Israel at war

[Frankfooter]

Those quotes LITERALLY say, that Israel is a racist state and the Palestinians have a right to self-defence.

It is clear you do not wish to engage in any meaningful discussion. I am starting to wonder if you have psychological problems.

Those quotes were where you admitted Israel is apartheid and Palestinians have a right to defend themselves and then you went on and on about how Israel is in the right and Hamas is morally wrong. Here you are still defending a colonial country you say is apartheid as commences genocidal policies.
Still.

You have called out only Hamas here, not Israeli leadership. You called for Hamas to be killed and Netanyahu to be voted out of office. You have not called for Israel to do anything more but invade Gaza, commit genocide and kill anyone they declare posthumously to be a terrorist.

Take a clear stand.

 

[Frankfooter]

Who cares. It was Hamas who started this war. Israelis have every right to defend themselves!!

Not according to 80% of Israeli Jews.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713589236094353449

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713609559368188102

 

[Klatuu]

Source of dubious ‘beheaded babies’ claim is Israeli settler leader who incited riots to ‘wipe out’ Palestinian village - The Grayzone

After an Israeli reserve soldier named David Ben Zion told a reporter Palestinian militants "cut [off] heads of babies," Biden, Netanyahu, and the international media amplified the dubious claim. The Grayzone has identified Ben Zion as a fanatical settler leader who incited riots by demanding a...

thegrayzone.com

 

[Frankfooter]

I have made my position clear. I think Israel is a racist apartheid state that oppresses Palestinians.

But I have also made it clear that it is not useful to bring up the 75 year old conflict because it is a needless exercise in finger pointing.

In this particular attack, regardless of what Israel has done in the past, the Hamas is in the wrong for mass murdering civilians in a terrorist attack - and no it was not self-defence, it is not a response to anything - it is simply an escalation of pre-existing hostilities and racist hatred for Jews. That is terrorism. There is only one way to respond to such things, it is through the use of military force. Military actions, will naturally cause enormous loss of human life and infrastructure, but since this is a response, you cannot call Israeli actions war crimes. Especially because they have not shown any intent to do so by asking civilians to move away. There is nothing more the Israelis can do in this case given Gaza is a small strip of land.

So yes, Hamas in this case needs to be neutralized and I don't think Israel should relent until they root them out completely (although due to international pressure, I think they will). Yes that means, Gaza will be razed to the ground. But it can be built back up after the Hamas is gone. There is nothing more that can be done. And yes, more people will die, but if the Hamas were worried about that, they wouldn't have attacked in the first place.

I said the same thing about the settlers. If they attacked unsuspecting Palestinians and killed them, then they deserve to be neutralized as well, because it is an act of terrorism. I have no mercy for terrorists, militants, secessionists, racist violent goons etc.,

Bibi is a horrible right winger, so he needs to be voted out. Not sure what your disagreement is there. Oh you want him sent to the Hague? Israel is not even a signatory to that kangaroo court. So that does not make sense.

I don't think my position could be clearer and I have repeated this throughout this thread.

I'll wait for another one of your dishonest, gaslighting spin posts in response to this.

You're still backing the Israeli position here, supporting their attack on Gaza and blaming Hamas for responding to a 17 year blockade, 54 year occupation, ongoing land theft and 233 settler terrorist attacks resulting in 200 deaths this year. Your response is death for Palestinians and for nothing for Netanyahu except another election.

Your position is clear, you blame Palestinians for responding to the occupation. You think Palestinians deserve death for actions you support from Israelis in Gaza right now. You won't call out Israel for genocidal policies like blocking all water, food and power.

You admit Israel is apartheid but don't even suggest anything should be done about it.

You support Israel attacking Gaza, where 50% of the population are children.

Which leaves you supporting the ongoing genocide and not calling for peace.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713544239546581307

 

[Frankfooter]

I don't blame the Palestinians. I blame Hamas. As I said, this is not a response to anything. A response to something, even a military one should be against the army, not civilians. If it is against civilians it is terrorism.

So yes, I back the Israeli response for two reasons - a) They are justified in responding with as much force as they need to. b) Hamas needs to go.

The only way the oppression and apartheid will end, is when the terrorism ends, and when Palestinians demonstrate that they want to LIVE their lives, and not focus on supporting people like the Hamas, who are intent on killing Israelis, instead of doing something for their own people.

Palestinians dying, is a consequence of Hamas' actions. So blame the party responsible, and don't unfairly shift blame to Israel.

Like I said.

You excuse Israeli terrorism, of which I've given you multiple examples, which is far worse than Hamas' terrorism and use that to justify supporting apartheid and now genocide. You support apartheid from a country that also commits terrorism and justify it as a response to terrorism by the victims.

Thank you for proving I didn't lie and can back up my claims against your views.

 

[xmontrealer]

I don't blame the Palestinians. I blame Hamas. As I said, this is not a response to anything. A response to something, even a military one should be against the army, not civilians. If it is against civilians it is terrorism.

So yes, I back the Israeli response for two reasons - a) They are justified in responding with as much force as they need to. b) Hamas needs to go.

The only way the oppression and apartheid will end, is when the terrorism ends, and when Palestinians demonstrate that they want to LIVE their lives, and not focus on supporting people like the Hamas, who are intent on killing Israelis, instead of doing something for their own people.

Palestinians dying, is a consequence of Hamas' actions. So blame the party responsible, and don't unfairly shift blame to Israel.

Unfortunately sometimes cancer lies deep in the body and very invasive surgery is required to eradicate it.

Healthy tissue gets destroyed in the process, but hopefully as little as possible.

Any cancerous cells left behind will likely multiply again and the cancer will return.

Hamas and other terrorist organizations are the cancer of the Middle East.

 

[Klatuu]

Countries voting No Confidence in Israel

The list of countries voting with their feet that they don’t have confidence in Israels ability to maintain safety. Many are reducing embassy staff..a sure sign they think things will get worse.

Israel-Gaza war: Which countries are repatriating citizens from Israel?

Which governments have organised chartered flights to help their citizens leave after Hamas attacks?

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Unfortunately sometimes cancer lies deep in the body and very invasive surgery is required to eradicate it.

Healthy tissue gets destroyed in the process, but hopefully as little as possible.

Any cancerous cells left behind will likely multiply again and the cancer will return.

Hamas and other terrorist organizations are the cancer of the Middle East.

Two problems with this way of thinking:
1) The Israeli leadership is also a cancer, see apartheid and ongoing colonization
2) As you said 'the cancer will return.'

Fighting begets more fighting.
Its not a solution.

Far better to live a healthier life that reduces the risk of cancer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712748605495193872

And what happens when the world thinks you're the cancer?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713610312102953207

 

[Not getting younger]

Countries voting No Confidence in Israel

The list of countries voting with their feet that they don’t have confidence in Israels ability to maintain safety. Many are reducing embassy staff..a sure sign they think things will get worse.

Israel-Gaza war: Which countries are repatriating citizens from Israel?

Which governments have organised chartered flights to help their citizens leave after Hamas attacks?

www.aljazeera.com

lol. It’s called being smart ( unlike some here) and getting out of danger. Something all countries do at all times. Kinda of like getting out of a helicopter that’s been damaged and on fire because someone thought they succeeded and good and didn’t finish the job.

Something I’m not sure you’ve realized Israel is going to do.

 

[xmontrealer]

Two problems with this way of thinking:
1) The Israeli leadership is also a cancer, see apartheid and ongoing colonization
2) As you said 'the cancer will return.'

Fighting begets more fighting.
Its not a solution.

Far better to live a healthier life that reduces the risk of cancer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712748605495193872

And what happens when the world thinks you're the cancer?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713610312102953207

I agree to the extent that the present Israel leadership has to be replaced by people willing to negotiate with the Palestinians in good faith to try to achieve a mutually acceptable and peaceful 2 state solution.

 

[Frankfooter]

I agree to the extent that the present Israel leadership has to be replaced by people willing to negotiate with the Palestinians in good faith to try to achieve a mutually acceptable and peaceful 2 state solution.

Thank you for voicing support of a peace plan.

 

[Frankfooter]

Israeli response to Hamas' attack is not terrorism. That is a ridiculous accusation.

No, its what is happening.
Every apartment building that is bombed is terrorism, its a civilian target.
Every school and every hospital, they are all civilian targets. That's terrorism.

Each of these structures listed here are civilian.
Each one targeted is terrorism.

This is terrorism as well.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712911792106602608

 

[Not getting younger]

Cean

Two problems with this way of thinking:
1) The Israeli leadership is also a cancer, see apartheid and ongoing colonization
2) As you said 'the cancer will return.'

Fighting begets more fighting.
Its not a solution.

Far better to live a healthier life that reduces the risk of cancer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712748605495193872

And what happens when the world thinks you're the cancer?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713610312102953207

Frank, what don’t you understand. Klatuu we know is a Hamas supporter/sympathizer.

The world does not support that or you.( a whopping 36 replies to that???) The world is against terrorism or have you not been around the last 30 years? When many places themselves have been victims of terrorism…


It’s not about Supporting Israel’s bad choices/war crimes. It’s not about not being sympathetic to Palestinians who want nothing to do with it. A ton of Israelis don’t want to eat rockets for breakfast either.

You have not addressed this once. Not once. All you can do is harp on occupation.

But for them to do that, they need to have confidence that the other party will hold on to their end of the bargain

See 1967 when they fought 3 Arab armies. Conquered them. And seized land as a consequence of Arabs not keeping a peace agreement. Deal with it.

See yet another attempt at peace and Palestinians breaking it by imparting arms, and Hamas using terrorism. Consequences.
a fence and everything since by both sides. Deal with it.

knows it fruitless Frank doesn’t answer when he gets uncomfortable ( well ever really)

 

[Frankfooter]

Israel is the more empowered nation to bring about peace, sure. But for them to do that, they need to have confidence that the other party will hold on to their end of the bargain. Hamas provides very little confidence that they will do so.

You can't justify an illegal occupation, apartheid and genocide on your feelies about the 'confidence' you have that your victims might be mad at you.
That's the wife beater's defence.

Apartheid and the occupation are illegal war crimes that must be ended.
Regardless of your views of the Palestinian people.
There is no justification and certainly not one based on the attitudes of the victims.

 

[Frankfooter]

Cean


Frank, what don’t you understand. Klatuu we know is a Hamas supporter/sympathizer.

The world does not support that or you. The world is against terrorism or have you not been around the last 30 years?
It’s not about Supporting Israel’s bad choices/war crimes. It’s not about not being sympathetic to Palestinians who want nothing to do with it.

You have not addressed this once. Not once. All you can do is harp on occupation.



See 1967 when they fought 3 Arab armies. Conquered them. And seized land as a consequence of Arabs not keeping a peace agreement. Deal with it.

See yet another attempt at peace and Palastiniamd breaking it by imparting arms, and Hamas using terrorism. Consequences.
a fence and everything since by both sides.

knows it fruitless Frank doesn’t answer when he gets uncomfortable ( we’ll ever really)

What you don't understand is that Canadians want Israel held to the same standards legally as Hamas.
The views of the Israeli supporters here are of a loud and small minority.

 

[Frankfooter]

They are all fair game in war. Terrorists hide in those buildings and therefore they are all military targets.

No, that's terrorism.
You can't make up rules.
Targeting civilians and infrastructure is terrorism.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713418630933995584

 

[Frankfooter]

Hamas are not victims. They are terrorists.

You can be both.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713128530395930855

 

[Not getting younger]

Maybe this will help him. Go back through the last 40 so tweets. Check how many in the world on twitter follow or like said “arguments”.

As for his latest “infrastructure”. I’m guessing he’s never war documentaries or read books. Battle of Britain, images of France, Belgium, Germany…etc.

It’s called war Frank.
Be grateful imo, they put up with terrorism for decades before saying enough.

 

[Frankfooter]

They are not targeting civilians. They are targeting buildings with terrorists, which makes them military targets. Every country does the same in war.

No, every country doesn't do this.
Russia does this and now Putin is a war criminal.

You can't just bomb hospitals and declare you thought there was a terrorist there.

 

[Frankfooter]

Maybe this will help him. Go back through the last 40 so tweets. Check how many in the world on twitter follow or like said “arguments”.

As for his latest “infrastructure”. I’m guessing he’s never war documentaries or read books. Battle of Britain, images of France, Belgium, Germany…etc.

It’s called war Frank.
Be grateful imo, they put up with terrorism for decades before saying enough.

Its not a war, its an illegal occupation and the indigenous population is resisting the occupation.
Both sides are committing terrorism and both should be taken to the Hague.
But its not a war, Jonathan Cook calls it a 'slave revolt'.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713473965140656326