China’s full collapse has begun

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Birth rates below 1 child per female in urban areas, half as many 5yr olds as 10. They import 80% of their energy and are the worlds largest food importer. China has taken the second step in the five finger death punch.
I agree that China has certain structural problems but they take a long term view and they are not constrained to the same extent by politics and polarization.
 
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Basically the same thing is happening in Canada but I don't hear you scream the end is near.

They will experience difficulties but will be fine.
Canada is a technically sophisticated first world economy tightly linked to the largest economy in the world. Canada has many issues, none fatal.
 

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The world is turning away from China, they’ve proven a predatory trading partner, they also have not climed the value chain. Italy just departed the Belt and Road project. Japan has threaded the demographic needle by moving manufacturing to consuming countries and keeping the highest value activities domestic. China doesn’t have the skills to pull this off.
China possess much of the rare earth metals necessary for EV batteries, semiconductors, micro and nano technologies and robotics which Japan depends on as do other countries like Taiwan,the EU and American. China often leverages this dependence on nations, especially Japan. China lacks many skills but hedges with their many assets and is essentially America’s banker holding over a trillion dollars in the US reserve. The US depends on China to keep on making deposits.
Italy is a sort of basket case economy with frequent collapsing governments.
 

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I agree that China has certain structural problems but they take a long term view and they are not contained to the same extent by politics and polarization.
The long term view is the scary view, there won’t be enough people to keep the economy growing and support an aging population.

The yellow in the below demographic graph are the 100,000,000 china admits to over reporting. The most recent revision was 5yr olds behind half of 10yr olds.
 

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Canada is a technically sophisticated first world economy tightly linked to the largest economy in the world. Canada has many issues, none fatal.
That's a nice way of saying Canada is America's b*tch. 😁

China's economy dwarfs Canada's.
 

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The long term view is the scary view, there won’t be enough people to keep the economy growing and support an aging population.

The yellow in the below demographic graph are the 100,000,000 china admits to over reporting. The most recent revision was 5yr olds behind half of 10yr olds.
I agree with the demographics etc. and the structural problems it creates but China is in the very early innings of transforming itself onto a more consumer driven economy. Will they be successful? Time will tell.
 

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Italy is a sort of basket case economy with frequent collapsing governments.
A basket case economy, is that why the mechanics of Porsche are designed in Torino? Italians also prefer to travel by train than by air, their train network will soon reach Copenhagen. You must be confusing Italy with Brexit UK.

The Frecciarossa was partially developed by Bombardier.

 

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I agree with the demographics etc. and the structural problems it creates but China is in the very early innings of transforming itself onto a more consumer driven economy. Will they be successful? Time will tell.
To transform yourself into a consumer economy you need…. Consumers. They won’t have them, that’s the real issue. 20s-40s work and spend money buying houses, having kids… and drive and economy - they will be missing. There will however be plenty of really old people who need to be taken care of.
 

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A basket case economy, is that why the mechanics of Porsche are designed in Torino? Italians also prefer to travel by train than by air, their train network will soon reach Copenhagen. You must be confusing Italy with Brexit UK.

The Frecciarossa was partially developed by Bombardier.

GDP Per Capita in Italy has flatlined since 2007.
 

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To transform yourself into a consumer economy you need…. Consumers. They won’t have them, that’s the real issue. 20s-40s work and spend money buying houses, having kids… and drive and economy - they will be missing. There will however be plenty of really old people who need to be taken care of.
China's problem in a nutshell.
Reversing the one child policy won't be easy. A grand son who has to take care of 2 parents + 4 grand parents will not have many kids.

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To transform yourself into a consumer economy you need…. Consumers. They won’t have them, that’s the real issue. 20s-40s work and spend money buying houses, having kids… and drive and economy - they will be missing. There will however be plenty of really old people who need to be taken care of.
You underestimate the ability of the government to influence economic and social policy.
 

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A basket case economy, is that why the mechanics of Porsche are designed in Torino? Italians also prefer to travel by train than by air, their train network will soon reach Copenhagen. You must be confusing Italy with Brexit UK.

The Frecciarossa was partially developed by Bombardier.

Italy has significant manufacturing prowess and engineering skills but also significant GDP problems, historically unstable governments , ultra high youth unemployment for those under 30 and so much junk bonds.
 
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A couple of points:

1) I heard the 1 child policy never really worked in the rural ares.
2) Many advanced economies are de-populating. Canada is filling the void with immigration, Japan is not.
 

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Sorry but the G7 is not the World.

Many, if not most emerging economies are strategically linked to China, while also rejecting US and Euro influences.
I’d say the US, EU, Japan, India, Australia, South Korea represent a pretty significant market of countries currently looking to contain China.
 

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Add to this
China's problem in a nutshell.
Reversing the one child policy won't be easy. A grand son who has to take care of 2 parents + 4 grand parents will not have many kids.

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Add to this 20% of youth that should be starting their careers can’t find a job.
 
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