Do you agree it is the females job to make the signal of interest - then it is your job to move in (or not ) poll

I am so glad I don’t have to date. Women making up stupid rules, changing the rules depending on who, changing them again mid dating. Testing, demands to be a mind reader. Emotional breakdowns.

Fortunately I found a calm, relaxed and no drama lady.

Zoot Allures said:

Certainly! When it comes to female signals of interest, there are several body language cues you can pay attention to. Keep in mind that individual preferences and cultural differences can influence behavior, but here are some common signs that a woman might be interested in you:

1. She faces you with her body: The more a woman’s body faces you, the more attention she’s giving you. If she turns her body away from you, it’s a sign of less interest. For example, if you approach a girl in a bar and she faces you with her body, that’s a positive sign.
2. She looks at you: When a girl stares at you, it means she’s somewhat interested or curious. Whether it’s a discreet glance from across the room or prolonged eye contact, it’s a signal that she’s checking you out.
3. She holds your gaze: If a woman maintains eye contact with you, especially during moments of silence, she’s expecting something. This can be a strong indicator of interest.
4. She keeps her hair out of her face: Subconsciously, women often touch their hair when they’re attracted to someone. If she’s consistently adjusting her hair, it could be a positive sign.
5. She smiles at you: A genuine smile is a clear sign of interest. Pay attention to her facial expressions when you interact.
6. She touches you: Light, casual touches—such as a tap on the arm or shoulder—can indicate attraction. Be aware of how she responds physically during conversation.

Remember that these signals are not foolproof, and context matters. Some women may be more subtle, while others are more overt. Trust your instincts and pay attention to the overall vibe of the interaction.

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The signals are anything but foolproof, you'll need to pay attention to further signals after the initial move
and in my experience the rules can and will change for all kinds of reasons without notice after the initial move.

Good topic.

I find you can express interest by noticing her or compliment her then quickly change to another topic so she does not have to respond to compliment

She may express interest through body language immediatly but usually waits until she gets to know you then she will decide

It is tricky as she may not be interested for several reasons and that is that and you may decide not to be interested in her or it could be the opposite

wlkf1 said:

The signals are anything but foolproof, you'll need to pay attention to further signals after the initial move
and in my experience the rules can and will change for all kinds of reasons without notice after the initial move.

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Yeah. It is often as clear as mud. For example, she could be doing ongoing due diligence behind the scenes.

The assumption seems to be there is code to be broken, Maybe there isn’t. If you find a woman attractive why not find a polite, unobtrusive way to express interest and see where it goes from there. All the rest is just Youtube psychology that is 99% bullshit… like most everything on Youtube.

jazzbox said:

If you find a woman attractive why not find a polite, unobtrusive way to express interest and see where it goes from there.

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It could go to her placing sexual harassment charges against you that's why many men are playing it safe and avoiding that risk.

jazzbox said:

If you find a woman attractive why not find a polite, unobtrusive way to express interest and see where it goes from there.

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I have. It's called cash.

No. A faint heart never won a fair maiden.

Depends…
Who is paying who?

HobbyHorse said:

Depends…
Who is paying who?

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One way or another, you're always paying.

Butler1000 said:

I am so glad I don’t have to date. Women making up stupid rules, changing the rules depending on who, changing them again mid dating. Testing, demands to be a mind reader. Emotional breakdowns.

Fortunately I found a calm, relaxed and no drama lady.

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Which SP is this?
There is no way you found a wife that is not the above mentioned.

Even SP's have rules.

I just shake my head at rules and guidelines. They seem like bullshit to me. If I pause to reflect I think I am more of a chemistry guy. You know by the eyes, the interaction if a woman is interested in you. And I don't think they need a road map to figure out if a guy is interested in them. Across the room or during social interaction - I think it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you are on, the signals are the same.

xix said:

Which SP is this?
There is no way you found a wife that is not the above mentioned.

Even SP's have rules.

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My SO is this. I'm quite happy. She has a few crazy lady things like they all do. But nothing not easily managed.

I think many women have trouble sending signals of interest. It could be for a variety of factors. Many attractive women just come to expect men to express their interest. Sure, they shoot down a ton of men in their prime. Grow a pair. Get over it.

If you meet a women who is confident, outgoing and assertive in that specific environment, yeah she might send a signal. Is it assured she will signal if she is interested? Absolutely not. There's a guy around the next corner who will make a move and another after that.

My experience is that no matter how many times we are told it's different now, men are expected to take the lead. When I'm clear of thought, I always tell myself that. It works. By virtue of this, I've met some attractive and interesting women in unexpected places. Places where the women I met were not at all expecting to meet someone and had no idea until I initiated contact and assertively pursued.

Now of course that makes it sounds simple. It takes communication skills, resiliency and working toward your strengths.

On the flip side of this, when a man makes a move a women will clearly send a signal back.
1) Alright, I'm interested. Let's see where this goes.
2) Okay, I'm not sure. I'm intrigued a bit. Maybe there's something here.
3) I'm not interested.

The results of 1 and 3 are obvious. No. 2 is very dicey in the sex and romance department. It's not necessarily a total time waster. I've had fun with some of these women. Some became friends and I have dated their friends. Expanding your acquaintances and social circle is never a waste of time.

Note: No. 2 could also have a subset 2b. Okay, I'm not sure. I just broke up with my boyfriend. We still hook up once in awhile, but I really need to get out there. These relationships can be fruitless especially if the woman continues to send mixed signals. If the woman uses you for rebound sex or simply an experience and heads back to her BF, take what she has generously given you even if it's not her heart.

WyattEarp said:

I think many women have trouble sending signals of interest. It could be for a variety of factors. Many attractive women just come to expect men to express their interest. Sure, they shoot down a ton of men in their prime. Grow a pair. Get over it.

If you meet a women who is confident, outgoing and assertive in that specific environment, yeah she might send a signal. Is it assured she will signal if she is interested? Absolutely not. There's a guy around the next corner who will make a move and another after that.

My experience is that no matter how many times we are told it's different now, men are expected to take the lead. When I'm clear of thought, I always tell myself that. It works. By virtue of this, I've met some attractive and interesting women in unexpected places. Places where the women I met were not at all expecting to meet someone and had no idea until I initiated contact and assertively pursued.

Now of course that makes it sounds simple. It takes communication skills, resiliency and working toward your strengths.

On the flip side of this, when a man makes a move a women will clearly send a signal back.
1) Alright, I'm interested. Let's see where this goes.
2) Okay, I'm not sure. I'm intrigued a bit. Maybe there's something here.
3) I'm not interested.

The results of 1 and 3 are obvious. No. 2 is very dicey in the sex and romance department. It's not necessarily a total time waster. I've had fun with some of these women. Some became friends and I have dated their friends. Expanding your acquaintances and social circle is never a waste of time.

Note: No. 2 could also have a subset 2b. Okay, I'm not sure. I just broke up with my boyfriend. We still hook up once in awhile, but I really need to get out there. These relationships can be fruitless especially if the woman continues to send mixed signals. If the woman uses you for rebound sex or simply an experience and heads back to her BF, take what she has generously given you even if it's not her heart.

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I think women think the signals they send to men are obvious. Depending on the woman sometimes they are and sometimes not. As men we have to interpret, which is either right or wrong. Add in some women are horrible at conveying interest and some men are horrible at noticing and interpreting. Add some womens behavior are naturally flirty just for fun(which is confusing when they aren't actually interested in you), some women are touchy feely and touch men(which doesn't necessarily mean they are interested in a sexual or dating relationship). Men are in a horrible position now and it's like navigating a mine field. You don't want to be creepy, or aggressive, or to cocky, approach at an inopportune time, they tell you no but want you to continue to pursue as a test, also no means no, then again sometimes it doesn't, etc.. As well the young generation lack the social skill that we naturally developed through real time interactions. How does someone understand in person non verbal and verbal cues when they have lived their entire lives through a phone?

I liked it when women had boundaries and didn't touch or flirt unless they were interested. As well when they behave this way with other men and are not selective about who they do it to it's confusing, does not convey interest in you as the individual since she flirting with the entire group.

Honestly I don't bother. I can have great conversations with women. Unless I find them interesting personality and physically and they are very focused and actively asking things about me I don't give a fuck. I don't chase. It's a waste of my time. Especially for a couple bucks, I can get sex whenever I want and exactly the physical proportions I want through the net.

Oddly enough I was out and about getting shit done and chatting up a woman inline with me. She wasn't anything special just a chick probably in her 40s. She gave me her business card with her private number and asked me to coffee.

I knew she was interested in me by the conversation and her intrigue in what I had to say. I'll go for coffee as I'm retired now with time on my hands, live in an unfamiliar city, and like the attention.

angrymime666 said:

As well the young generation lack the social skill that we naturally developed through real time interactions. How does someone understand in person non verbal and verbal cues when they have lived their entire lives through a phone?

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You have probably seen a lot of young people are resorting to on-line matchmaking sites. The problem there is in the absence of any other personal connection 80% of the women are attracted to 20% of the men. I guess you can call it a harem effect. Great for 20% of the men. It sucks for most everyone else.

angrymime666 said:

Oddly enough I was out and about getting shit done and chatting up a woman inline with me. She wasn't anything special just a chick probably in her 40s. She gave me her business card with her private number and asked me to coffee.

I knew she was interested in me by the conversation and her intrigue in what I had to say. I'll go for coffee as I'm retired now with time on my hands, live in an unfamiliar city, and like the attention.

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Good for you. You might have a new friend. Hopefully, you are attracted to her on some level.

IM469 said:

I just shake my head at rules and guidelines. They seem like bullshit to me. If I pause to reflect I think I am more of a chemistry guy. You know by the eyes, the interaction if a woman is interested in you. And I don't think they need a road map to figure out if a guy is interested in them. Across the room or during social interaction - I think it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you are on, the signals are the same.

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I'm not clear on who you think sends the first signal. Not to be challenging you, but it sounds like you might be saying something to effect that men and women lock eyes on each other at the same time and it happens.

This rarely happens and usually to my most physically attractive friends both men and women.

I agree with your comment about rules and guidelines, but I generally think there is some skill required and it most likely needs to be possessed by the man.

angrymime666 said:

Add some womens behavior are naturally flirty just for fun(which is confusing when they aren't actually interested in you), some women are touchy feely and touch men(which doesn't necessarily mean they are interested in a sexual or dating relationship).

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I once had a very attractive woman who I was joking around with sit in my lap and put her arms around me for more than a few minutes. My colleagues were there. It wasn't a bar, restaurant or strip club. I assure you know tip was at stake.

I thought I have this in the bag. When I asked her out, she wasn't surprised. She just gave the almost pat answer "I'm sorry. I have a boyfriend".

My friends were in complete shock when I told them her response. I was more retrospective. She was simply a hot woman who liked the attention of men.