Navalney died of blood clot- Ukraine Intel chief
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If the head of Ukraine intel, who Putin tried to kill 2x and who tried to kill Putin 1x exonerates Putin, I think you can say CASE CLOSED.We'll see.....
Here is your problem, Nottsky.
Putin has an established habit of killing people who annoy him. Navalny annoyed him. Therefore, it is overwhelmingly likely that Putin had Navalny killed.
The US admin is fairly convinced N was murdered by P and has their own sources of info.
The "head of Ukrainian intelligence" doesn't say how he found out N died from a blood clot. It may be rumour. It may be distraction. To take it seriously, one would need to know more.
Putin has an established habit of killing people who annoy him. Navalny annoyed him. Therefore, it is overwhelmingly likely that Putin had Navalny killed.
The US admin is fairly convinced N was murdered by P and has their own sources of info.
The "head of Ukrainian intelligence" doesn't say how he found out N died from a blood clot. It may be rumour. It may be distraction. To take it seriously, one would need to know more.
Anyone hear of Covid-19 vaccines??
They cause blood clots, supposedly...
They cause blood clots, supposedly...
Death and funeral of Alexei Navalny - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Investigation into death and aftermath
The Investigative Committee of Russia announced "a set of investigative and operative measures" into Navalny's death.[32] The Polar Wolf penal colony claimed that it had sent Navalny's body to the morgue in Salekhard, but it was not found there.[33] The Investigative Committee of Russia informed the family that the body would be given to them after the cause of death was determined through an investigation; it had previously told them the investigation was complete.[34] The authorities legally can hold his body for up to 30 days.[35] Yarmysh alleged that the Russian authorities were trying to cover up the truth of his death.[36]
According to Novaya Gazeta, the body was first taken to Labytnangi, then to a clinical morgue in Salekhard on the evening of the 16th. His body had bruises consistent with chest compressions, indicating that it was likely attempts were made to resuscitate Navalny.[37][38] The independent Russian news outlet Mediazona reported that live cam footage recorded a FSIN convoy travelling from Labytnangi to Salekhard on the night of the 16th, and suggested that this convoy was carrying Navalny's body.[39] On the morning of 19 February, Navalny's mother, Lyudmila Navalnaya, and his lawyers attempted to access the morgue where his body is alleged to be located, and were not given access.[40][41][42] The Investigative Committee then informed Navalny's team that his remains were sent for a "chemical examination" and would not be returned to the family for another fourteen days.[43] Navalny's wife, Yulia, expressed her belief that authorities were withholding his body while waiting for traces of Novichok to disappear.[44]
On 22 February, Lyudmila Navalnaya released a video message stating that investigators had allowed her to see the body of her son and that she had signed a death certificate that stated that her son had died of natural causes.[45] By law, Navalny's body should have been turned over to his family, but according to Navalnaya, the investigators refused to do so, instead insisting that Navalny be buried in secret[46][47] or inside the prison grounds if Navalnaya did not agree within several hours.[48] Navalny’s remains were finally returned to his mother on 24 February.[49]
Potential cause
Alexander Polupan, a doctor who treated Navalny's earlier poisoning, questioned the rapid timing of medical care, noted that a detached blood clot (a possible cause of death claimed by Russian state media) cannot be verified without an autopsy,[50] and said Navalny had no underlying conditions that would put him at risk of a thromboembolism.[51] His mother was told that he had died from "sudden death syndrome" (an umbrella term for different cardiac syndromes that cause cardiac arrest); his lawyer was told that the cause of death was still unclear.[52][53]
As usual, one of TERB's resident Russian apologists finds death funny.
He'd rather gloat at conspiracy theories being debunked than mourn the death of a brave man who, unlike many other Russians, fought against the homicidal tyranny of Putin and The Kremlin.
Aside from that rant.... I heard the blood clot theory somewhere quite early after his death. And it made sense to me then, and with Budanov saying so, on the balance of probabilities, I'd say it is likely.
No matter if it was polonium or sending a sick man to a Siberian Prison Camp, Putin killed him.
Being physically restricted to solitary confinement for extended periods of time can result in blood clots in the leg (Deep Vein Thrombosis)
When the clot breaks loose, it often travels to the lungs where it results in a pulmonary embolism. This is called Venous Thromboembolism.
Aaaaannnnnd... having said that, I personally feel the USA went too far by enacting sanctions over Navalny's death.
Russia is a fucking oppressive, Dictatorial and fascist, but sovereign nation. What they do with their own citizen/political prisoners is despicable, but is really not for the USA to enforce any more than it is for Russia to opine or otherwise meddle in the domestic affairs of the USA. Now... if they had poisoned him in the USA or Great Britain etc, then that;'s a different story.
But yeah, notty... I am sure you find it really funny otherwise
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Really? You made that connection?
Aside from general ignorance, were you aware that the Russian Sputnik vaccine was notable because it had few if any cases of vaccine induced blot clots?
Side effects are mostly mild and similar to other adenovirus vector vaccines such as the Oxford-AstraZeneca and the Janssen vaccines. However, unlike the Oxford-AstraZeneca and Janssen vaccines evidence does not suggest a risk of vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia.[40] Although a report from Argentina published in the New England Journal of Medicine described fatal vaccine-induced thrombocytopenia and thrombosis in a young woman after receipt of Sputnik-V.[41]
Yes, and Novichok is one of the deadliest nerve agents, yet it didn't kill Navalny or his wife. Novichok couldn't even take out a former Russian spy and his family in London.
Anywho... what's your point? That Sputnik is better than Pfiser or Biontech vaccines?
IMHO, Putin had nothing more to gain by taking further active measures to kill off Navalny. And lots to lose this close to his re-election, being that as it may be.
Both my parents' direct causes of death were as a result of being laid up in hospital, short term, developing a blood clot and suffering a fatal pulmonary embolism. Nothing to do with the reason for being hospitalized except their temporary lack of mobility and then getting up out of bed. Neither were overweight, diabetic or otherwise had any coronary disease.
The few times I, or close friends/family have been in hospital, the Dr and surgeons insisted that I/we/they get up every hour or so to walk a few steps to reduce the risk of blood clots in the leg.
Same advice for long duration flights..
Everyone kills Biden and Zelensky killed Gonzalo Lira, an obscure critic with a youtube channel. Zelensky's been assassinating people in Russia and if you think the US admin is not aware of it then you are even more cluelesss then I thought. What about the US murdering the Iranian defence minister and 3 Iraqis? How many times did the CIA try to kill Castro?
My point is that I find it so predictable that so much is being blamed on COVID vaccines. Even if a sick prisoner dies in a Siberian prison camp.
Besides, who is to say that Navalny wasn't an anti-vaxxer too?
See that is a well reasoned arguement. Putin had him in jail for a LONG time, why now? Just before and election, why provoke his supporters? Russia was trying to exchange him for a Russian in a German jail.
I don't know what or who killed Navalny. That's just an honest answer.
All I'm saying is that We don't know, however everyone already knew it was Putin, no?
Now, to get back to this Thread, Ukraine's top spy says it was a blood clot. Suppose that's some kind of a development.
You Vatniks deserve the leader, and hero's, you have, and excuse.
Speaking of Vatnik hero's...
Gonzalo Lira - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
"As a resident of Kharkiv, Ukraine, he vlogged about the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and was described as spreading Russian disinformation and propaganda.[8][9]
In April 2022, Lira briefly disappeared and claimed to have been detained by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU).[10][11] In May 2023 Lira was arrested and charged with producing and publishing material that attempted to justify the ongoing Russian invasion, which is illegal under Ukrainian law.[6][12] Lira was released on bail, but attempted to flee the country. He was arrested again for violating his bail conditions, and died of pneumonia in custody on January 12, 2024.[13]"
Thanks.
Shit like this happens when Uncle Vlad or Papa Stalin punishes their politically active citizens by legally sending them to Siberia. If only they had better 'Commercial Courts' eh Notty?
This is nyet prub-ly-em for Komrade Nottychuk.
It is a feature of the country, government and resultant Russky Mir society that Notty defends.
Read the Kamil Kazani article, tovarishch Nottsky. I'll help you.
In Russia, only the armed forces and - perhaps - the secret service has any real power. The people are powerless pawns. They're not going to vote Putin out or limit his power.
So Putin can kill Navalny any time as a flex, unless N has armed forces support. N didn't.
So killing Navalny last year, this year, next year is nyet importantsky. He has to die sometime, just to show that Putin has a big dick. But the time frame isn't relevant.
Pazhalsta, tovarishch.
