...
This madness must be stopped. There are no winner in another nonsense war. Iranian regime must go as well as Bibi.
Tactics without strategy: How Trump’s weakness and Netanyahu’s self-interest exploded in Iran
Doug Saunders
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U.S. President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a meeting in Washington, where Trump announced nuclear talks on April 7. Until Thursday, Trump had been attempting to negotiate a nuclear peace treaty with Iran.Kevin Mohatt/Reuters
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Until Friday morning, there were two paths toward ending the possibility of Iran’s theocratic regime someday obtaining a nuclear weapon: one based on negotiating skills and incentives, with a track record of success, and the other quick and violent, but sure to strengthen that regime and unleash havoc.
Their sudden collapse into a single, explosive path, through a series of overnight Israeli airstrikes on Iran’s military leaders and facilities, was a toxic combination of Donald Trump’s impatient deal-making incompetence and Benjamin Netanyahu’s political opportunism and absence of strategic vision.
Until Thursday, the U.S. President had been attempting to negotiate a nuclear peace treaty with Iran, similar to the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. Under that treaty, struck between Tehran and the members of the United Nations Security Council and the European Union, Iran abandoned activities that could lead to nuclear-weapons development, under international monitoring and verification, in exchange for economic normalization and an end to major sanctions. That deal had been considered a success until Mr. Trump pulled the United States out of it during his first term of office in 2018, causing it to collapse.
What is the history between Israel and Iran? A timeline of tensions and hostilities
The original JCPOA had taken more than two years to negotiate. Mr. Trump had been negotiating with Iran for just more than eight weeks, starting with high-level talks in Oman on April 12. Following the airstrikes, Iranian authorities announced that Sunday’s round of talks, and any future talks, were cancelled.
The attacks bore the twin hallmarks of Israeli military actions under Mr. Netanyahu’s governments: Tactically brilliant but lacking any strategic vision or end game.
Israel has called for attacks on Iran, and sometimes come to the edge of launching attacks, on dozens of occasions over the past 16 years. It was the same tactic attempted in 2012, after its then chief general Benny Gantz concluded that Iran was unlikely to build a nuclear weapon; Mr. Netanyahu contradicted that assessment, and used his speech to the UN General Assembly to threaten a military attack on Iran. Then-president Barack Obama talked him out of it and launched the JCPOA talks.
On Friday morning, Mr. Netanyahu claimed once again that an Iranian atomic weapon had become a “clear and present danger.” The only longer-term strategy he mentioned was his country’s greatness, and, implicitly, his own political future: “Together, with God’s help, we will ensure Israel’s eternity,” he said in a broadcast address.
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Israel attacked Iran's capital early Friday, with explosions booming across Tehran.Vahid Salemi/The Associated Press
There was, in fact, no looming nuclear-weapons threat from Iran, and no reason for Mr. Trump not to continue talks.
In March, the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Annual Threat Assessment, which summarizes the findings of 18 agencies, assessed that “Iran is not building a nuclear weapon” – a conclusion it has reached in every annual assessment since 2003, when Iran abandoned its nuclear-weapons program. On Friday, U.S. officials told Reuters that there has not been any change in that assessment.
Tehran has increased its enrichment of uranium, which it insists is for civilian energy purposes. This week the International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors Iran’s commitment to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, censured Iran for exceeding its enrichment limits. This is a familiar tactic practised by Tehran during negotiations over the last 20 years: increasing tension over its nuclear program in order to create a sense of urgency.
U.S. distances itself from Israel’s attack, warns Iran not to retailiate
In previous moments of such tension, Mr. Netanyahu has been talked away from the precipice by the United States, on whom Israel depends for aid and support.
This time, Mr. Netanyahu evidently either felt he had Washington’s consent to launch the attacks, or felt that Mr. Trump lacked the resolve to censure him for it.
As late as Thursday, hours before the Israeli attacks, Mr. Trump had presented talks as the better option. “I’d love to avoid a conflict,” he told reporters at the White House. “We are fairly close to a pretty good agreement … I’d much prefer an agreement. As long as I think there is an agreement I don’t want them going in because I think that would blow it.”
They went in, and did indeed blow it.
The outcome may be a stronger political future for Mr. Netanyahu, whose political opponents felt compelled to support his actions on Friday, and for Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, whose regime had been rocked with mass protests and unpopularity in recent years, but now has a common enemy in the Israeli threat.
Mr. Trump is a victim of his own weakness: He has once again broken his 2024 campaign promise to be a peacemaker, and shown the world that he can neither rein in Mr. Netanyahu nor strike a deal with Iran.
Doug Saunders
Published 5 hours agoUpdated 2 hours ago
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U.S. President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a meeting in Washington, where Trump announced nuclear talks on April 7. Until Thursday, Trump had been attempting to negotiate a nuclear peace treaty with Iran.Kevin Mohatt/Reuters
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Until Friday morning, there were two paths toward ending the possibility of Iran’s theocratic regime someday obtaining a nuclear weapon: one based on negotiating skills and incentives, with a track record of success, and the other quick and violent, but sure to strengthen that regime and unleash havoc.
Their sudden collapse into a single, explosive path, through a series of overnight Israeli airstrikes on Iran’s military leaders and facilities, was a toxic combination of Donald Trump’s impatient deal-making incompetence and Benjamin Netanyahu’s political opportunism and absence of strategic vision.
Until Thursday, the U.S. President had been attempting to negotiate a nuclear peace treaty with Iran, similar to the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. Under that treaty, struck between Tehran and the members of the United Nations Security Council and the European Union, Iran abandoned activities that could lead to nuclear-weapons development, under international monitoring and verification, in exchange for economic normalization and an end to major sanctions. That deal had been considered a success until Mr. Trump pulled the United States out of it during his first term of office in 2018, causing it to collapse.
What is the history between Israel and Iran? A timeline of tensions and hostilities
The original JCPOA had taken more than two years to negotiate. Mr. Trump had been negotiating with Iran for just more than eight weeks, starting with high-level talks in Oman on April 12. Following the airstrikes, Iranian authorities announced that Sunday’s round of talks, and any future talks, were cancelled.
The attacks bore the twin hallmarks of Israeli military actions under Mr. Netanyahu’s governments: Tactically brilliant but lacking any strategic vision or end game.
Israel has called for attacks on Iran, and sometimes come to the edge of launching attacks, on dozens of occasions over the past 16 years. It was the same tactic attempted in 2012, after its then chief general Benny Gantz concluded that Iran was unlikely to build a nuclear weapon; Mr. Netanyahu contradicted that assessment, and used his speech to the UN General Assembly to threaten a military attack on Iran. Then-president Barack Obama talked him out of it and launched the JCPOA talks.
On Friday morning, Mr. Netanyahu claimed once again that an Iranian atomic weapon had become a “clear and present danger.” The only longer-term strategy he mentioned was his country’s greatness, and, implicitly, his own political future: “Together, with God’s help, we will ensure Israel’s eternity,” he said in a broadcast address.
Open this photo in gallery:
Israel attacked Iran's capital early Friday, with explosions booming across Tehran.Vahid Salemi/The Associated Press
There was, in fact, no looming nuclear-weapons threat from Iran, and no reason for Mr. Trump not to continue talks.
In March, the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Annual Threat Assessment, which summarizes the findings of 18 agencies, assessed that “Iran is not building a nuclear weapon” – a conclusion it has reached in every annual assessment since 2003, when Iran abandoned its nuclear-weapons program. On Friday, U.S. officials told Reuters that there has not been any change in that assessment.
Tehran has increased its enrichment of uranium, which it insists is for civilian energy purposes. This week the International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors Iran’s commitment to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, censured Iran for exceeding its enrichment limits. This is a familiar tactic practised by Tehran during negotiations over the last 20 years: increasing tension over its nuclear program in order to create a sense of urgency.
U.S. distances itself from Israel’s attack, warns Iran not to retailiate
In previous moments of such tension, Mr. Netanyahu has been talked away from the precipice by the United States, on whom Israel depends for aid and support.
This time, Mr. Netanyahu evidently either felt he had Washington’s consent to launch the attacks, or felt that Mr. Trump lacked the resolve to censure him for it.
As late as Thursday, hours before the Israeli attacks, Mr. Trump had presented talks as the better option. “I’d love to avoid a conflict,” he told reporters at the White House. “We are fairly close to a pretty good agreement … I’d much prefer an agreement. As long as I think there is an agreement I don’t want them going in because I think that would blow it.”
They went in, and did indeed blow it.
The outcome may be a stronger political future for Mr. Netanyahu, whose political opponents felt compelled to support his actions on Friday, and for Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, whose regime had been rocked with mass protests and unpopularity in recent years, but now has a common enemy in the Israeli threat.
Mr. Trump is a victim of his own weakness: He has once again broken his 2024 campaign promise to be a peacemaker, and shown the world that he can neither rein in Mr. Netanyahu nor strike a deal with Iran.
