Poll: Who gets your vote

[JohnLarue]

It is not pretzel logic to say that asking for lowered immigration is NOT racist, but pushing the great replacement theory objectively IS racist because it is white supremacist speech.

for Christ sakes
immigration is a problem .
it has created / exacerbated a housing crisis
it has also very likely put extra strain on health care
pull your head out of your ass and stop playing the race card

Okay, I accept your explanation that you did not intend it in a racist way. I however was not even accusing you per se. I was generally saying that racists out there, use "flooding", "invading" etc to refer to immigrants.

it is not my fault your pretzel logic drives you to pull the race card
only you can fix that

Looks like Justin did not divide anybody here. He saw immigration policy needed a change and he made the change, which you seem to agree with. Why is he a moron for that? Sounds like irrational hatred.

you called him an part-time imbecile
was that irrational hatred or you stating the bloody obvious ?

what part of him greatly expanding immigration confuses you ?
a moron causes a problem and despite 8 1/2 years of ignoring warnings , he finally realizes his policies need to be corrected.
yeah that's a moron alright

what is irrational is you believing he should get credit for finally seeing the bloody obvious

So will reducing supply. Zoning, permitting, taxation, etc are all supply side issues that prevent Canada from responding to increased housing demands which are actually bigger issues, than demand side pressures.

why are you aways wrong?

supply has not shrunk, in fact it has grown slowly since 2009
long before Canada was cursed by electing the moron Trudeau in 2015

just not fast enough to keep pace with demand growth, which has been driven by immigration

this is a demand side issue

 

[JohnLarue]

]I am not referring to the housing crisis and health care. I am talking about the great replacement theory - IF someone refers to that as a reason to lower immigration, then that is racist.

for Christ sakes
immigration is a problem .
it has created / exacerbated a housing crisis
it has also very likely put extra strain on health care
pull your head out of your ass and stop playing the race card

That is being objective. He has been an imbecile at times, he has done well other times. Your characterization that he is a moron and an imbecile at all times, is irrational hatred.

do you know many imbeciles who are only part time imbeciles ?
being stupid irresponsible and corrupt takes up all of his time

he has done well other times.

name those other times

Immigration only recently increased to 500K per year. Prior to that it was 250 to 300K. So you are saying its damned if he does damned if he dont?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-record-population-growth-1.7063692

Statistics Canada reports record population growth, more than 430,000 in Q3


no he is damned for ramping up the number of new comers

Thanks for providing that graph and PROVING supply side issues are THE MAJOR factor in housing prices. Per this graph, we are building less houses than the early 70s! Infact supply has stagnated since the 70s, while population has been growing consistently. Supply is the primary issue, not population growth.

you left out the part where the population growth since 2015 is significantly higher than in the 1970s

supply has been growing since 2009
house prices have more than doubled since then
population growth since 2015 has greatly increased (yet we have a shortage of skilled workers)
new comers to the country add to the demand independent of their skills contribution (or lack of skills contribution) to the workforce
it is a demand issue created by Trudeaus immigration policies

your bias prevents you from being objective
your lack of integrity prevents you from being truthful

 

[JohnLarue]

Stop being a broken record and read what someone is saying to you. White supremacy is racist and using it to demand lowered immigration is therefore racist.

Stop being a broken record and read what someone is saying to you.
Stop pulling the race card and learn how to make a fact based logical argument

Yes. Trudeau. PP. A couple of examples right there.

Trudeau has proven himself to be stupid, irresponsible and corrupt

Pierre has proven Trudeau to be stupid, irresponsible and corrupt

Gender equity. Legalizing weed. Truth and reconciliation. etc.,

too funny
Gender equity.- he fired the first ever female Justice Minister because she refused to be corrupted
he has also groped women
Legalizing weed, the only upside to this freeing up police / court resources. a stoned workforce will not address our productivity problem.
Truth and reconciliation.- he has made a mess of this , enriching chiefs, while not providing access to clean drinking water despite spending big $
indigenous peoples are govt dependents - this is not sustainable

his economic strategy - is based on:
unsustainable govt spending
unsustainable govt borrowing
unsustainable corporate welfare
unsustainable immigration
he is such a moron

Your graph shows the growth is very minor, and overall supply has not only stagnated but is lower than the early 70s! What was Canada's population in 1971? Half of what it is now? And we have LESS housing today being built, than back then!

What was Canada's population in 1971?
21,888,679
What was Canada's population in 2024?
40,000,000

Half of what it is now?

close enough to half



doubling the population in a generation
we have one of the fastest growing population rates in the developed world
birth rates have declined
mortaility has modestly declined
the population has increased due to immigration policies which Trudeau has excessively ramped up
oh one other tid bit, our GDP per capita is declining

home creation has increased since 2009
immigrants are generally only moving to the two most densely population centers Toronto / Vancouver

this is a demand problem

i will concede that we do have a choice about who to admit
we has a productivity problem and a persistent shortage of skilled labour
lets only bring in new commers who will help address these two very important problems

so full stop on future PR applications , unless there is a job offer in hand
sorry, no vacancy
address the housing shortage and then revisit immigration policy

i.e. use some common sense and logic while ignoring the too often played and irrelevant racist card
shelter is a basic need for all Canadians

 

[K Douglas]

I forgot about this poll lol. Just voted myself. If this forum is voting so overwhelmingly CPC then a runaway election victory is imminent.

 

[Joyrection]

Well Pee Pee is pissed off as the Carbon Tax has raised the prices of his prescription glasses. Hence he has to "Axe the Tax" so that his prescription glasses are more affordable.
He was trying to make a point that he meant to be eating a Bar of Chocolate, however, as he did not have his glasses he took a bite and realized that it was an apple!!

Fake news! PP does not have to pay for anything thanks to the medical and health insurance benefits he enjoys plus clothing, transportation and housing allowances. He has very little in common with the commoners he claims he is going to save.

 

[JohnLarue]

Thanks. I will now run for PM. You can thank me later when I increase immigration to 2M people per year.

sorry we already have a fool in that position
the 2M, can they stay at your place ?

 

[K Douglas]

Fake news! PP does not have to pay for anything thanks to the medical and health insurance benefits he enjoys plus clothing, transportation and housing allowances. He has very little in common with the commoners he claims he is going to save.

So basically you're saying that any politician who is a leader and enjoys those benefits as part of their position in government has very little in common with the common man. So why have politicians then?

 

[Joyrection]

So basically you're saying that any politician who is a leader and enjoys those benefits as part of their position in government has very little in common with the common man. So why have politicians then?

Oh right, that must be what I meant to write but was uncertain how to put it into a proper sentence. Thank you. You can answer your own question as your interpretation of my words is much better, so carryon.

 

[Skoob]

Granted it fell short, but it is a step in the right direction. Why didn't your fearless conservative leader Harper do anything about it then?

I find it amusing when you need to go back almost a decade to Harper to make excuses for Trudeau.
Sure a couple years after taking power for any new government is probably too short a time to make any significant differences, but almost 10 years?
He campaigned on issues such as making the lives of indigenous people better and did nothing other than give government workers a day off while he goes surfing in Tofino.

 

[Skoob]

I forgot about this poll lol. Just voted myself. If this forum is voting so overwhelmingly CPC then a runaway election victory is imminent.

Are we officially calling it a Poilievre victory according to this poll then?

If yes, who will offer a concession speech on behalf of Trudeau here?

Lastly, where's the party???

 

[richaceg]

Okay. Fair enough.

I guess I would vote NDP in this case.

I knew you have a "closet romance" with Jaghmeet....you criticize him but love him at the same time...

 

[Skoob]

Every government under delivers. It is how it is. It is the responsibility of every subsequent government to make things better. What did you think was going to happen? Centuries of oppression corrected in 10 years by a PM and everything is hunky dory after? Truth and reconciliation is always going to be a work in progress. JT took steps in the right direction.

What I thought was going to happen is people stopping to make excuses for Trudeau after he's been in power for 10 years and then blaming the previous government.

btw as far as indigenous issues, Trudeau has not taken a step in the right direction other than giving government workers a day off for "truth & reconciliation".


Despite promise of reconciliation, Trudeau spent nearly $100M fighting First Nations in court during first years in power
https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-ne... spent $92.4,damaging” approaches of the past.


The Trudeau government has failed to deliver on promises it made prior to the 2015 elections
https://thevarsity.ca/2024/03/17/op...reconciliation-is-performative-not-proactive/

 

[JohnLarue]

White supremacy is not a "fact based logical argument".

if you say so
time to stop play the victim

So you are saying Pierre is YET to prove himself to be stupid, irresponsible and corrupt?

and not expected to be stupid, irresponsible and corrupt either

Gender equity does not mean you cannot fire a female.

no employee should be fired for refusing to become corrupt
what is wrong with you?

The workforce is not stoned.

you are so naive
it is incrementally more stoned since legalization

Granted it fell short, but it is a step in the right direction. Why didn't your fearless conservative leader Harper do anything about it then?

throwing more money at special interest groups is not a step in the right direction

No. Several inaccuracies. I will summarize.

We need to focus on 3 things regarding immigration.

1. We need people who have the POTENTIAL to succeed. This includes their ability to speak, read and write, English or French or both, along with their educational and job qualifications. Aka their human capital parameters.
2. We need people who want and intend to stay here for the long term and become citizens.
3. We need them to be between 20 and 40 years old. Ideally, we need them to be between 20 and 30 years old.

The current PR system takes care of these things. The only thing that needs to change is only admitting students who go to accredited institutions and reducing temp workers. We also need to get rid of the Canadian Experience requirement. Stat Canada has actually found we have enough skilled labour in the country, but businesses are still reporting shortage, because they are not employing them. The govt. needs to work with businesses to change this.

no we do not need any more people with "potential" to succeed.
we need people with specific in demand skills

The current PR system takes care of these things

no it does not
the skilled worker shortage is persistent despite millions of new comers

We also need to get rid of the Canadian Experience requirement.

if business is demanding this , it is what is required

The govt. needs to work with businesses to change this

govts role is to create an environment where business can succeed, not to dictate to business who to hire
what is wrong with you?

Your graph showed, that since the 1970s, housing development has stagnated, and infact SLOWED. Population OTOH has consistently increased. So supply side pressures are the reason why housing is unaffordable. The impact of immigration on housing prices is therefore, not the biggest factor.

my god your are stunned
our population growth has increased dramatically since 2015

Record Canada Population Growth Dominated By Immigration - Canada Immigration and Visa Information. Canadian Immigration Services and Free Online Evaluation.

Immigration drove Canada’s largest real number population increase in history in the last year according to the latest figures from Statistics Canada.

www.immigration.ca

Record Canada Population Growth Dominated By Immigration


this growth has been driven by immigration
housing demand is directly driven by population growth


we have a demand problem
one that can be corrected very easily
full stop on PR applications unless there is a written job offer in hand.

supply has increased since 2009

Canada would need to build 3.1 million homes by 2030 to close the housing gap, according to a report by the parliamentary budget officer published Thursday
that is more than double the current pace

that is not going to happen

we have a demand problem
one that can be corrected very easily
full stop on PR applications unless there is a written job offer in hand.

 

[Dutch Oven]

btw as far as indigenous issues, Trudeau has not taken a step in the right direction other than giving government workers a day off for "truth & reconciliation".

Although this was purportedly to signal support for indigenous Canadians, ridiculously it gives a day off with pay to federal public servants, who are rarely of indigenous background, and who (as a class of workers) helped administrate the residential schools system which has been so vilified.

This is truly a "bizarro world" federal holiday for a very undeserving class of citizens. The fact that so many municipalities have adopted the holiday for their non-indigenous workers is even more bizarre.

I'd say it was more about buying the votes of the civil servant class, per usual.

 

[Dutch Oven]

you are so naive
it is incrementally more stoned since legalization

Have you seen the new Crave comedy "The Trades"? There is a an episode called "Piss Test" which, while exaggerating for comedic effect, is a good illustration as to where we are in Canada with use of drugs in our society. It's well known that there is a high rate of drug use in the trades. Every joke contains some truth at its core.

 

[JohnLarue]

Morgan Freeman is wrong. Racism needs to be talked about, and experiences shared so that people are more aware. Stuffing things under the mattress is not exactly a solution.

Morgan Freeman is not wrong.
lose the constant victimhood whining

As I said immigration needs to focus on human capital and potential to succeed, and our current system does that.

the current system which is failing ?

That will address our in demand skill requirement.

millions of new comers into the country and the skilled labor shortage is still persistent
the current system is failing
the facts of the matter prove you wrong once again

And your graph shows that supply side pressures play the biggest role in the housing crisis currently.

no it does not, it proves we have a demand problem

its real simple

supply has increased since 2009
demand has increased at a much faster pace
ask an economist

Canada would need to build 3.1 million homes by 2030 to close the housing gap, according to a report by the parliamentary budget officer published Thursday
that is more than double the current pace and more than double the pace of the 1970s

that is not going to happen

The rest of your post is just repetitive, short circuited robot mumbo jumbo, that I am not going to bother to even read.

translation: stop providing facts that prove kautilya wrong !!
"wah, wah, wah, I (kautilya) am going to run away , now ''
you have been mean to me (kautilya) ....I (kautilya) am a former immigrant, therefore you must be a racist

there is no way in hell Canada will be able to build homes for current Canadians by 2030 , let alone the several more million you want to admit by 2030 because they have 'human potential ' (i.e. a pulse).

we need to turn the immigration tap off


time for you to face the facts of the matter

 

[richaceg]

Morgan Freeman is wrong. Racism needs to be talked about, and experiences shared so that people are more aware. Stuffing things under the mattress is not exactly a solution.

As I said immigration needs to focus on human capital and potential to succeed, and our current system does that. That will address our in demand skill requirement. And your graph shows that supply side pressures play the biggest role in the housing crisis currently.

The rest of your post is just repetitive, short circuited robot mumbo jumbo, that I am not going to bother to even read.

Maybe it should be talked about, but not the way you are talking about it....What you do is label anybody against you as white or "righty"....why? not every conservative is white...and not every liberal is right.

 

[JohnLarue]

Yes Morgan Freeman is wrong. White supremacy needs to be called out and totally trashed. It is not a reason to reduce immigration. The skilled labor shortage is due to employers choosing not to avail of the talent they currently have. Stat Canada found that. The current immigration system also focuses on skills that are in demand. There is no further change required to the existing immigration system of which you are completely and totally ignorant.

Given you are ignorant of the immigration system anything you say on it, amounts to short circuited robot rambling mumbo jumbo. You learn from me. Not the other way around.

And you shot yourself in the dick by producing a graph that showed that supply side pressure are the reason why housing has become unaffordable. Please tell me how it is justified to build LESS houses today, than in 1971, when the population was HALF of what it is today? Occam's Razor. We are not building enough houses because of various supply side issues. The increase in demand due to immigration is minimal.

you are stunned

Canada would need to build 3.1 million homes by 2030 to close the housing gap, according to a report by the parliamentary budget officer published Thursday
that is more than double the current pace and more than double the pace of the 1970s

that is not going to happen
this is the end of your pretzel logic argument

the immigration tap needs to be turned off

use integrity, logic and common sense for while, you might learn something

 

[JohnLarue]

Yes, we know. We need to build a lot of houses. That is what am saying.

and i am telling you we can not physically build that many homes

i thought you said you were running away like a little girl ?

It is supply side issues that is the problem.

no it is not
it is a demand problem

the rate of growth of population (demand) far exceeds the rate of growth of housing starts (supply)
ask an economist

Completely reducing immigration is not possible,

sure it is, it is a policy decision

nor is it possible to halt population growth.

when its primarily a function of immigration it is also a policy decision

Immigration, population growth etc are good.

not when they create a shelter crisis

The govt. needs to roll up their sleeves and get to work on building more houses.

dreamer, ............silly little dreamer

Trudeau promises affordable housing for Canadians | Liberal Party of Canada

TORONTO – Liberals will invest in the middle class and those working hard to join it by making it easier to find an affordable place to call home, said the Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, Justin Trudeau, today. “Safe, adequate, and affordable housing is essential to building strong...

liberal.ca

Trudeau promises affordable housing for Canadians
September 9, 2015
prices has since doubled

Toronto, Canada & Global Breaking News – CP24

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Liberals say their plan to 'solve the housing crisis' will build 3.9M homes by 2031

Published Friday, April 12, 2024
everything Trudeau touches turns to shit

my guess is he wont get 50,000 built before he is removed from power
but he will spend a boatload of taxpayers money

dreamer, ............silly little dreamer

Instead of demanding that govts do their job of catering to the needs of the country, you are here rambling on about turning off a fictional tap.

millions of new commers are not fictional , they are incremental demand

And turn it off and do what?

allow demand to slow until the housing crisis is fixed

the lifeboat with capacity of 30 is filled with 40, the gunnels are an inch above the water line and you want to stuff another 10 into it
go to a different life boat

Kill real estate?

too funny, the biggest interest rate increase in 40 years has not killed demand,
there is too much demand right now
Canada would need to build 3.1 million homes by 2030 to close the housing gap, according to a report by the parliamentary budget officer published Thursday
in fact 3,1 million home buyers of extra excess demand

Kill other industries needing skills?

millions of new commers have entered the country and the acute shortage of skilled workers still persists
if immigration was really required / acting as intended the acute shortage of skilled workers would have been solved by now
this is an undeniable fact

It is a ridiculous and most of all impractical proposition.

pretending the fool who caused the problem can fix the problem is ridiculous and most of all, a very impractical proposition.
everything Trudeau touches turns to shit

It is not about being white, liberal or being right or wrong. It is about actually saying racist things. If you say racist things I will call you out as racist. If you want to argue about lowering immigration I am game and I dont call that racist. But if you argue that we need to lower immigration, and then push white replacement theory, culture etc, as reasons then I will point that out as racist because it is. As I also explained, there are many who do that on the regular on this forum.

blah, blah, racists, blah, blah white, blah, blah victimhood, blah blah

i really do not care what you do or do not define as racists
your judgement is not trustworthy

your strange pretzel logic can be used to justify anything , even a state sponsored assassination attempt on a Canadian citizen

try integrity, logic and common sense, you will be less confused
lose the victimhood

 

[richaceg]

Yes, we know. We need to build a lot of houses. That is what am saying. It is supply side issues that is the problem. Completely reducing immigration is not possible, nor is it possible to halt population growth. Immigration, population growth etc are good. And why CANT it happen? The govt. needs to roll up their sleeves and get to work on building more houses.

Instead of demanding that govts do their job of catering to the needs of the country, you are here rambling on about turning off a fictional tap. And turn it off and do what? Kill real estate? Kill other industries needing skills? It is a ridiculous and most of all impractical proposition.

It is not about being white, liberal or being right or wrong. It is about actually saying racist things. If you say racist things I will call you out as racist. If you want to argue about lowering immigration I am game and I dont call that racist. But if you argue that we need to lower immigration, and then push white replacement theory, culture etc, as reasons then I will point that out as racist because it is. As I also explained, there are many who do that on the regular on this forum.

You've been calling our white people that are conservative or support republicans as righties or racist....that kinda makes you racist towards white as well....we all have different beliefs and none of that are because of the colors of our skin...