Pro Hamas in the west - and their adventures

Leimonis

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Frankfooter

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you can keep posting these tweets but they are all nonsense...What has Hamas done for Palestinians? Have they allowed Gaza to prosper? did they build bomb shelters for the civilians the way Israel did for their own? NO...they left civilians out in the open to protect themselves...There's no denying Oct 7 and that set all these shit in motion...
Hamas has resisted the occupation in the face of ongoing colonization and no avenue for a peaceful resolution of the 75 year occupation.
What has Israel done for peace?

Bernie Sanders calls on Biden administration to restore UNRWA funding

UN Security Council expresses concern over deteriorating conditions in Gaza


 

Valcazar

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For the ICJ to say 'desist' they would have to find Israel guilty of genocide, which was outside of their mandate. You can't tell someone to 'desist' from something you haven't ruled they've done yet. Your argument is based on a false premise. The strongest language you can use is 'prevent' without a ruling on guilt or innocence.
Right.
So you need to stop saying they told Israel to stop because they concluded they were doing this since as you yourself just pointed out, they did no such thing.

They also ruled that Israel 'shall take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the preservation of evidence related to allegations within the scope of Article II and Article III'. If they found no basis to the allegations there would be no requirement to preserve evidence.
There is a huge difference between finding a basis for the allegations and saying that's what happened.
You jumped a step.
 

mandrill

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Right.
So you need to stop saying they told Israel to stop because they concluded they were doing this since as you yourself just pointed out, they did no such thing.
There is a huge difference between finding a basis for the allegations and saying that's what happened.
You jumped a step.
This is why I don't interact with Frankie much any more. He will simply assume whatever he wants and deny facts in favour of his imaginary world.

I see he has now - once again and for the 3rd or 4th time - gone back to 7 October denialism. He must have read a really good Max Blumenthal or George Galloway "news article" a couple of hours ago.
 

Frankfooter

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Right.
So you need to stop saying they told Israel to stop because they concluded they were doing this since as you yourself just pointed out, they did no such thing.
They didn't use the word 'stop', I agree.
They reported that South Africa's case that Israel is committing genocide is 'plausible' and ordered Israel to not commit genocide, save all records, arrest inciters and repot back in 30 days. So they ordered Israel not do an act they said they are 'plausibly' committing. The only way that doesn't mean stop the genocide is if you believe that Israel is not committing genocide.

So to shack and mandrill its not stop doing anything different because they believe killing 12,000 children in 4 months is 'just war'.
To 80% of dems and most Canadians, it means stop the genocide.

The only way for you to argue it means they didn't say stop is for you to also argue that what the ICJ and a US court said is 'plausibly' happening is not happening at all.

There is a huge difference between finding a basis for the allegations and saying that's what happened.
You jumped a step.
What do you think it means when the ICJ's specific language says Israel must prevent:
(a) killing members of the group;
(b) causing serious bodily or mental har to members of the group;
(c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calcuated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

If the ICJ says Israel must stop doing those acts how is not immediately ceasing fire not a breach of the ICJ ruling?
 

Frankfooter

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This is why I don't interact with Frankie much any more. He will simply assume whatever he wants and deny facts in favour of his imaginary world.
I see that you believe everything Netanyahu and the IDF tell you and refuse to ever change your mind in the face of evidence.

Take the UNRWA, Israel says 7 people crossed out of Gaza on Oct 7, 2 of those were dead and now Israel says it was just 4 people that did anything:

The Israeli document listed 12 people, their alleged roles in the October 7 attack, job descriptions and photos. The findings detailed in the document could not be independently confirmed.

The dossier said of the 12 workers, nine were teachers and one a social worker. Seven of the employees were accused of crossing into Israel on October 7. Of those, one was accused of taking part in a kidnapping, another of helping to abduct the body of a dead soldier and three others of participating in the attacks.

One was accused of arming himself with an anti-tank missile the night before the attack, while the document claimed another took photos of a female hostage. Ten were listed as having ties to Hamas and one to the Islamic Jihad militant group.

Two of the 12 have been killed, according to the document. The UN previously said one person was still being identified.



I see he has now - once again and for the 3rd or 4th time - gone back to 7 October denialism. He must have read a really good Max Blumenthal or George Galloway "news article" a couple of hours ago.
What I find amazing is that you won't even read or consider Israeli news sources.
 
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basketcase

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Well I guess that means you should fully support ICJ and ICC investigations to get to the bottom and end all genocide on all parties.
Yet you refuse to accept the ICJ demand that Hamas release their hostages. What a surprise.
 

basketcase

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Oh so now zionists aren't jews and jews aren't zionists, but you can't differentiate hamas from Palestinians? IdF is after hamas not Palestinians but you keep crying about genocide...hamas saying they will repeat Oct 7, repeat killing civilians yet they are not the problem?
He thinks that overt double-standards are the best way to promote hatred.
 

Leimonis

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This is why I don't interact with Frankie much any more. He will simply assume whatever he wants and deny facts in favour of his imaginary world.
Their entire team has fallen into the rabbit hole
 

basketcase

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Where in the ruling do you think they said genocide was not happening?
Post the quote and link.
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Again the moronic attempts at logic. Where's the ICJ ruling that says Unicorns don't exist?

You have said repeatedly that you won't criticize Hamas until the ICJ/ICC has ruled while refusing to stop demonizing Israel until the ICJ rules (and when they do you'll just move the goalposts to some other bullshit).
 
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