Just a Reminder that Agencies Aren’t Legal

[roddermac]

Trust me I wish we could back to 2014 when he has legal agencies, I am very pro decriminalization & the full legalization of all forms of sex work.

Why is that. Are you not concerned with trafficking and the safety of women. Just asking not judging.

 

[roddermac]

Well it’s not just about the “clients not caring” it’s who runs the agency going to jail.

Spa also work mainly on a “private member” policy that allows some loopholes

Also the fact it is a body rub parlour & not a brothel aka agencies

Any of us workers who were around in 2014 when the bill passed know the law inside and out, as well as taking the time to thoroughly investigate ourselves what the grey line is.

So what exactly is legal in a body rub parlor and what can get an owner or client in legal trouble.

 

[Julie_BrassClub]

I got quoted $600+/hr recently from an escort in Ottawa that is available on an agency website in Toronto for $250/hr.

Back in the day, Dasha Ivanov used to charge $500-$700/hr as an Indy, yet you would find her at an agency for $250/hr.

Long live our great agencies. Hopefully we got back some non-Asian agencies in Ottawa.

i have a question ladies : why does Toronto and Montreal have so many agencies if it's illegal . Just curious

 

[Haggy64]

I’ve actually worked for the same agency you’re referring to, so I want to give some first-hand perspective. The people running it were kind and respectful, but working under that model meant giving up autonomy over my rates and services and fitting myself into a box to meet demand. It required high volume and a lot of energy, and at the end of the day I walked away with considerably less than what I earn independently now.

That is the core issue. Agencies are not necessarily harmful, but the structure forces attendants to conform to a consumer-driven, volume-based model that undervalues individual providers. It becomes transactional and mechanical, not because the agency sets out to make it that way, but because the system pushes it there.

Yes, some people prefer the convenience of having everything handled for them and that’s fair, but it comes at the cost of independence and long-term sustainability. Your comment actually proves why the industry needs better infrastructure, not more agencies: safer and more transparent advertising options, better education on screening and safety, and spaces where people can set their own limits, rates, and standards.

I’m fortunate now to be able to operate independently, even outside my main city, because I learned and found resources. I share that info whenever I can because I think the future of this work should empower providers rather than keep them boxed in by a third party.

Some good points being raised on both sides here. I am 100% in favour of fair and non exploitive treatment of SPs by agencies, although in discussing this with several SPs, there are definitely some good agencies out there. Not all should be painted with the same brush. And I think the Agencies’ argument is that they just arrange the encounter and whatever happens between two consenting adults….. yadda yadda, yadda…. Some push the boundaries of what is being advertised/ offered and that is where it gets a bit more risky when it comes to law enforcement. I have been hobbying for 20+ years, initially almost exclusively with independents, but more recently almost exclusively through agencies(primarily incalls). Personally, I feel safer dealing with an agency, the locations are usually more upscale, and I feel like I have some degree of recourse if I am flat out ripped off, although that rarely happens now that I do more research before scheduling. While I have my preferences, I don't think I’ve ever been terribly dissatisfied with any GTA agency. I have also had some incredible experiences with independents, particularly the ones who advertise and are reviewed here. Unfortunately, I have had a few terrible experiences with independents( Leolist, backpages, Redbook, Eros etc).and there is just not much you can do but learn from it. Not sure how many of you out there primarily use agencies for this reason but would welcome your feedback.

 

[Theredmilf]

Some good points being raised on both sides here. I am 100% in favour of fair and non exploitive treatment of SPs by agencies, although in discussing this with several SPs, there are definitely some good agencies out there. Not all should be painted with the same brush. And I think the Agencies’ argument is that they just arrange the encounter and whatever happens between two consenting adults….. yadda yadda, yadda…. Some push the boundaries of what is being advertised/ offered and that is where it gets a bit more risky when it comes to law enforcement. I have been hobbying for 20+ years, initially almost exclusively with independents, but more recently almost exclusively through agencies(primarily incalls). Personally, I feel safer dealing with an agency, the locations are usually more upscale, and I feel like I have some degree of recourse if I am flat out ripped off, although that rarely happens now that I do more research before scheduling. While I have my preferences, I don't think I’ve ever been terribly dissatisfied with any GTA agency. I have also had some incredible experiences with independents, particularly the ones who advertise and are reviewed here. Unfortunately, I have had a few terrible experiences with independents( Leolist, backpages, Redbook, Eros etc).and there is just not much you can do but learn from it. Not sure how many of you out there primarily use agencies for this reason but would welcome your feedback.

There is actually a very easy way to paint them all with the exact same brush. Do any comply with the labour code?

 

[Haggy64]

There is actually a very easy way to paint them all with the exact same brush. Do any comply with the labour code?

So, just to clarify, are you suggesting that none of the agencies comply with the labour code?

 

[Theredmilf]

So, just to clarify, are you suggesting that none of the agencies comply with the labour code?

Well, do you observe any application of the labour code? I think we’re all familiar with what this is from civilian work. Do you see it being applied anywhere within sex workers’ workplaces? Do you see any harassment policies? Do you see any workers rights whatsoever?

 

[Halloween Mike]

The agency is “Don White’s Associates” Don White was her boyfriend and business partner. Bianca White is very well known in the industry so none of this is a secret. Obviously, he is probably even more culpable but I can only speculate there’s some reason he hasn’t been arrested such as maybe he’s not in Canada. That would make sense given the nature and scope of their business.

At the moment i just wanna reply to that.

I saw that name before and yes it was supose to be an agency but did they ever had any girls listed? Have you ever saw an add? Im kinda active in the business and keeping track and to me it looked like a project that died in the egg. A website with no one listed

Bianca is friend with a lot of your fav providers. Some that advertise here !

So i would just say to be careful before throwing the 1st stone. She may be a scapegoat in the story and nothing more.

 

[Theredmilf]

At the moment i just wanna reply to that.

I saw that name before and yes it was supose to be an agency but did they ever had any girls listed? Have you ever saw an add? Im kinda active in the business and keeping track and to me it looked like a project that died in the egg. A website with no one listed

Bianca is friend with a lot of your fav providers. Some that advertise here !

So i would just say to be careful before throwing the 1st stone. She may be a scapegoat in the story and nothing more.

Slow down cowboy, friend is a strong word. A lot of us know Bianca by reputation. I know some people who have interacted with her or were screwed over by her but I don’t know anyone personally who’s her friend or a professional associate. If I did, I would’ve warned them long ago as this is not her first time being arrested for harming other sex workers. And please don’t assume who is my favourite provider, I try to be generous and kind to many in the industry unless they’re toxic. That doesn’t make everyone my friend, that circle is very small.

As far as whether the label is deserved. I think I posted fairly here. Bianca was charged with human trafficking after quite a long investigation. If you understand what that means, you’ll understand that this is not a trifling where she got hooped in over her head. Trafficking means she was involved in controlling the movement of victims, either by organizing and controlling their schedule, their travels, their passports and possibly by organizing ladies coming into the country.

She’s a longtime, very successful, well compensated provider and built this agency deliberately over top of her independent sex work to grow an even bigger empire. She absolutely knew what she was getting into and isolated herself from anyone in the community who tried to promote ethical standards of any kind.

And yes, I 100% believe the charges because she was previously charged with being involved with a home invasion where another worker was bound with duct tape and threatened with a box cutter. I saw the article myself with her picture in the paper. Over and above that she has said some obnoxious things to quite a lot of workers, one I know personally.

Obviously, there is a history and perhaps she was trafficked from a very young age. I have a lot of compassion for that and it pisses me off that the real kingpin has not been arrested. Her boyfriend “Don White” is clearly a total piece of shit and if she has any sense, she will throw him right under the bus to get a plea bargain.

So no, my dear I am not being a hypocrite and Bianca is not just a scapegoat. This is a FAFO moment that should give everyone pause. We should also leave room for the fact that she is still a person. This must be an incredible blow, but she’s 32 and maybe this becomes a turning point in her life.

If I was a trusted figure, I would advise her to break free of all the toxic men and her orbit who have led her down the wrong path and realize she could’ve succeeded and then some without breaking any laws if she had simply known her incredible beauty and power. Women never need to hustle. We are all life on earth. Nothing exist without us. We will always succeed when we know who we are.

 

[Hughlongly]

So, my two cents; I hate agencies. They can get fucked. I recall a certain agency in Ottawa that had a weaselly little shit running it, and he had an Ottawa copper on the hook as his shake down muscle. The Agency was hit for trafficking a minor on Cooper Street at the extended stay. The copper got EXACTLY what he deserved and the little shit weasel slithered away. He was a real tough guy on the phone. He's 5'2 and 100 lbs in real life and a piece of shit. I don't like pimps. They're the first ones against the wall when the revolution comes.

Now, as to you ladies; Ms Lovechanko, Ms Ruby and Miss Madeline; I support you and all independents. A person should be able to be gainfully employed by the use of their body period! It's your body. It's your life. And I thank all the women who have let me lay with them over the years. They've been a source of great joy in my life. I LOVE women! If IF as Madeline mentioned, you got something going, it needn't be an agency. It could be instead a network of referral. Something akin to a private club, but not quite. Quality women (or men, whatever floats your boat!), quality clients. Good hygenie. Regular testing. Agreed upon rates and restrictions. Punctuality and consideration. That's what's need.

 

[Hughlongly]

I’m especially saying it to those who keep trying to encourage sex workers to start one. The balls it takes to ask us to put our lives at risk and to exploit our sisters just so cheap prices can hit the market.

It's not balls. It's something else entirely. It's a deep, no, not deep, I was going to see it's a deep sense of not giving a shit, but it's the total absence of giving a shit for another person. It's such selfish bullshit. 'Anything to make it cheaper so I can get my nuts off' It's gross.

 

[Hughlongly]

The agency is “Don White’s Associates” Don White was her boyfriend and business partner. Bianca White is very well known in the industry so none of this is a secret. Obviously, he is probably even more culpable but I can only speculate there’s some reason he hasn’t been arrested such as maybe he’s not in Canada. That would make sense given the nature and scope of their business.

As far as my own position, I’m not against agencies in theory just those that exploit workers, I’m against exploitation of all workers in all industries not just sex workers, and unfortunately, the majority of them do. I think there is an amazing case to be made however a spa or Indy co-op agency which would not only be legal, but would be fair and much safer.

i would imagine 'Don Whites Associates' is also code. If they had soft and fen, and other substances it didn't just fall from the sky. And those who regulate that industry don't just let anyone move weight. So the 'Associates' I would imagine are 'named' persons. Southern Ontario, white people; there's only two organizations who would front it to them like that, (well, really one organization if you think about both groups long time co-operation) and of the two, one has had a long time sweet tooth for running strings of ponies. If 'Don White' hasn't been arrested it probably means he's running for his life FROM that organization. He's probably on the west coast.

 

[Hughlongly]

At the moment i just wanna reply to that.

I saw that name before and yes it was supose to be an agency but did they ever had any girls listed? Have you ever saw an add? Im kinda active in the business and keeping track and to me it looked like a project that died in the egg. A website with no one listed

Bianca is friend with a lot of your fav providers. Some that advertise here !

So i would just say to be careful before throwing the 1st stone. She may be a scapegoat in the story and nothing more.

So first off, Grammarly is free and can help not only with your syntax but the spelling of words and forming of sentences. Second, their names may be 'White' but their reputations aren't. They're shitbags. Ruby Lust has earned her stripes and she doesn't owe you a gawd damn thing. Just because you creep pages doesn't mean you're JK Rowling.

 

[honeybear69]

WELL I think .......of course I was going to say something eventually!! There is one person on this thread who feels they know more about the "System" than the Ladies who have been responding to his posts. He is a new member since the beginning of Sept and their posts do have a certain slant to them This might just be someone trying to stir the pot. Of the Ladies who have been responding to this thread I have spend time with 2 of the 3 and the 3rd is on my radar (Hi Ruby). I think since they have lived or are living in the "System" looking out, they know more about it than the person (who feels entitled to better rates) might know looking in from outside the "System". I would like to think the long standing members on here and are Business Women in their own rights, have much more knowledge and understanding that the nameless one (post #3) not naming anyone. Might just be someone is angry he needs to spend money to get his rocks off. The "System" is not perfect, it might be broken, the law didn't seem to help everyone or protect anyone, the Ladies know the law better than most everyone here, heck I have never read it. These Ladies work outside of Workers Rights, Unemployment Insurance and WSIB as far as I understand. I see postings on X about an individual Lady getting roughed up or injured and they are off work for a while, well they don't just jump on EI do they. If someone feels they know more than the Ladies, then please make your statements this is a public forum (sorta) but unless your a Lady in the industry you do not know what is happening behind the scenes of the massage tables, showers, clean rooms, white towels, condo building codes, hundreds of texts per week, and the always present I am sure...."can you give me a better price I am on Terb". Ladies I bid you a good night as I have stayed up later than I normally do after shift to get this out......
HB69.....was here?!?!? Speaker to the masses.....but nobody listens!

 

[Halloween Mike]

So first off, Grammarly is free and can help not only with your syntax but the spelling of words and forming of sentences. Second, their names may be 'White' but their reputations aren't. They're shitbags. Ruby Lust has earned her stripes and she doesn't owe you a gawd damn thing. Just because you creep pages doesn't mean you're JK Rowling.

So first off i don't care. English is not my first language. Don't like? Don't read ! Second what are you even talking about? Owning what? Who's talking of owning anything? Creeping pages? Huh?

I didn't attack anyone for a start i just said sometimes we (as humanbeings) are too fast at judging peoples before they been properly judged.

I saw this news on a Friday night at 2am and i was just holding my judgement until i saw more.

I remember this whole "Don White Associates" thing and i simply can't remember it taking off. Maybe in this story Bianca "took the fall" for this Don White guy. I dunno really. Story still so new.

I can think of 4 SPs (or for one, a former SP) right away that i either seen myself or plan to see one day that are friends with her (and did Duos with her) so yeah its strange to say the least.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Slow down cowboy, friend is a strong word. A lot of us know Bianca by reputation. That doesn’t make everyone my friend, that circle is very small.

As far as whether the label is deserved. I think I posted fairly here. Bianca was charged with human trafficking after quite a long investigation. If you understand what that means, you’ll understand that this is not a trifling where she got hooped in over her head.

She’s a longtime, very successful, well compensated provider and built this agency deliberately over top of her independent sex work to grow an even bigger empire.

And yes, I 100% believe the charges because she was previously charged with being involved with a home invasion where another worker was bound with duct tape and threatened with a box cutter.

So no, my dear I am not being a hypocrite and Bianca is not just a scapegoat.

1) By friends i mean providers who been hanging with her, traveling with her, doing duos for years, among others but also spent personal time with her. I was not thinking about you at all.

2) For now she is charged and not been judged and condemned. Think about Carter Hall who was arrested for rape (pretty serious charge too) and was not found guilty. Peoples are innocent until proven guilty in Canada.

3) The "agency" in question i can't even recall it actually being more than just a "project". Like never saw ads or anything and i tought it died long ago. Thus why i would need to look more into it.

4) I remember the home invasion thing. That was like a decade ago. She could had changed. It could had been a "error of youth" (erreur de jeunesse)

5) Why you felt i was speaking about you? Where did i called you a hypocrite? Heck i didn't single anyone. (Just replied to the general news of Bianca's arrest). I said she could be a scapegoat as in she took the fall for the Don White guy. Maybe HE threw her under the bus. Maybe the police used her to get to him (having her testify against him).

Heck all all i said in this post was that i just saw the news and i wanted to get more infos before condemning her. And when i said "careful to not throw the first stone" it was valid for anyone on Terb. Not targeting any individuals clients or SPs.

 

[lunaseraphim]

Look, it's one thing to say you want to keep seeing girls who work for agencies, it's another to start insulting indies about our rates and our looks. Most indies, myself included, have worked for spas and agencies in the past and we decided that it was not for us. I had 3 different agencies try to recruit me in Montreal. I respect SP who work for agencies, it's their choice, there are advantages and disadvantages no matter how you decide to work as a companion.. As an indy, I have to do a lot of work that is unseen by clients, but I have no problem finding business and I would like it if clients respected those of us who choose to work independently.

 

[SIRLOKI]

Most Asian spas are operating as brothels, advertising openly in the escorts section. It's getting harder to get a massage, he at these place. So how do they get away with it?

 

[Assblaster]

I like everyone perspective and point of view. This thread is very informative am completely against any form of trafficking or exploiting of young ladies because I have sisters and daughters. Lots of dudes get exploited and taken advantage of too not like they can call and report and explain to the authorities what happens lol

 

[value_hunter]

I'm a little confused by the thread title - "Just a Reminder that Agencies Aren't Legal"

Is it legal for me to see an independent?

(I have nothing against independents, I respect the risk that they take on and I see them frequently).