trump kidnaps Maduro to steal resources from Venezuela

silentkisser

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Check your numbers and demographics; once the boomers start to die off en mass you are going to find your opinions very much in the minority
You could be right. Or just stuck in the right-wing media echo chamber. Time will tell.
 

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I did business in Venezuela prior to Chavez. Beautiful country with great potential. Besides oil, the country has massive reserves of bauxite, iron ore, gold and several critical minerals. There is absolutely no way that the country properly managed should be mired in poverty. And so while I disagree with Trump on almost everything he does, in the case of extraction of Maduro and his wife I applaud him vigorously.

Because democracy will return to Venezuela with the election of a new president and legislature. Human rights will be restored. Economic platform to attract foreign investment will be created. The model for this is Chile, where the autocrat Pinochet let American and Canadian mining companies go in and developed the country. Venezuela also has huge tourism potential. Margarita Island and several areas boast beaches equivalent to anything in the Caribbean.

The net result of all this is hyperinflation will be brought under control, the economy will recover and jobs will be created. Freedom will reign. Many of the Venezuelans who left the country, especially those in Colombia, will return.

And the assholes and dummies who object to removal of Maduro will still claim his removal was illegal even after the benefits become resoundingly evident. They can go fly a kite, as far as I am concerned.
Sure, but how much of those issues were caused by american sanctions on the oil industry after they tried to nationalize?

China and Chevron were the primary oil customers, Chevron is still shipping oil.
China and BRICS are starting to fight back.


 

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Have you looked at the VP?

It's looking like an inside job, and it looks like enemy purges have started.
I dont know what you are talking about. But it doesnt matter. You seem to belong to the nutty group who believe Maduro should be returned to Venezuela to continue oppressing his people for as long as he is alive and pass the reigns to his wife after he passes to continue the oppression. We have seen that movie before: it is called Fidel and Raul Castro - the "liberators" of Cuba.

BTW, if Maduro could be extracted from his well fortified compound, the Maduro lackeys must be shaking in their boots of what could happen to them if they dont behave
 

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Have you looked at the VP?

It's looking like an inside job, and it looks like enemy purges have started.
More likely CIA worked with the VP... She has to do it or she would've been gone with Nicolas to NY herself...lol...IMO this is to keep the civil unrest to a minimum...They will most likely have an election pretty soon...Venezuelans are still on a high with Maduro's removal but they will soon have to vote for a leader....This is similar to what happened when Ferdinand Marcos was exiled (most likely a CIA operation)
 
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I dont know what you are talking about. But it doesnt matter. You seem to belong to the nutty group who believe Maduro should be returned to Venezuela to continue oppressing his people for as long as he is alive and pass the reigns to his wife after he passes to continue the oppression. We have seen that movie before: it is called Fidel and Raul Castro - the "liberators" of Cuba.

BTW, if Maduro could be extracted from his well fortified compound, the Maduro lackeys must be shaking in their boots of what could happen to them if they dont behave
Normalizing Might is Right as a justification for taking over other countries is idiotic and evil.
But then again, MAGA is a cult for morons.
 

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I did business in Venezuela prior to Chavez. Beautiful country with great potential. Besides oil, the country has massive reserves of bauxite, iron ore, gold and several critical minerals. There is absolutely no way that the country properly managed should be mired in poverty. And so while I disagree with Trump on almost everything he does, in the case of extraction of Maduro and his wife I applaud him vigorously.

Because democracy will return to Venezuela with the election of a new president and legislature. Human rights will be restored. Economic platform to attract foreign investment will be created. The model for this is Chile, where the autocrat Pinochet let American and Canadian mining companies go in and developed the country. Venezuela also has huge tourism potential. Margarita Island and several areas boast beaches equivalent to anything in the Caribbean.

The net result of all this is hyperinflation will be brought under control, the economy will recover and jobs will be created. Freedom will reign. Many of the Venezuelans who left the country, especially those in Colombia, will return.

And the assholes and dummies who object to removal of Maduro will still claim his removal was illegal even after the benefits become resoundingly evident. They can go fly a kite, as far as I am concerned.
Thanks for sharing your first hand insight and experience in Venezuela.
I always say living it and experiencing it gives one far more insight of the world than what others have read and heard.

I am in concurrence that Maduro's removal can only lead to better things for Venezuela. If things don't change quickly, it was worth the risk.

I'm not concerned with what keyboard activists say about oil production in twelve months. Or how fast democracy can be reestablished. With the help of the U.S. Venezuela took one important step towards these tremendous goals.
 
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Polling and sentiment go a long way. And, while never 100% accurate, it shows people do NOT want to have anything to do with the US.
Hmm, interesting sentiment. 🤔

 
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Normalizing Might is Right as a justification for taking over other countries is idiotic and evil.
But then again, MAGA is a cult for morons.
Taiwanese people are not being oppressed by their leader....know the difference...even the democrat senators and congressmen wanted Maduro gone... Biden put a bounty on his head. You're just mad Trump made it happen...
 
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I dont know what you are talking about. But it doesnt matter. You seem to belong to the nutty group who believe Maduro should be returned to Venezuela to continue oppressing his people for as long as he is alive and pass the reigns to his wife after he passes to continue the oppression. We have seen that movie before: it is called Fidel and Raul Castro - the "liberators" of Cuba.

BTW, if Maduro could be extracted from his well fortified compound, the Maduro lackeys must be shaking in their boots of what could happen to them if they dont behave
Indications are the U.S. had quite a bit of support from Venezuelans on the ground. The raid appears to be so surgical that one might conjecture that the U.S. military had been given a detailed road map. Maduro surrounded by Cuban bodyguards has to tell you something.

Some of the Trump opposition here likely wants to indulge themselves with the idea of a bloodless, velvet revolution in the near future. I'm afraid military dictatorships generally don't go that quietly.
 
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Hmm, interesting sentiment. 🤔

they are just exaggerating a non issue...Koreans,Japanese and Asians are flocking to the US and Canada...those really are the brunt of their tourism. Sure mostly snowbirds who avoid winters are the Canadians who visit the US...a lot of businesses are still exchanging and the visits to and fro isn't stopping...I'm still book to visit 6 times this year...
 
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Indications are the U.S. had quite a bit of support from Venezuelans on the ground. The raid appears to be so surgical that one might conjecture that the U.S. military had been given a detailed road map. Maduro surrounded by Cuban bodyguards has to tell you something.

Some of the Trump opposition here likely wants to indulge themselves with the idea of a bloodless, velvet revolution in the near future. I'm afraid military dictatorships generally don't go that quietly.
Make sense, hence zero casualty on boots and was in and out like a thief in the night...most people heard about it from Trump as soon as he tweeted...lmao...
 
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Thanks for sharing your first hand insight and experience in Venezuela.
I always say living it and experiencing it gives one far more insight of the world than what other have read and heard.

I am in concurrence that Maduro's removal can only lead to better things for Venezuela. If things don't change quickly, it was worth the risk.

I'm not concerned with what keyboard activists say about oil production in twelve months. Or how fast democracy can be reestablished. With the help of the U.S. Venezuela took one important step towards these tremendous goals.
I got a kick out of reading last night that the Socialist VP, now acting President, is responding to U.S. pressure because the U.S. has located her offshore dollar-denominated accounts in Qatar and Turkey. I remember reading about such offshore accounts in that Manifesto by des Karl. Oh wait, that might have been in Animal Farm.

The Spanish sex work scene has seen a downward pressure on price and an upward spiral in services as a result of the mass exodus of people from Venezuela who can get a student or worker visa (or simply overstay a tourist visa and hope for the best, as a group of absolute hotties did for a long time in a famous house with no address number. Guys were told to look for a certain color combination of door and overhang. The girls who speak enough English and who talk during longer sessions don’t say very good things about that government. Same with Cuban ladies in Miami.

There are no heroes here. Not Trump, Maduro, or the new lady who banks abroad.

We can only hope something good comes to the ordinary folks from the oil. As with the Middle East, oil creates problems. It doesn’t require much labor to extract and generates a lot of wealth for a few. Those few use horrible techniques, whether it be fundamentalist religion or All Animals are Equal, But Some are More Equal Than Others, to control the masses.
 

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I got a kick out of reading last night that the Socialist VP, now acting President, is responding to U.S. pressure because the U.S. has located her offshore dollar-denominated accounts in Qatar and Turkey. I remember reading about such offshore accounts in that Manifesto by des Karl. Oh wait, that might have been in Animal Farm.

The Spanish sex work scene has seen a downward pressure on price and an upward spiral in services as a result of the mass exodus of people from Venezuela who can get a student or worker visa (or simply overstay a tourist visa and hope for the best, as a group of absolute hotties did for a long time in a famous house with no address number. Guys were told to look for a certain color combination of door and overhang. The girls who speak enough English and who talk during longer sessions don’t say very good things about that government. Same with Cuban ladies in Miami.

There are no heroes here. Not Trump, Maduro, or the new lady who banks abroad.

We can only hope something good comes to the ordinary folks from the oil. As with the Middle East, oil creates problems. It doesn’t require much labor to extract and generates a lot of wealth for a few. Those few use horrible techniques, whether it be fundamentalist religion or All Animals are Equal, But Some are More Equal Than Others, to control the masses.
Removal of a dictator is very risky and has it's rewards...oppressed people will be rejuvinated but the next leadership has to be on point... there are still a lot of powerful entities behind the scenes with a lot of money...and like every one who has them, they want to protect what they have...and as decimated the venezuelan economy is...people are easy to buy....removing maduro is the first step....big step.
 

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Hmm, interesting sentiment. 🤔

I'm not sure that really proves much. The reality is the Canadian investment market is small and heavily weighted towards resources. If you want a diversified portfolio, you need to invest abroad. It doesn't mean that Canadians want to become part of the US. It doesn't mean that Canadians trust the Trump administration.
 

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I did business in Venezuela prior to Chavez. Beautiful country with great potential. Besides oil, the country has massive reserves of bauxite, iron ore, gold and several critical minerals. There is absolutely no way that the country properly managed should be mired in poverty. And so while I disagree with Trump on almost everything he does, in the case of extraction of Maduro and his wife I applaud him vigorously.

Because democracy will return to Venezuela with the election of a new president and legislature. Human rights will be restored. Economic platform to attract foreign investment will be created. The model for this is Chile, where the autocrat Pinochet let American and Canadian mining companies go in and developed the country. Venezuela also has huge tourism potential. Margarita Island and several areas boast beaches equivalent to anything in the Caribbean.

The net result of all this is hyperinflation will be brought under control, the economy will recover and jobs will be created. Freedom will reign. Many of the Venezuelans who left the country, especially those in Colombia, will return.

And the assholes and dummies who object to removal of Maduro will still claim his removal was illegal even after the benefits become resoundingly evident. They can go fly a kite, as far as I am concerned.
Look, I should say, I'm actually happy that Maduro is gone. He was horrible, murderous and fucked up the economy (as did the sanctions imposed by the world). However, the way he was removed is very problematic. But probably the biggest issue with this is that Trump has no real plan on what to do next. This feels like they did something on the spur of the moment (well, maybe not that quickly, I mean, it takes the military time to plan something like this) but they have no clear objective or exit strategy. We've seen this many times before with significantly smarter administrations. When will they allow Venezuela to hold elections to choose their leader? Will it be months or years? Will Trump and his cronies leach oil and money from the country or will the pay their fair share? There are so many unanswered questions that the odds are this whole thing deteriorates.

So, while it is good for Maduro to be gone...what happens in the wake of these actions? Will Trump impose a US-friendly dictator? What happens if the people, in fair and free elections, choose somebody or a party that is anti-Trump/American intervention? Will Trump overrule the will of the people?

Now we hear hawkish bullshit from Lindsay Graham about Cuba's days being numbered, or Trump implying that Colombia is next. Does anyone really think this will bring stability to the region?
 
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I'm not sure that really proves much. The reality is the Canadian investment market is small and heavily weighted towards resources. If you want a diversified portfolio, you need to invest abroad. It doesn't mean that Canadians want to become part of the US. It doesn't mean that Canadians trust the Trump administration.
You really shouldn't be arguing about this. (Didn't you recently try to tell us how U.S. gas prices had gone up since the election?)
Yes, the Canadian investment market is relatively small but so is your amount to invest.

Yeah, one can choose a French wine over a California wine. One can postpone a trip to Florida or head to the Caribbean.
The fact is when it comes to their investment money they choose the U.S.
Canadians are not making the really tough protest decision...the big protest in the scheme of economics.

PS- Perhaps Canadians don't want to be weighted towards resources, but this is suppose to be the big economic play of the Carney Administration.
 

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