Report: Five members of Canada’s 2018 WJC team told to surrender to London Police

mandrill

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I didn't form an opinion about whether the prosecution or the defense evidence was more believable. In my opinion, there was insufficient evidence that a guilty verdict could be reached, because after all was said and done, I still had reasonable doubt. That's all that SHOULD matter, in a criminal trial.
Yes, I agree.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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So you just made that part up about the enthusiasm. Gotcha.
No, consent has to always be enthusiastically and continuously provided.
It is common sense but since you insist you have none, here is something that may help you.
 

mellowjello

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So you just made that part up about the enthusiasm. Gotcha.

btw, Robert Prevost was named Pope, when Francis died.
The balls on the guy.
And unapologetic about it.
Let's see if mandrill, a.k.a. Perry Mason steps in to give him a scolding now.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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The balls on the guy.
And unapologetic about it.
Let's see if mandrill, a.k.a. Perry Mason steps in to give him a scolding now.
I'm surprised he hasn't called the judge a Nazi yet...
C'mon use your heads.
The judge herself said that this was not a finding that sex was consensual, but rather that she was left with reasonable doubt due to the inconsistencies in the girl's statements.
"Not meeting the burden of proof" is not equal to "She lied" or "Everything happened the way it should have".
The verdict is what it is, but making a video after the event is sus.
If everything was fine why would they need to?
 
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onomatopoeia

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No, consent has to always be enthusiastically and continuously provided.
It is common sense but since you insist you have none, here is something that may help you.
RAINN is an American non-profit organization, with no legal status in the Canadian criminal justice system.
 
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JimmyG

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Masturbating in a room full of guys, saying “so is someone going to f—-me or what?..LOL.

That's a lot of reasonable doubt.
Was there actual evidence of this ? Or according to who's testimony did this come from ? The players, or teammates ?
 

JimmyG

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She takes Alex Formenton by the hand and leads him into the restroom...He goes to put on a condom but she says he doesn't have to because she is using birth control...That sounds pretty enthusiastic to me, lol.

The only reason he stepped up was because she was calling them pussies for not wanting to have intercourse with her.
Again who's testimony did this come from ?
Other than Carter Hart, none of the others took the stand, which I understand is their right.
I just wonder if they were scrutinized and cross examined if they would be found as credible or reliable ? Especially Michael McLeod?
 

Valcazar

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Common sense.
Are you one of those people who argues that if it not determined in a court of law, rape hasn't occurred?
I thinking he is taking issue with your use of "enthusiastic", which is not a legal term under law.
It's confusing and open to interpretation.
As I am sure you know, even some of those who originally promoted it have questioned whether it is the best term to describe the concept.
Even RAINN, while they still use the term, point out it isn't a legal standard and also use "positive consent". (Something I prefer these days.)
 
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Valcazar

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Thats an absurd statement since many sexual assaults go unreported.
But a lot of people will tell you, quite openly, that no one can possibly be called a rapist unless they have been convicted of rape (specifically named as such) in a court of law.
You are correct that this is absurd.
 
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