SCAMMED/RIPPED OFF

I've been scammed a couple of times but by the provider themselves. I have yet, hopefully never, encountered a boyfriend/pimp.

Never been completely scammed but I've had an encounter where after I paid the woman, she vaped a bunch, played on her phone, touched me for a minute and then told me to leave cause I wasn't getting hard. Most awkward shit.

Omg I remember a story of a guy getting scam by a young girl and a pimp in a hotel room. I think it was also written somewhere here on Terb. Best story ever !

Let me research that … I so need to find that story & share …

Update :
I couldn’t find the story , but here’s a lot of stories that deserves a read : https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/scary-moments-for-hobbyists.732235/

I've had some bad experiences years ago while cruising the chat lines on Quest.

Once I went to an incall in Vanier. I handed her the money and she left the bedroom. Next, her boyfriend walked in and told me to leave. I picked up the TV, pulled all cables and cords out of the walls etc, then she yelled that she was calling the cops. So I threw the TV across the room and left.

Another time, I met a girl in South Keys at a condo/garden home. Paid the fee, and we started playing around. Then she said she had no condoms and said "we" should go to Shoppers Drug Mart and get some condoms. When we went to leave, it seemed it was only me going. I go and get some, then surprise surprise, there's nobody home when I return. No answer at the front or rear doors, no lights on, and no answer on the phone. So, I rolled the gas BBQ from the back yard to my truck, loaded it up, and left. I called back and left a message saying "Looks like you'll be flipping burgers at McDonalds now!". She called back and left a message all teary and crying asking why I raped her and she's calling the cops. I never heard a thing out of it.

Waylon said:

I've had some bad experiences years ago while cruising the chat lines on Quest.

Once I went to an outcall in Vanier. I handed her the money and she left the bedroom. Next, her boyfriend walked in and told me to leave. I picked up the TV, pulled all cables and cords out of the walls etc, then she yelled that she was calling the cops. So I threw the TV across the room and left.

Another time, I met a girl in South Keys at a condo/garden home. Paid the fee, and we started playing around. Then she said she had no condoms and said "we" should go to Shoppers Drug Mart and get some condoms. When we went to leave, it seemed it was only me going. I go and get some, then surprise surprise, there's nobody home when I return. No answer at the front or rear doors, no lights on, and no answer on the phone. So, I rolled the gas BBQ from the back yard to my truck, loaded it up, and left. I called back and left a message saying "Looks like you'll be flipping burgers at McDonalds now!". She called back and left a message all teary and crying asking why I raped her and she's calling the cops. I never heard a thing out of it.

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You are my new superhero

Waylon said:

I've had some bad experiences years ago while cruising the chat lines on Quest.

Once I went to an incall in Vanier. I handed her the money and she left the bedroom. Next, her boyfriend walked in and told me to leave. I picked up the TV, pulled all cables and cords out of the walls etc, then she yelled that she was calling the cops. So I threw the TV across the room and left.

Another time, I met a girl in South Keys at a condo/garden home. Paid the fee, and we started playing around. Then she said she had no condoms and said "we" should go to Shoppers Drug Mart and get some condoms. When we went to leave, it seemed it was only me going. I go and get some, then surprise surprise, there's nobody home when I return. No answer at the front or rear doors, no lights on, and no answer on the phone. So, I rolled the gas BBQ from the back yard to my truck, loaded it up, and left. I called back and left a message saying "Looks like you'll be flipping burgers at McDonalds now!". She called back and left a message all teary and crying asking why I raped her and she's calling the cops. I never heard a thing out of it.

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Why not pick up the boyfriend and the women and throw them across the room and get your cash back ?

Waylon said:

I've had some bad experiences years ago while cruising the chat lines on Quest.

Once I went to an incall in Vanier. I handed her the money and she left the bedroom. Next, her boyfriend walked in and told me to leave. I picked up the TV, pulled all cables and cords out of the walls etc, then she yelled that she was calling the cops. So I threw the TV across the room and left.

Another time, I met a girl in South Keys at a condo/garden home. Paid the fee, and we started playing around. Then she said she had no condoms and said "we" should go to Shoppers Drug Mart and get some condoms. When we went to leave, it seemed it was only me going. I go and get some, then surprise surprise, there's nobody home when I return. No answer at the front or rear doors, no lights on, and no answer on the phone. So, I rolled the gas BBQ from the back yard to my truck, loaded it up, and left. I called back and left a message saying "Looks like you'll be flipping burgers at McDonalds now!". She called back and left a message all teary and crying asking why I raped her and she's calling the cops. I never heard a thing out of it.

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Omg i remember Quest. Yeah there were a lot of scammers there for sure. First you got scammed by the service itself then by the lady lol. Ahh fun times lol

Ladyluvr69 said:

Omg i remember Quest. Yeah there were a lot of scammers there for sure. First you got scammed by the service itself then by the lady lol. Ahh fun times lol

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I remember Quest offered a "one time" 30 minute free trial offer from any phone number. They would then give you an access number, and that access number could then be used from any phone. So, I used up all of our phone lines at work, and then would start using corner pay phones. The odd time you would strike a pay phone said "This number already used the free 30 minute offer", so you would look for another pay phone, lol.

Waylon said:

I've had some bad experiences years ago while cruising the chat lines on Quest.

Once I went to an incall in Vanier. I handed her the money and she left the bedroom. Next, her boyfriend walked in and told me to leave. I picked up the TV, pulled all cables and cords out of the walls etc, then she yelled that she was calling the cops. So I threw the TV across the room and left.

Another time, I met a girl in South Keys at a condo/garden home. Paid the fee, and we started playing around. Then she said she had no condoms and said "we" should go to Shoppers Drug Mart and get some condoms. When we went to leave, it seemed it was only me going. I go and get some, then surprise surprise, there's nobody home when I return. No answer at the front or rear doors, no lights on, and no answer on the phone. So, I rolled the gas BBQ from the back yard to my truck, loaded it up, and left. I called back and left a message saying "Looks like you'll be flipping burgers at McDonalds now!". She called back and left a message all teary and crying asking why I raped her and she's calling the cops. I never heard a thing out of it.

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dude.
if you are for real, i want to buy you a beer.
kudos to you for taking a stand.
i have been scammed a few times, and once came close to fighting with that (boyfriend) as he threatened me with a crowbar.
these scumbags need some karma retribution for certain !

Waylon said:

I remember Quest offered a "one time" 30 minute free trial offer from any phone number. They would then give you an access number, and that access number could then be used from any phone. So, I used up all of our phone lines at work, and then would start using corner pay phones. The odd time you would strike a pay phone said "This number already used the free 30 minute offer", so you would look for another pay phone, lol.

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if you want to keep getting that (free 30 minutes) on quest chat - then get a few text now accounts.
in doing so, you will get a new number, and when you call quest, that number will be new (to the system), and you''ll be granted your free 30 minutes
just keep doing that.
mind you, nothing but old ladies on there these days.
i think the younger women don't even know what a phone call or phone chat is.....

bloodless said:

dude.
if you are for real, i want to buy you a beer,
kudos to you for taking a stand.
i have been scammed a few times, and once came close to fighting with that (boyfriend) as he threatened me with a crowbar.
these scumbags need some karma retribution for certain !

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I believe any of us that are active in the hobby can admit that we have been scammed at least once. It's inevitable. I have never been scammed during an outcall, but I have experienced bad service. The scams have always been during an incall. If they're foolish enough to pull a scam on me in their place (home, motel, hotel, etc....) they're gonna at least pay more for what they took me for. When I show up for an incall, I now carry Buck Stop. My fellow outdoorsman hunters know what this is. It's a skunk smelling liquid to mask human scent, and it's strong. So, if an incident happens like what I've read some of our brothers have had happen (an SP taking the donation, then telling the client to leave or else), guess what? That room, their cloths, the bed, everything...is gonna be trashed. And it won't matter if it's their home, or a rented room. And if it is a rented room, then wait until THEY get the bill for the cleaning of the room tacked on their credit card. Or if the TV accidentally got knocked over and smashed. Hey...it was an accident. Take me to court and sue me for the cost of it after it was added to the same credit card for the room. I haven't had to act upon any SPs, or their managers, for any foul services and resort to using these types of retribution, but I'm ready for them.

betaman said:

You are my new superhero

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Waylon said:

I believe any of us that are active in the hobby can admit that we have been scammed at least once. It's inevitable. I have never been scammed during an outcall, but I have experienced bad service. The scams have always been during an incall. If they're foolish enough to pull a scam on me in their place (home, motel, hotel, etc....) they're gonna at least pay more for what they took me for. When I show up for an incall, I now carry Buck Stop. My fellow outdoorsman hunters know what this is. It's a skunk smelling liquid to mask human scent, and it's strong. So, if an incident happens like what I've read some of our brothers have had happen (an SP taking the donation, then telling the client to leave or else), guess what? That room, their cloths, the bed, everything...is gonna be trashed. And it won't matter if it's their home, or a rented room. And if it is a rented room, then wait until THEY get the bill for the cleaning of the room tacked on their credit card. Or if the TV accidentally got knocked over and smashed. Hey...it was an accident. Take me to court and sue me for the cost of it after it was added to the same credit card for the room. I haven't had to act upon any SPs, or their managers, for any foul services and resort to using these types of retribution, but I'm ready for them.

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okay, what's the next level up from superhero??

Waylon said:

I believe any of us that are active in the hobby can admit that we have been scammed at least once. It's inevitable. I have never been scammed during an outcall, but I have experienced bad service. The scams have always been during an incall. If they're foolish enough to pull a scam on me in their place (home, motel, hotel, etc....) they're gonna at least pay more for what they took me for. When I show up for an incall, I now carry Buck Stop. My fellow outdoorsman hunters know what this is. It's a skunk smelling liquid to mask human scent, and it's strong. So, if an incident happens like what I've read some of our brothers have had happen (an SP taking the donation, then telling the client to leave or else), guess what? That room, their cloths, the bed, everything...is gonna be trashed. And it won't matter if it's their home, or a rented room. And if it is a rented room, then wait until THEY get the bill for the cleaning of the room tacked on their credit card. Or if the TV accidentally got knocked over and smashed. Hey...it was an accident. Take me to court and sue me for the cost of it after it was added to the same credit card for the room. I haven't had to act upon any SPs, or their managers, for any foul services and resort to using these types of retribution, but I'm ready for them.

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Previously posted below
https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/how-to-avoid-dangerous-first-time-incalls.842287/

I’ve seen many comments/review/discussions about very concerning and dangerous situations for both hobbyists and SP’s so I’d like to share some of my tips and open the topic up for discussion for both hobbyists and SP’s to ensure incalls become safer for all. All these tips are regarding first time incalls with new women (SP/Civilian) you’ve never met before. It’s better to be abit over cautious on the first time but it’s unecessary to use all these tips once you are familiar with each other and meet regularly.

All my bad experiences have been during incalls with new SP’s I’ve never met before and didn’t do enough research on (checking reviews, double checking ad for signs of red flags, etc.) because my second brain downstairs took over. I’m lucky because I‘ve never been in a dangerous situation but I’ve heard enough stories about people getting set up to get robbed, etc. so I’m always extra careful when meeting up with new women (civilian, SP’s, etc.) anywhere and I never meet civilians at their/my home until several dates in. Street smarts and trusting your gut are key. Here are a few tips I’ve learned myself or picked up over the years from others that I highly recommend to help ensure a safe link up especially for the first time meeting.

1. Use a burner number if the SP allows/is comfortable with it (apps like textnow, etc. are good), be upfront about it because they can easily know if you are using such apps and if they’re not comfortable with it you can make the decision to give your personal number (or if you’re really paranoid a secondary phone)
2. Take the exact amount you previously negotiated and add another 50-100 just in case you are surprised by something you didn’t clearly communicate being extra. Never take your credit/debit cards, ID, anything with your name and address on it, etc. All you should be taking is the donation (+ 50-100), your keys (if you drove there) and your phone (make sure you have some kind of passcode). You shouldn’t need anything else unless previously agreed upon and it can be super awkward forgetting personal items like keys/wallet/etc. (I forgot my work key card once and was lucky that it was at a regular’s incall who found it quickly and I wasn’t too far away)
3. Do your best to arrive about 5-10 minutes earlier.
   1. HOUSE- If it’s a house drive by and see if there is more than one car in the driveway (one car is likely to be hers, multiple cars is a strong yellow/orange flag). What’s the vibe of the neighbourhood? Are there shady looking individuals lurking? Where‘s a safe place to park nearby the house, close enough to see the house, windows, front door, etc. but far enough where it’s not obvious which car belongs to you or how you got there, especially if you have a nicer car. Always reverse park or parallel park with enough space to pull out quickly (in case you get caught in a sticky situation). After finding a good spot to park, usually a few houses down on the side of the street or a nearby parking lot, see if you notice anything out of the ordinary. If you notice a guy leaving the house it could be a prior client, in which case you know the SP doesn’t likely space out appointments well and hygiene could be an issue. If you notice a car pull in the driveway or park in front that’s a massive red flag, unless it’s only her (she may look like she’s in a rush because she tried to squeeze in a last minute errand, or previously told you she may be running a bit late), if the windows aren’t tinted make sure you can see every seat in the car is empty (doubt anyone is dedicated enough to hide in the trunk unless you foolishly bragged that you’re super rich/famous). If anyone besides you or her arrives at the house (male or female) within 10 minutes of the appointment leave, it’s not worth the gamble.
      1. When the time comes and she confirms you can come, when walking towards the house take in your surroundings, does anything seem odd/concerning if so keep walking by the house and act like you aren’t going to that house until you’re sure (2 mins max). If you think it’s safe you can easily walk back to the house and explain you got the house numbers mixed up since you aren’t familiar with the area. If something seems off or your gut is trying to tell you something always listen to it, TRUST YOUR GUT. Once at the house don’t knock immediately, wait for a few seconds while looking at your phone (don’t make it super obvious but make it seem like you’re on your phone) and listen for anything that sounds off (male voices, multiple different footsteps, etc.) before knocking or texting/calling to let her know you’re at the door.
         
         
      2. When she greets you at the door be a gentlemen, polite and friendly but try to notice if she seems scared/super nervous/rude/dismissive/paranoid, etc. by watching her body language and simple things like if she excessively avoids looking at your face, keeps looking around, etc. remember to trust your gut.
         
         
      3. Make sure she locks the door behind you, if not ask if she forgot, if she insists it’s not an issue it is definitely an issue, excuse yourself and leave immediately.
      4. Once inside take a quick mental note of the layout (especially to know how to leave if anything goes wrong, where the stairs are, alternate entrances/exits, etc.) look to see if there are different sized shoes/slippers and its definitely a red flag if they are male shoes/slippers. If not, ask if you can use the restroom to wash your hands after first introductions and a little bit of friendly chatting (avoid discussing explicit things immediately, keep it friendly and professional until you feel comfortable).
      5. It’s always best and usually required to take a brief shower upon arrival but before taking off your clothes check behind the shower curtain for any surprise guests, and look around briefly (don’t go snooping just scan the room) for other signs of men living there like male robes/slippers/grooming tools/beard balm, etc. (male body wash/shampoo/conditioner is normal because many SP’s are aware most guys don’t want to leave smelling feminine for various reasons, male razors are also normal because many frugal women know that male razor’s are cheaper and get the job done)
         
         
      6. If you already took a shower prior to arriving and she is okay with you not taking another shower upon arrival, wash your hands, take some deep breaths if you need, and keep your clothes on. The last thing you want to happen is leaving the bathroom with no clothes on and being greeted by either a camera (unless previously agreed to) or an unfriendly group of males/females (don‘t underestimate women). Imagine how much harder it will be having to defend yourself or escape with no clothes on (a slight risk you will have to take if you are required to shower upon arrival but I’ve never personally had an issue with it.)
         
         
      7. After leaving the bathroom, start some friendly chat to get the overall vibe of the other. If you still feel comfortable then hand over the donation or if previously instructed to leave it in the bathroom/table with/without an unmarked envelope. I’ve never had an SP demand the donation right after I walked in the door but ymmv. Do not hold on to the donation for a super long time, but avoid giving it right away unless previously agreed just in case the red flags and air raid sirens start blaring for you to leave (2-5 minutes max from the time you enter the door, usually after leaving the rest room and chatting for a bit)
      8. Don’t drink/eat anything that you didn’t see opened/unsealed in front of you and kept a constant eye on.
   2. HOTEL/CONDO- Tends to be slightly safer than a house due to security/neighbours/tons of cameras, etc. but there are a few tips identical/similar to visiting a house that you should consider taking. I usually don’t mind parking in the parking lots/underground parking etc. but if there’s other free parking nearby like a fast food restaurant, plaza, etc. it can be an added precaution.
      1. You don’t need to arrive 10 mins early but still arrive a few minutes early to find parking without stressing about being late (has happened to me too many times and can be a major mood killer). If it’s paid parking you better pay up (if possible with cash/coins) because the last thing you want is to leave a session to find your car’s been towed or some bs ticket. Lock your car and keep anything valuable out of clear view. Don‘t leave laptop bags/luggage/phones/money/etc. out in the open or on seats, it only takes a few seconds to put them under the seat/in the glove compartment/in the trunk out of sight, etc.
      2. Before leaving your car let her know you’ve parked and get detailed instructions on how to get to the room. Do you need a buzz code, upon entering which direction are the elevators (do you need a key card/code), which floor is it, who should you say you’re meeting if you’re stopped and asked (never happened to me but have been provided a few times with a name/names to tell if asked
      3. Once you find the room, similar to the house situation described above, briefly listen for anything that seems off while looking at your phone before knocking, if anything seems off walk away, (male voices, multiple different footsteps, etc.) remember to TRUST YOUR GUT.
      4. When she greets you at the door be a gentlemen, polite and friendly but try to notice if she seems scared/super nervous/rude/dismissive/paranoid, etc. by watching her body language and simple things like if she avoids looking at your face, keeps looking around, etc. remember to trust your gut.
      5. Make sure she locks the door behind you, if not ask if she forgot, if she insists it’s not an issue it is definitely an issue, excuse yourself and leave immediately.
      6. Once inside take a quick mental note of the layout, look to see if there are different sized shoes/slippers and its definitely a red flag if they are male shoes/slippers. If not, ask if you can use the restroom to wash your hands after first introductions and a little bit of friendly chatting (avoid discussing explicit things immediately, keep it friendly and professional until you feel comfortable).
      7. It’s always best and usually required to take a brief shower upon arrival but before taking off your clothes check behind the shower curtain for any surprise guests, and look around briefly (don’t go snooping just scan the room) for other signs of men living there like male robes/slippers/grooming tools/beard balm, etc. (male body wash/shampoo/conditioner is normal because many SP’s are aware most guys don’t want to leave smelling feminine for various reasons, male razors are also normal because many frugal women know that male razor’s are cheaper and get the job done)
      8. Wash your hands, take some deep breaths if you need, and keep your clothes on. The last thing you want to happen is leaving the bathroom with no clothes on and being greeted by either a camera (blackmail) or an unfriendly group of males/females (don‘t underestimate women). Imagine how much harder it will be having to defend yourself or escape with no clothes on.
      9. After leaving the bathroom, start some friendly chat to get the overall vibe of the other. If you still feel comfortable then hand over the donation or if previously instructed to leave it in the bathroom/table with/without an unmarked envelope. I’ve never had an SP demand the donation right after I walked in the door but ymmv. Do not hold on to the donation for a super long time, but avoid giving it right away unless previously agreed just in case the red flags and air raid sirens start blaring for you to leave (2-5 minutes max from the time you enter the door, usually after leaving the rest room and chatting for a bit)
      10. Don’t drink/eat anything that you didn’t see opened/unsealed in front of you and kept a constant eye on.

Nowadays I tend to prefer outcalls for the first session (even though they cost a little more), especially when visiting different cities (I tend to splurge on nicer hotels). If she allows you to send an Uber that‘s preferable, if she requires a small deposit it’s better to lose that than get robbed for everything on you (Should always do research/look for reviews prior). After the first positive outcall I am way more comfortable with doing incalls and if they become a regular I will ask if they prefer my outcalls (usually nicer rooms/suites in nicer hotels/resorts) or incalls (some have told me they feel more comfortable with incalls since its less of a hassle)

In the heat of the moment it can sometimes be hard to choose between trusting your gut or busting up in d’em guts.
TRUST YOUR GUT

Share some of your tips, suggestions below as well.

Huncho

Haha !
Now , because of Huncho’s post , I will wonder if someone’s listening to me from the other side of the door when I am waiting for my client.
I usually light up the candle make sure my heated mattress is on the right temperature right before my client arrive so I think the only thing he could ear would be me singing alone while setting up the last details ..

Also , those are all very valuable tips to help clients stay safe. What a wonderful post.
The only thing I would say for clients is :
If it’s too good to be true , it’s usually a scam.
No provider gives everything for nothing or it would be a million reviews about her here and she’d be so overbooked that it would be a waiting list just to see her.

betaman said:

okay, what's the next level up from superhero??

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In all honesty, when I plan on meeting an SP for the first time, I try to do all the research I can to ensure that it will be a positive experience. Sometimes the first encounter have been great with multiple repeats, and other times it was just dissappointing. Either way, I haven't been "scammed", thanks to the fellow hobbyists on this sight. Any time I was scammed, it was years ago when you would met SPs through chat-lines, and there was no real source (other than Cowboy Kenny) to call out the scammers.

If you read and follow justhuncho's reply on this thread, you shouldn't go wrong.

Waylon said:

In all honesty, when I plan on meeting an SP for the first time, I try to do all the research I can to ensure that it will be a positive experience. Sometimes the first encounter have been great with multiple repeats, and other times it was just dissappointing. Either way, I haven't been "scammed", thanks to the fellow hobbyists on this sight. Any time I was scammed, it was years ago when you would met SPs through chat-lines, and there was no real source (other than Cowboy Kenny) to call out the scammers.

If you read and follow justhuncho's reply on this thread, you shouldn't go wrong.

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Sure do miss the lengendary Cowboy. Posts were always a hoot to read.

Alison_xox said:

The only thing I would say for clients is :
If it’s too good to be true , it’s usually a scam.

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But, you're TGBTT, and you're NOT a scam...

Waylon said:

I've had some bad experiences years ago while cruising the chat lines on Quest.

Once I went to an incall in Vanier. I handed her the money and she left the bedroom. Next, her boyfriend walked in and told me to leave. I picked up the TV, pulled all cables and cords out of the walls etc, then she yelled that she was calling the cops. So I threw the TV across the room and left.

Another time, I met a girl in South Keys at a condo/garden home. Paid the fee, and we started playing around. Then she said she had no condoms and said "we" should go to Shoppers Drug Mart and get some condoms. When we went to leave, it seemed it was only me going. I go and get some, then surprise surprise, there's nobody home when I return. No answer at the front or rear doors, no lights on, and no answer on the phone. So, I rolled the gas BBQ from the back yard to my truck, loaded it up, and left. I called back and left a message saying "Looks like you'll be flipping burgers at McDonalds now!". She called back and left a message all teary and crying asking why I raped her and she's calling the cops. I never heard a thing out of it.

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What you did was dumb. You could have been killed/injured for the sake of a few dollars.