https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/...shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
slowly the truth starts to come out.
slowly the truth starts to come out.
CNN: Russia producing 3x the number of shells of Europe and USA combined.
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U.S./NATO only has to provide Ukraine sufficient military aid
to continue fighting in a protracted war of attrition. Numerical
inferiority of Ukraine in artillery and manpower is a reality financiers
of the proxy war.can live with.
to continue fighting in a protracted war of attrition. Numerical
inferiority of Ukraine in artillery and manpower is a reality financiers
of the proxy war.can live with.
At some point (and I think we are close to it) they won't be able to keep fighting.
Comes out?
Russias manufacturing capacity has been well known for years, even before their invasion.
I posted this in the Telenko thread Aug. 17, 2022
"A study I read before the war started stated that Russia has enough domestic raw materials and manufacturing ability to produce 1,000,000 dumb artillery shells per year without ramping up production.
All "smart" guidance systems were supplied by western countries.
That converts to the non wartime capacity of 114 shells per hour.
The main problem woudn't be production, it would be transportation to the front lines of 218,880 lbs of ordinance per day and distributing it across a 2,450 km front line without being intercepted."
Russias manufacturing sector has moved to wartime production which has ramped up production of dumb artillery shells to the current level.
The West is supplying dumb rounds as well as some smart artillery rounds which in place of 10 shells to blanket an area, you can use one for a precise hit.
Still the 6 months of inaction by politicians in supplying ammunition is having an effect on Ukraines defense.
Part of the 60 Billion dollar aid package includes 1.3 million artillery rounds.
The 800,000 dumb rounds currently being sent will not arrive for the next couple of weeks and will not arrive all at once either.
Logistically it is impossible to get 800,000 rounds to the front in one day.
At approximately 240 kilograms each round, 800,000 rounds weigh 192000 tonnes, the average 2 axle tuck on a good road will carry about 14 tonnes, which means you would have to have 13,714 trucks running to the front lines in one day.
Like I posted in 2022, transportation to the front line would be the problem for either side.
It isn't just about artillery shells, Ukraine is using about 12,000 rockets a month.
The 80,000 rockets being sent by Canada is apparently enough to suffice Ukraines needs for 6 months.
Drones are a large part of this as well with Ukraine domestic manufacturing able to produce 300,000 long range (up to 1,000 km) drones per year and more than 1 million small FPV drones a year.
Russia has to purchase these from Iran and China, their domestic Shahed plant was damged by a "smoking accident" shortly after starting manufacturing.
It may be back up and running by now but experts have said the plant could only produce about 1,000 drones a month.
Barrells for artillery pieces need to be replaced and Russia has so far relied heavily on taking barrels from old Soviet systems it held in storage. By 2025, these stocks will be running low and Russia’s capacity to forge barrels is insufficient to meet its future needs.
The bigger surprise is that Putin has managed to keep the country running and the economy functioning with all the sanctions.
Russia has no problem moving the ammo, they have extensive rail networks and road. 100T is very easy to move they have airlifters that can move 60T in a single flight. They have helos, trucks, etc. They are at 3m a yeat accroding to the article, but many people said that is just prewar moving to 7x24. They are probably between 4-7m rounds a year now. They have no problems moving anything to the front. I have not seen many vids of Urkaine attacking trains. Where do you get 240kg per round, that is absurd. Even a 207 mm round is about 100kg. a 155 is probablt about 45 kg. There is no situation in which Ukraine can out produce Russia, let alone Russia and its allies. And as we have seen, NATO can't out produce Russia either .And even if they could, Ukraine is running out of men. Grabbing men off the street and sending them to the front will little training is pointless.
Russia and China are still countries that believe men are men and women are women
The US military is more interested in being woke and putting trannies in high positions of military supervision so what do you think will happen
The world is laughing at us and it shows
The US military is more interested in being woke and putting trannies in high positions of military supervision so what do you think will happen
The world is laughing at us and it shows
What an admirable thing Russia can be known for! Producing more artillery shells than anyone else.
Too bad most of the citizens under Russian governence live in abject poverty without running water.
Pretty cool about the military use of railways and Russian transport airplanes too! Too bad Russia doesn’t care as much about transporting their own people safely around their country!
And having the largest reserves of petroleum in the world while most people living there have to burn fallen trees for survival. Can’t even afford gas for chainsaws. And while the apparachtik and President own more Superyachts and Megayachts than all the world combined.
Yayyyyyy Russia! Nice country and society!
FFS, even the Saudi and Qatari monarchs Give their citizens enough money for a very comfortable lifestyle and education.
Most people have enough of a life themselves that they don’t give a fuck who wants to dress up in whatever clothes or chop their own dicks off.
The only people that are worried about somebody else’s dick and what they do with it are people like you.
And the rest of the people, with real lives, are laughing at you. Except you are too self centred and gleefully ignorant to even know it
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Big words but the facts that these men are taking opportunities away from real biological women is outrageous
They have no problem moving the ammo, they have extensive rail networks and road. 100T is very easy to move they have airlifters that can move 60T in a single flight. They have helos, trucks, etc. They are at 3m a yeat accroding to the article, but many people said that is just prewar moving to 7x24. They are probably between 4-7m rounds a year now. They have no problems moving anything to the front. I have not seen many vids of Urkaine attacking trains. Where do you get 240kg per round, that is absurd. Even a 207 mm round is about 100kg.
The big problem for Russia starts if they win the war. Just like Afghanistan, they can't hold it or defend it.
But here is the real rub, they can't afford to rebuild it which will be their responsibility since it is their's now.
But here is the real rub, they can't afford to rebuild it which will be their responsibility since it is their's now.
Although I strongly disagree with trans /identifying (?) men competing against biological women in sports and I have more relevant issues to think about, give me an example of a tranny General taking the job of a woman General. Or any other job related to important issues. Other than a a swimmer or cyclist etc.
So what opportunities exactly are being taken?
This is a complete and total lie.
We have known about this from day one. Plenty of ink spilled in the western press about the lack of shell production.
More interesting is how Russia is so Stronk, but after an initial surge, they lost lots of clay, and in 2023 the net gain on either side was 0 and any progress they made so far this year would make a WWI general shake their head in dismay.
The first point has been discussed on terb, and the second point has been pointed out to you. That you continue to spout bullshit, well it raises questions about you.
So do you think the Jews are behind it as one article you posted suggested or maybe these guys
Or maybe Major League Baseball teaming up with the egg marketing board.
The fucking Russian criminals running the country can’t or won’t even take care of what land and citizens they already have.
The real motivation is the pathological Russian inferiority complex they have because nobody thinks they are as superior as Russians think they are.
So they create choas to destabilize, damage and destroy the homes, lives and societies of their neighbours to elevate their RELATIVE stature. Including their own fellow Russian neighbours.
Russia creates fuck all.
He said this
, it would be transportation to the front lines of 218,880 lbs of ordinance per day and distributing it across a 2,450 km front line without being intercepted."
Having an extensive road and rail network isn't the issue. Also 60T air lifter isn't landing on the front. Helos, trucks can be intercepted.
Also NATO can out produce, they just don't have the will to so, what sort of retarded nonsense is this. A country of a 140 million with much less GDP per capita can outproduce all of NATO, and before you spread more bullshit, NATO didn't outsource all it's manufacturing to China. The US manufacturing is still 11% of it's economy, which alone is probably more than the entire Russian economy, toss in Europe.
It's a matter of political will, at least in terms of dumb shells. Hell the UK alone was producing 50 million shells a year by 1917, granted not 155s but still, that was 100 years ago. We can do me, we won't.
Oh grabbing men off the street and sending them to the front... hmm who does that sound like, I wonder, could it be... could it be RUSSIA! Well, it's that special.
Based on Ukraine's population and demographics and based on WWI and 2 experience, they can bring plenty more bodies to the front as can Russia, even more if the west starts making their factories go brraap.
Is this clickbait or did you really not know Russia has transformed into a war economy.
And for someone claiming to support peace, it's surprising that you're happy Russia is so interested in continuing their attack.
Yes it stands to reason NATO can out produce as it has a much larger population. But not in ANY timeframe that is relvant to the current conflict. When you distribute 100T a day over that vast front line, the process of intercepting small shipments over a large area is very difficult. An air lifter can airr drop if needed. Ukraine has limited means to intercept such shipments Drones have a limited range, larger drones easier to shoot down. There has been no observable stress on material distribution by the Russians so far. That may change, anything can change in war, but its unlikely. They are the ones with more real time observation assets, and Ukranians are saying that the russians are down to MINUTES from observation to arrival of ordinance. That is unprecendented.
they are not in a war economy. Everyone who has been to Russia says the stores are well stocked, private car sales are up etc etc. They have doubled military spending to 6.4% of GDP but a HUGE amonut of that is salaries which are quite generous, and creating significant growth in rural areas as soldiers send there wages back home. This in turn creates jealousy which drives recruitment. A war economy will be if Russia tried to build a 20M man army to conquer Europe and would require probably 40% of GDP to fund. The russian MIC now employs about 3.5m people which is up from about 1.5m before the war. There will be no peace until Ukraine sues for peace. Any other path will result in more dangerous confrontation. Ukraine was just the farm animal tied to the post to bait the bear.
