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Butler1000

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Kautilya said:
I think you asked me this question way back. Yes. Of course they had a right to protest and disrupt. What they shouldn't have done to shoot themselves in the foot was to carry the nazi and confederate flag, and carried an array of guns and other weapons. That showed they were far right protestors who were probably going to engage in deadly violence and gave Trudeau the right to take action.
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Nor should they endanger traffic and trains through vandalism. And btw the multiple arrests show they WILL shut them down. Ask the G20 protesters.
 
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Klatuu said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780448646925893688
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Settlers commit way more terrorist attacks than Hamas, yet Israel only sends the IDF out to protect them.
www.aljazeera.com

UN demands Israeli forces end support of settler attacks in West Bank

UN spokesperson says Israel has a duty to protect Palestinians from settler attacks, which have been on the rise.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1779939999414407580

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1778836443491672393

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1779241956003942421
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Kautilya said:
I think you asked me this question way back. Yes. Of course they had a right to protest and disrupt. What they shouldn't have done to shoot themselves in the foot was to carry the nazi and confederate flag, and carried an array of guns and other weapons. That showed they were far right protestors who were probably going to engage in deadly violence and gave Trudeau the right to take action
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This is where you lose credibility and why so many posters dont take you seriously.
First of all the truckers in Ottawa never carried any weapons, that happened out West:

globalnews.ca

RCMP arrest 13 people, seize weapons and ammunition near Coutts border blockade | Globalnews.ca

In a news release Monday morning, Alberta RCMP said they recently became aware of a small organized group within those involved in the larger Coutts border protest.
globalnews.ca globalnews.ca

Second of all, there were 2 known cases of Palestinian protestors carrying terrorist flags.
One in Oct of 2023: https://www.bnaibrith.ca/bnai-brith...-canada-celebrate-terrorism-with-hamas-flags/
And another in Jan. 2024: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...ef-pro-palestine-demonstration-flag-1.7081772
That person was charged: https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/...-man-allegedly-held-terrorist-flag-at-protest

Third of all, there were threats against police: https://nationalpost.com/news/ill-p...an-protester-threatens-toronto-police-officer

So clearly by your standards Ottawa truckers should be allowed to protest just as the Palestinian protestors are allowed to, without being rounded up or having their bank accounts frozen
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Kautilya said:
You are missing several important points.

a) The guy who was carrying the Hamas flag was arrested and charged with a hate crime. Out of the 100s of 1000s who have come out, only 1 guy was carrying it, so there was no reason to shut the protests down. Problem solved
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There was only a couple of Trucker protestors carring a Nazi flag.
So by your standards they shouldve been arrested and charged as well, and that wouldve been the end of it.
That has nothing to do with the rest of the peaceful Trucker protestors

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b) The people possessing weapons were aligned with the freedom convoy, so what I said was accurate
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Thats irrelevant. Ottawa truckers werent carrying weapons.
What happened thousands of miles away in Alberta has no correlation to what happened in Ottawa

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c) There were many Nazis and far-right people in the freedom convoy who are dangerous. Infact the protests themselves were organized by a western separatist neo-nazi party
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Thats simply not true. Even if it were true I'm sure there's many Palestinian protestors who support Hamas, which has been deemed a terrorist organization by Trudeau, just as the Nazi party has been

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d) The convoy protestors were protesting vaccine mandates and lockdowns, which was unreasonable and 90% of Canada did not support it. The pro-Palestinian protestors are protesting for a just cause. The majority of Canadians support a Palestinian state and Canada as a state does so as well. So they have more credibility
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There's no Canadian law that says you cannot protest if 90% of Canadians disagree with you.
BTW the number wasnt 90%, it was between 60 and 70% IIRC

Kautilya said:
So clearly the same standards cannot be applied to both protests. The only standard that can be applied is their right to protest. Yes truckers had a right to protest. But given how dangerous far right extremists they were, JT was right in shutting that down. Pro-Palestinian protestors are just regular people, students, educated people etc., even if there are a couple of overtly enthusiastic youth in there. So they are not dangerous and dont have to be shut down.

Remember, that in the west, far-right extremism accounts for almost all of the terrorism in the country. Islamic extremism is a very minor problem, with only a couple of instances over the years and in most of those cases they are thwarted even before they happen.
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You clearly have a left-wing double standard, and you display hypocrisy by applying one rule to one side, and then not to the other side
 
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Kautilya said:
Protests are meant to disrupt. I am yet to see any Canadian "shut down" protests. I see it continuing. Protests need to be sustained, intense, disruptive, uncomfortable and inflammatory. Otherwise you will just drive by while they protest with no effect. Think about BLM. No one paid any attention until George Floyd. Unfortunately that is the system we have. Ideally it shouldn't be the case. A peaceful protests should work to start a conversation on the topic but it doesn't work that way.

A couple bucks restitution.
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So freezing bank accounts isn't "shutting down" protests? If protests aren't meant to disrupt...hence there are "peaceful protests" you're just making excuses for a certain group...c'mon now.
 
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richaceg

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Kautilya said:
What? I said JT was right in shutting down the convoy and also right in not shutting down the pro Palestinian protests. How he shuts down is not something I was talking about. Also I said protests are meant to be disruptive.
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