Can you give an example with a link to a Liberal politician who has fought like hell against law and order please?
Who Could Have Seen This Coming? All Over America, Blue Cities Are Facing A Severe Shortage Of Police Officers
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Simple question.
Why do you need a specific example?
Would it not be fair to suggest, this topic, like economics, and many others is anything but simple and linear, Black or White? And as such, “speaking” in generalities, using broad brush strokes, being capable, able and willing to think spatially is better……
Could I not for example ask you for specific examples of right wing politicians or people in the electorate fighting against helping the less fortunate?
And let’s just say I did that, and you did that. Would it not then devolve into tit/tat, and you trying to prove. You are right.
Rather than what is right?
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Your kidding right. Just look at the righties spending bills and what they are doing to social programs. There are your specific examples.
You’re kidding right? Just look at Ontario Canada. Provincial and federal debt and deficits, what they spend on, what they don’t. And what 7 million people in the electorate who are predominantly left of center, yell for. See also a soft on crime justice system, knee jerk reactions about gun controls, gangs guns, revolving door bail system, and yelling about police brutality.
I rest my case.
I see, so you don't have a link to a specific example as opposed to a Conservative/Right Wing talking point, gotcha!
As for your question, let me see, hmmmm......I will focus on the Harper conservative government although the Mike Harris era would surely have a treasure trove of links but for the sake of time, I'll leave it here and answer your question even though you slipped and slid away with gibberish answering mine.
Canada's real barbarism? Stephen Harper’s dismembering of the country | Martin Lukacs
Martin Lukacs: The Conservative government is wiping away everything vital about Canada’s society and environment. They must be voted out
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Harper’s greatest success in hampering the state from serving Canadians has been to strip it of its most important resource: taxes. Continuing a Liberal legacy, Harper’s cuts to taxes – GST, corporate and personal – have enriched corporations and denied the state a stunning $45 billion a year in revenue. This has deliberately starved the ability of this government – and of future ones – to pay for public services and address inequality or climate change. Such policies have reduced the country to depression-era divisions: Canada’s wealthiest 86 people now own as much as the 11.4 million poorest.
What welfare Harper has denied Canadians he has not spared the tar sands barons. His great fixation has been to elevate them to unparalleled influence, turning the state into a servant of their industry: granting them billions in handouts, the chance to write legislation, and the use of state officials as spies, spin-masters and overseas salesmen. This new character of the state has disfigured the environment beyond just the climate-torching tar sands: from the razing of the boreal forest to the opening of our water systems to privatization, from the extension of oil prospecting in the Arctic to the refusal to list our most endangered species.
I'll just throw this one in too for good measure because we know the right love doing this shit...VOTER SUPRESSION with PEE PEE at the helm.
Harper government's "leap of logic" to justify voter suppression
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What's driving Oakland's insane crime wave?
If it takes 19 minutes for the police to show up, you don’t have rule of law.
"The Criminals are the Saviors, and the Victims, We’re the Criminals.”
"If you ask my neighbors, who are black, they would say, "A lot more police". I want to be able to pick up the phone, call 911 and get a car as quickly as they do in Berkley"
But then again...
"If somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike… that’s reparations" So righteous
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www.onenewspage.com
Amazing how this video keeps getting deleted from facebook & reddit.
If it takes 19 minutes for the police to show up, you don’t have rule of law.
"The Criminals are the Saviors, and the Victims, We’re the Criminals.”
"If you ask my neighbors, who are black, they would say, "A lot more police". I want to be able to pick up the phone, call 911 and get a car as quickly as they do in Berkley"
But then again...
"If somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike… that’s reparations" So righteous
.
BLM Justifying Looting As Reparations
BLM organizer in Chicago: "If somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike… that’s reparations." Watch.
www.onenewspage.com
Amazing how this video keeps getting deleted from facebook & reddit.
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They need to hire more dispatchers and this has been a problem in Oakland for 10 years or more.
But money for dispatchers means less money for cops.
So does more $ for A B or C…
To put it into perspective we might appreciate. More $ for bike lanes, means less $$ for cops or dispatchers. More $$ for teachers, means less for EA/ECEs and all others. Or Nurses/PSWs and or vice versa. Plus whatever else people and politicians want to spend on.
The more debt, the less for all of them. Unless we just keep going deeper into debt.
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When was the last time you saw cops bellying aching for more $$. Or safer classrooms, or having to deal with unruly people, never mind 6 and 16 year old brats. Or about unsafe conditions and unsanitary people during Covid. In the media for your vote and attention from politicians? Or whining about having to be vaccinated, and how unfair it is to be a nurse in the media for your sympathy….etc, ad nauseum.
Answer: never
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You need help with logic apparently.
You can't rip something to shreds if it doesn't exist.
I appreciate the fact that in your attempt to define society you misspelled it three times in a row. Well done.
In discussions like this 'society' is not typically used to define groups of people with specific terms. You might talk of all of 'society' being all Canadians, but most people wouldn't say they are talking about the 'poor society'. Which is why I was asking you to define the terms of the subgroup you were discussing, which you didn't or couldn't do. I'm just trying to understand your posts.
And less money for cops is 'defunding'.
Same with spending more on social workers to respond to appropriate 911 calls.
Then the right says they are 'soft on crime'.
“Right” Franky, if you say so. I gave you three separate definitions, and the quote in question. Figure it out. Context and comprehension way above you.
As you just said, in your own words. There might be sub groups, within a society, that for this reason or that, you want to isolate or highlight. Don't think much do you…
Maybe it’s you that should have been clearer, either with your nonsensical and illogical GC comment ( if something if almost non existent how do you rip it up) …The US has never really had GC. In order for something to be torn to shreds it has to exist in the first place….Doh! Please point to the era, they tore what little GC they have to shreds………
Here’s another definition for you. Logical fallacy
“A fallacy, also known as paralogia in modern psychology, is the use of invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning in the construction of an argument that may appear to be well-reasoned if unnoticed.”
Or your purported question..
I’ll stick with “all the above”
As you just said, in your own words. There might be sub groups, within a society, that for this reason or that, you want to isolate or highlight. Don't think much do you…
Maybe it’s you that should have been clearer, either with your nonsensical and illogical GC comment ( if something if almost non existent how do you rip it up) …The US has never really had GC. In order for something to be torn to shreds it has to exist in the first place….Doh! Please point to the era, they tore what little GC they have to shreds………
Here’s another definition for you. Logical fallacy
“A fallacy, also known as paralogia in modern psychology, is the use of invalid or otherwise faulty reasoning in the construction of an argument that may appear to be well-reasoned if unnoticed.”
Or your purported question..
I’ll stick with “all the above”
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Let’s see if I can nudge this back towards the topic.
All numbers/comments hereafter approximate generalized lest someone try to find a wee bone to gnaw on.
The MTPS (city population 2.9 million)
Hmmmmmmm
We can make the observation that in Canada we pour $$$ into certain things that they don’t. We can also make the observation despite similar populations and say revenue streams. One doesn’t get nearly the same funding for those on the front lines.
And lastly, while dated (2012) violent crime has gotten worse since 2014. How do we compare against some US cities?
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All numbers/comments hereafter approximate generalized lest someone try to find a wee bone to gnaw on.
The MTPS (city population 2.9 million)
The CPD Chicago (city population 2.6 million)The Toronto Police Service (TPS)is the police service for Toronto. The TPS has approximately 7,600 full-time and part-time uniform and civilian members including front-line police officers, criminal investigators, community response officers, parking enforcement officers, communications operators, court officers, civilian specialists and support staff
Gun controls. Arguably similar
Hmmmmmmm
We can make the observation that in Canada we pour $$$ into certain things that they don’t. We can also make the observation despite similar populations and say revenue streams. One doesn’t get nearly the same funding for those on the front lines.
And lastly, while dated (2012) violent crime has gotten worse since 2014. How do we compare against some US cities?
Crime rates in the largest U.S. cities: how does Toronto compare? | Globalnews.ca
How does Toronto's violent crime rate compare to the top 10 largest cities in the United States?
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So this worsening of violence commenced under a Harper Conservative government?
And lastly, while dated (2012) violent crime has gotten worse since 2014. How do we compare against some US cities?
Crime rates in the largest U.S. cities: how does Toronto compare? | Globalnews.ca
How does Toronto's violent crime rate compare to the top 10 largest cities in the United States?
As with most things, it’s rarely any one thing.
-Around then Wynne changed some funding away from gangs and guns. Shit happens when you spend Willy nilly and are up to your eyeballs in debt.
-Around then, and prior to lots of places in Ontario were hit hefty job losses and that old socioeconomic stuff that many say is so an important part of the equation. But turned blind eyes to.
-Around then ( 2012) the price for housing started to explode. Some or many criminologists will also point at population density. Makes sense, the tighter humans are packed in like sardines….
-Shortly after minimum sentences for numerous violent crimes were done away with.
Mandatory Sentences for Firearm Offences - The impact of mandatory minimum sentences (continued) - Mandatory Minimum Penalties: Their Effects on Crime, Sentencing Disparities, and Justice System Expenditures
This report aims to assess the effects of mandatory minimum sentences (MMS) through a review of relevant social science and legal literature. It focuses on the utilitarian, as opposed to the retributive or denunciatory aims of MMS.
-Shortly after bail conditions were relaxed
Overview of Bill C-75 - Legislative Background: An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Youth Criminal Justice Act and other Acts and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as enacted (Bill C-75 in the 42nd Parliament)
Legislative Background: An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Youth Criminal Justice Act and other Acts and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as enacted (Bill C-75 in the 42nd Parliament)
-Shortly after the cities population really exploded. Did front line troops?
I’m fairly sure there’s more to it, but……
odd that, our violent crime rates per capita is actually worse than many US cities.
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I see, hmmmmAs with most things, it’s rarely any one thing.
-Around then Wynne changed some funding away from gangs and guns. Shit happens when you spend Willy nilly and are up to your eyeballs in debt.
-Around then, and prior to lots of places in Ontario were hit hefty job losses and that old socioeconomic stuff that many say is so an important part of the equation. But turned blind eyes to.
-Around then ( 2012) the price for housing started to explode. Some or many criminologists will also point at population density. Makes sense, the tighter humans are packed in like sardines….
-Shortly after minimum sentences for numerous violent crimes were done away with.
Mandatory Sentences for Firearm Offences - The impact of mandatory minimum sentences (continued) - Mandatory Minimum Penalties: Their Effects on Crime, Sentencing Disparities, and Justice System Expenditures
This report aims to assess the effects of mandatory minimum sentences (MMS) through a review of relevant social science and legal literature. It focuses on the utilitarian, as opposed to the retributive or denunciatory aims of MMS.www.justice.gc.ca
-Shortly after bail conditions were relaxed
Overview of Bill C-75 - Legislative Background: An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Youth Criminal Justice Act and other Acts and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as enacted (Bill C-75 in the 42nd Parliament)
Legislative Background: An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Youth Criminal Justice Act and other Acts and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, as enacted (Bill C-75 in the 42nd Parliament)
-Shortly after the cities population really exploded. Did front line troops?
I’m fairly sure there’s more to it, but……
odd that, our violent crime rates per capita is actually worse than many US cities.
More funding to combat guns and gangs in Ontario
The federal government has announced $11-million in funding over two years for Ontario to combat gun and gang violence.
windsor.ctvnews.ca
More funding to combat guns and gangs in Ontario
The federal government has announced $11-million in funding over two years for Ontario to combat gun and gang violence.
windsor.ctvnews.ca
So it wasn't Justin responsible for the housing crisis?? The explosion started under the Harper government?
