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Judge Merchan is totally bias!!

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WyattEarp

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You might.
But paying hush money isn't illegal.

It also would be explicitly not a campaign finance issue since the fund existed legally for exactly that purpose, wouldn't it.

But it is an interesting question and maybe was a line of defense that could have been pursued.
I think you run into the same logic quagmire as the Trump and Edwards cases. The Congressional fund was a gentlemen's agreement using taxpayers money to conceal scandals from voters.

The difference was no prosecutor was going to take on the U.S. Congress.

It's my opinion that these payments are much closer in character then you might acknowledge.
 

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BREAKING. Judge Merchan has instructed the jury they do not need to have a *UNANIMOUS* verdict in order to convict former President Donald J. Trump. "One thing in particular that the judge said the jurors could do. He delivered what is being called really the pinnacle of all of this. There is no need to agree on what has occurred. They can disagree on what the crime was among the three choices." "This means they could split 4-4-4 and the judge would still treat them unanimously. What does that mean?" "Outrageous. In a normal criminal case every statutory crime has what we call elements of the offense. Like in a bank robbery case you have to rob – it has to be a financial institution, you have to show intent," said former prosecutor Andrew McCarthy. "Those are the things the jury has to agree on unanimously that they were proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Here what we’re doing is taking the element that actually makes this a felony, because remember falsification of records is normally a misdemeanor in New York. What makes it a felony is that you are concealing or committing another crime." "And here the judge is telling them they don’t have to agree about what the other crime is under circumstances where that not only is what makes this a felony, makes it a four-year potential prison penalty rather than a year or less, but it is also what gets us into the courtroom." "If this had been a misdemeanor, the time to bring this case would have lapsed in 2019. The only reason they are still able to bring this case is because it’s a felony allegedly and yet now the judge is saying you know, you don’t have to agree on what the felony is." The jury has now gone to deliberations.
I fear that the prosecutor and the judge have created a dog's breakfast of charges and the ensuing trial. It's kind of like they are saying if you don't think things were kosher you can find the defendant guilty of a felony on general terms.

Felony trials should never be murky. A specific crime, specific intent proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
 

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I think you run into the same logic quagmire as the Trump and Edwards cases. The Congressional fund was a gentlemen's agreement using taxpayers money to conceal scandals from voters.

The difference was no prosecutor was going to take on the U.S. Congress.

It's my opinion that these payments are much closer in character then you might acknowledge.
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I fear that the prosecutor and the judge have created a dog's breakfast of charges and the ensuing trial. It's kind of like they are saying if you don't think things were kosher you can find the defendant guilty of a felony on general terms.

Felony trials should never be murky. A specific crime, specific intent proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Democrats weaponizing (and bastardizing) the justice system unfolding before our eyes. Historic moment! Democrats must be happy...until the precedent is used on them.
 

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I fear that the prosecutor and the judge have created a dog's breakfast of charges and the ensuing trial. It's kind of like they are saying if you don't think things were kosher you can find the defendant guilty of a felony on general terms.

Felony trials should never be murky. A specific crime, specific intent proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
I don't think that's what the judge did, Earp.

But then, you know more than the judge about the Law............
 

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I don't think that's what the judge did, Earp.

But then, you know more than the judge about the Law............
When one posts they need to always think about how their posts might age.

In this case, there will likely be an appeal. An appeal almost always questions the judge's decisions and his handling of the trial.
 

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Democrats weaponizing (and bastardizing) the justice system unfolding before our eyes. Historic moment! Democrats must be happy...until the precedent is used on them.
Why don’t you tell us what actually happened with those payments to cohen? 😂
I want to hear one version in which Trump is innocent. (I bet jury was waiting for it too 😂)
 

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Why don’t you tell us what actually happened with those payments to cohen? 😂
I want to hear one version in which Trump is innocent. (I bet jury was waiting for it too 😂)
Cohen should not be trusted and the judge is a democrat pawn presiding over a case that has no victims and purely politically motivated.
Everyone knows that.
 

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Cohen should not be trusted and the judge is a democrat pawn presiding over a case that has no victims and purely politically motivated.
Everyone knows that.
You forgot to mention what happened with payments to cohen. What’s the true story? 😂😂😂
PS - Victims are arguably American voters (and Hillary Clinton) who Trump defrauded by way of hiding his shameful cheating behaviour which fraudulently influenced 2016 elections
 

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You forgot to mention what happened with payments to cohen. What’s the true story? 😂😂😂
PS - Victims are arguably American voters (and Hillary Clinton) who Trump defrauded by way of hiding his shameful cheating behaviour
Clinton lost because no one liked her for a plethora of reasons. No need to thank Trump for that.
 
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