Why Car Dependency Is Keeping You Poor

[JohnLarue]

You think because cars are stolen somehow proves the point that we need cars? it's true. Cars get stolen. But that doesn't mean they are necessary.

Cars get stolen means they have value
the value is generally because they are necessary

Would your life end or be put in jeopardy without a car?

if i or someone i cared for needed medical attention in a hurry

Unlike food, water and shelter, it is not essential. It might make your daily life a little harder, take longer to get to work or shop,

next to impossible for some who make their living via a vehicle

your clown of a leader Justin Trudeau seems to need a whole fleet of cars
he does not even drive

but remember, our ancestors didn't have cars and for most of history, access to horses

.
remember our ancestors would be damn lucky to live to 45 years old and would have watched half of their kids die before puberty.
they did not have indoor plumbing , central heating, refrigeration, access to doctors, dentist & they performed back breaking labor from dawn till dusk and still struggled to put food on the table

you would not last six months without fossil fuels

Do cars make things more convenient? Of course. But again, you really do not need a car. It isn't lefty or righty propaganda to state a fact.

too bad that 'you really do not need a car.' is not a fact, it is an opinion, your opinion and a biased one at that (likely driven by a lonney left agenda)

if you do not want to own a car that is your business, knock your self out waiting in a snow drift with your kids for the next late bus
but you do not get to proclaim what others do or do not need

And let's face another fact: thieves will steal anything, even things that do not really have value. Cars do have value, obviously. Nobody is saying they don't.

thieves will steal anything, some are not too bright
but car thieves steal cars

Cars get stolen means they have value
the value is generally because they are necessary

how about you worry about you & let others decide what is and is not necessary for them

simple question
why does the looney left find it necessary to control others?

 

[Anbarandy]

vehicles
Cars get stolen means they have value
the value is generally because they are necessary

Art, jewelry, crypto coins, pets and heirlooms also have value.

They are not necessary, but are stolen a lot too.

 

[Anbarandy]

too bad that 'you really do not need a car.' is not a fact, it is an opinion, your opinion and a biased one at that (likely driven by a lonney left agenda)

if you do not want to own a car that is your business, knock your self out waiting in a snow drift with your kids for the next late bus
but you do not get to proclaim what others do or do not need

Real solid knockout punch.

 

[Anbarandy]

thieves will steal anything, some are not too bright
but car thieves steal cars

Art thieves steal art, pet thieves steal pets, cat burglars, well you know, they steal cats.

 

[JohnLarue]

Art, jewelry, crypto coins, pets and heirlooms also have value.

They are not necessary, but are stolen a lot too.

well then i guess you will have proclaim everybody should do without Art, jewelry, crypto coins, pets and heirlooms

oh wait . i think they tried something similar in 2oth century Russia
it did not work out very well

you do not think before you post

how is your anarchy business going comrade ?

 

[silentkisser]

Cars get stolen means they have value
the value is generally because they are necessary

Lots of things are valuable bu not necessary. Do you need gold jewelry or diamonds? No, they are valuable, frequently stolen, but are totally not necessary.

if i or someone i cared for needed medical attention in a hurry

So....you would rather drive to a hospital than call for an ambulance which can provide care and treatment for everything ranging from a broken leg to cardiac arrest? I mean, you could call an Uber or taxi fairly easily.

next to impossible for some who make their living via a vehicle

your clown of a leader Justin Trudeau seems to need a whole fleet of cars
he does not even drive

Is that how we're moving the goal posts today? The point I'm making is that you or I, people who do not make a living via a vehicle, do not need a car because it is not a necessity. I'm not a taxi, truck or bus driver. And I should also point out that I'm not against car ownership.

As for Trudeau, what the fuck does this have to do with him? I mean, here's a shocker: virtually no government leader drives themselves. Hell, apparently ex-Presidents are still driven by the secret service. Is this just you throwing all the shit at the wall and seeing what sticks?

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remember our ancestors would be damn lucky to live to 45 years old and would have watched half of their kids die before puberty.
they did not have indoor plumbing , central heating, refrigeration, access to doctors, dentist & they performed back breaking labor from dawn till dusk and still struggled to put food on the table

you would not last six months without fossil fuels

Where did I say anything about banning fossil fuels? Again, moving goal posts. Considering the majority of Canadians use natural gas to heat our homes, this is a pretty stupid thing to bring up. But not surprising...

too bad that 'you really do not need a car.' is not a fact, it is an opinion, your opinion and a biased one at that (likely driven by a lonney left agenda)

if you do not want to own a car that is your business, knock your self out waiting in a snow drift with your kids for the next late bus
but you do not get to proclaim what others do or do not need

First, I would love to know what a lonney left agenda entails. But, when you consider what is actually a necessity for life, a car does not really enter into it, with the exception of people who live in their cars. It is not shelter, it does not feed you and it does not give you water. Those are the necessities of life. Now, would just having those be a boring existence? Yes. But the point of this thread was that cars are money guzzling items. If you live in a place where all your requirements were met (housing, employment, shopping, entertainment), and there was a decent transit system, a car is not at all needed.

thieves will steal anything, some are not too bright
but car thieves steal cars

Cars get stolen means they have value
the value is generally because they are necessary

So....you're repeating basically what you wrote at the beginning of this thread. Car thieves steal cars. Sure. They have value. But so do a lot of other things. It, again, does not mean they are necessary. I mean, gold is valuable, but you can't eat it. And I would argue that gold is more valuable because it, for the most part, can be fairly easily traded for food or shelter....

how about you worry about you & let others decide what is and is not necessary for them

simple question
why does the looney left find it necessary to control others?

I guess I'll answer this like this: why does the radical right not have the ability to read and comprehend things. Where did I say anything about forcing people to give up cars? Or move into a 15-minute city? Or, actually do anything? Plus, projection is a hell of a thing...

The left is not about controlling anyone. It's about making our society work better for everyone, not just the affluent or powerful. That does appear to be something the radical right doesn't like. Being inconvenienced is just a bridge too far...Like calling someone by their chosen name. Yet they seem to have no issue remembering when a woman changes her last name to her husbands....

 

[JohnLarue]

Lots of things are valuable bu not necessary. Do you need gold jewelry or diamonds? No, they are valuable, frequently stolen, but are totally not necessary.

the internet is not necessary
you should give it up

your need to control other behavior's is not necessary
you should give it up

So....you would rather drive to a hospital than call for an ambulance which can provide care and treatment for everything ranging from a broken leg to cardiac arrest? I mean, you could call an Uber or taxi fairly easily.

A friends mom had a heart attack , after waiting for an ambulance for 40 mins , her husband drover her to the hospital

Is that how we're moving the goal posts today? The point I'm making is that you or I, people who do not make a living via a vehicle, do not need a car because it is not a necessity. I'm not a taxi, truck or bus driver. And I should also point out that I'm not against car ownership.

since you do not seem to be cluing in, i will high level it for you
it is none of your damn business whether other people need a vehicle

As for Trudeau, what the fuck does this have to do with him? I mean, here's a shocker: virtually no government leader drives themselves. Hell, apparently ex-Presidents are still driven by the secret service. Is this just you throwing all the shit at the wall and seeing what sticks?

yet they are ones pushing reduced vehicle use
are you that slow you do not see the hypocrisy

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Where did I say anything about banning fossil fuels? Again, moving goal posts. Considering the majority of Canadians use natural gas to heat our homes, this is a pretty stupid thing to bring up. But not surprising...

please do not pretend there is no agenda behind your proclamation others do not need a vehicle

First, I would love to know what a lonney left agenda entails.

try the mirror

But, when you consider what is actually a necessity for life, a car does not really enter into it, with the exception of people who live in their cars.

for you
but you do not get to decide what is right for others
your need to control other behavior's is not necessary
you should give it up

The left is not about controlling anyone.

bullshit

It's about making our society work better for everyone, not just the affluent or powerful.

that's the theory, in practice it always boils down to the left controlling others
ban firearms, control what is viewed on the internet, tax the rich, regulate this industry, put a different industry out of business
force a business to pay a wage regardless of profitability
force others to use ridiculous pronouns etc. (compelled speech) , cancel others who may have a different view
ban fertilizer use
etc, etc , etc

next you will be proclaiming air travel is not necessary

That does appear to be something the radical right doesn't like. Being inconvenienced is just a bridge too far...Like calling someone by their chosen name. Yet they seem to have no issue remembering when a woman changes her last name to her husbands....

it is other peoples choice
your need to control other behavior's is not necessary
you should give it up

 

[Anbarandy]

the internet is not necessary
you should give it up

your need to control other behavior's is not necessary
you should give it up



A friends mom had a heart attack , after waiting for an ambulance for 40 mins , her husband drover her to the hospital




since you do not seem to be cluing in, i will high level it for you
it is none of your damn business whether other people need a vehicle





yet they are ones pushing reduced vehicle use
are you that slow you do not see the hypocrisy

.


please do not pretend there is no agenda behind your proclamation others do not need a vehicle




try the mirror


for you
but you do not get to decide what is right for others
your need to control other behavior's is not necessary
you should give it up




bullshit


that's the theory, in practice it always boils down to the left controlling others
ban firearms, control what is viewed on the internet, tax the rich, regulate this industry, put a different industry out of business
force a business to pay a wage regardless of profitability
force others to use ridiculous pronouns etc. (compelled speech) , cancel others who may have a different view
ban fertilizer use
etc, etc , etc

next you will be proclaiming air travel is not necessary




it is other peoples choice
your need to control other behavior's is not necessary
you should give it up

You still at it?

Stop embarrassing yourself, you've been obliterated.

 

[silentkisser]

the internet is not necessary
you should give it up

your need to control other behavior's is not necessary
you should give it up

Projection is a hell of a drug, ain't it. I have no need to control anything. Love your car, sell it, I really don't give a fuck. I'm not telling you to do anything, just maybe explain reality outside of the right-wing echo chamber. But your inability understand simple things is becoming tiresome and in many ways shocking.

A friends mom had a heart attack , after waiting for an ambulance for 40 mins , her husband drover her to the hospital

I hope she's alright. And in occasions like this, having a car would be helpful. But lets face a fact here: you're dragging this into the weeds with anecdotal evidence. Is this your proof that a car is a necessity? Because there are hundred of thousands, if not millions, of Canadians who don't have one. They could call a cab or an Uber is that situation. And the average response time in Toronto is about 8 minutes. Now.....was your friend's mom in Toronto? Because the point I was making was that living in a big city (or at least certain neighbourhoods) do not require a car. But if she lived in a rural area....your argument makes even less sense...

since you do not seem to be cluing in, i will high level it for you
it is none of your damn business whether other people need a vehicle

And because reading comprehension seems like a foreign concept to you...I never said it was. I never said you can't have a car. I never said anything like that in the first place. But, please, keep projecting or believing alternate facts....

yet they are ones pushing reduced vehicle use
are you that slow you do not see the hypocrisy

Dude....seriously.
.

please do not pretend there is no agenda behind your proclamation others do not need a vehicle

I have no agenda. I am realistic about things. I've had commutes that lasted over an hour. It sucked massively. I've also lived where my work was either a really short subway ride or walk. It was much better. That's the point. No agenda. But I can't help you with your paranoid delusions....

for you
but you do not get to decide what is right for others
your need to control other behavior's is not necessary
you should give it up

I seem to recall the right placing controls on others behaviour, which you may have cheered for...Things like stripping away a woman's right in the US to have an abortion. And yes, society does decide what is right for others. Ever hear of the social contract? In ancient Greece they did pederasty. It was considered normal and celebrated. That was once considered "right." But we evolve. And things change. It used to be executable to discriminate against people because of race or religion. And there were a lot of people who were against that. But society changes, and we adopted new ways of acting that were considered "right." You may be railing against progress, like your many conservative brethren, but eventually we move forward.

bullshit


that's the theory, in practice it always boils down to the left controlling others
ban firearms, control what is viewed on the internet, tax the rich, regulate this industry, put a different industry out of business
force a business to pay a wage regardless of profitability
force others to use ridiculous pronouns etc. (compelled speech) , cancel others who may have a different view
ban fertilizer use
etc, etc , etc

next you will be proclaiming air travel is not necessary

Dude....So you think a business can stiff workers? That is pure conservative theory right there...In many ways you are just crazy and make no sense. Of course the government regulates things because the concept that the free market will choose the "right" course of action has been proven time and time again to be bullshit. Companies treat employees, the environment and customers horribly. And conservative governments have imposed their fair share of regulations on things, so cry me fucking river...
[/quote]

it is other peoples choice
your need to control other behavior's is not necessary
you should give it up

Projecting....ya hate to see it, yet you show it soooo often. Adults realize that we don't always get to make choices. Like how people want to be addressed. But since you continue to make childish arguments, I can see why this might be lost on you...

 

[JohnLarue]

You still at it?

Stop embarrassing yourself, you've been obliterated.

no one asked you

how is your anarchy business doing, comrade ?

 

[JohnLarue]

Projection is a hell of a drug, ain't it. I have no need to control anything.

i do not believe you

Love your car, sell it, I really don't give a fuck. I'm not telling you to do anything,

multiple posts detailing your opinion why others do not need a vehicle says otherwise

But your inability understand simple things is becoming tiresome and in many ways shocking.

you get pissy when you are told to mind your own business & stop trying to control others

I hope she's alright. And in occasions like this, having a car would be helpful.

actually having a car was necessary
car ownership is not a spur of the moment decision

But lets face a fact here: you're dragging this into the weeds with anecdotal evidence. Is this your proof that a car is a necessity?

But lets face a fact, you desperately want to impose your personal decision onto others

there is a world of difference between
stating you have determined you do not need a vehicle
vs.
stating, other people do not need a vehicle because you do not need a vehicle

you are a climate alarmist from word go , so please do not pretend that you do not have an agenda here

Because there are hundred of thousands, if not millions, of Canadians who don't have one. They could call a cab or an Uber is that situation. And the average response time in Toronto is about 8 minutes. Now.....was your friend's mom in Toronto? Because the point I was making was that living in a big city (or at least certain neighbourhoods) do not require a car. .

#1.
how many cars in canada 2023 - Google Search

The total number of road motor vehicles registered in Canada increased to 26.2 million in 2021, up 1.9% over 2020. At 24.1 million, light-duty vehicles accounted for 9 out of every 10 motor vehicles registered in 2021, with passenger cars remaining the most common type

#2
how many people in canada 2021 - Google Search
38.25 million (2021)

so roughly 1.4 Canadians for every vehicle

but you know better ??
i do not think so

But if she lived in a rural area....your argument makes even less sense..

if she lived in a rural area why would car ownership makes less sense?????
a vehicle is an absolute necessity in a rural area

you should not be telling others what is necessary for them

And because reading comprehension seems like a foreign concept to you...I never said it was. I never said you can't have a car. I never said anything like that in the first place. But, please, keep projecting or believing alternate facts....

you are a climate alarmist from word go , so please do not pretend that you do not have an agenda here

I have no agenda. I am realistic about things.

bullshit
if you had a hint of realism you would know your experience is not applicable to others
if you were realistic about things, you would know you can not control other people
if you were realistic about things, you would be questioning the climate alarmism

I've had commutes that lasted over an hour. It sucked massively. I've also lived where my work was either a really short subway ride or walk. It was much better. That's the point. No agenda. But I can't help you with your paranoid delusions....

you are a climate alarmist from word go , so please do not pretend that you do not have an agenda here

I seem to recall the right placing controls on others behaviour, which you may have cheered for...Things like stripping away a woman's right in the US to have an abortion.

oh, so it really is about control then
and now you think you can justify your control via the exceptionally divisive abortion issue

there are two sides to the abortion issue & both can make sound logical rational arguments in defence of their respective positions
my view is it is an unresolvable quagmire and exceptionally divisive
so it is pointless to argue one way or the other & thus i respect each individuals position

you on the other hand will spend the rest of your days pushing your uncompromising view onto others
it is what you do

And yes, society does decide what is right for others.

you do not speak for society
see above, there is a registered vehicle for every 1,4 Canadians, so society does not agree wit you

Ever hear of the social contract? In ancient Greece they did pederasty.It was considered normal and celebrated

oh boy
your equating car ownership to pedophilia ?

. That was once considered "right." But we evolve.

Sure
but you are not the all knowing voice of evolution

And things change. It used to be executable to discriminate against people because of race or religion. And there were a lot of people who were against that. But society changes, and we adopted new ways of acting that were considered "right." You may be railing against progress, like your many conservative brethren, but eventually we move forward.

odd how you previously tried to justify your car killing crusade by claiming our ancestors did not need a car
now you want claim we need to evolve past the car

Again you would not last 6 months without fossil fuels

Dude....So you think a business can stiff workers? That is pure conservative theory right there...In many ways you are just crazy and make no sense.

demanding a business pay a specific wage without any consideration for the economic value of the work or the profitability of the business make no sense
the business will have to

1. pass costs on - producing the evil inflation
2. automate to reduce head count
3. relocate
4. go out of business

if employees want more $ earn it via merit . upgrade your skills so you can demand more $ in the market place

Of course the government regulates things because the concept that the free market will choose the "right" course of action has been proven time and time again to be bullshit.

actually the free market has proven time and time again it makes the right choices

excessive government intervention (central planning / socialism / communism) have proven time & time again to be a disaster for humanity producing corruption, , famine, death and retarding innovation / progress

Companies treat employees, the environment and customers horribly

well you had better get right on that & get companies banned
you should start by boycotting the products / services of the internet, grocery stores , the heat, hydro, water utilities and of course anything made from or shipped to you via... oil/ gas

. And conservative governments have imposed their fair share of regulations on things, so cry me fucking river...

the next conservative government will likely take four years to undo the the regulations of the Trudeau govt, so not to worry about them imposing regulations on you, they will too busy fixing the mess
of course the financial mess of he Trudeau govt will adversely impact multiple generations of Canadians and it will be adverse

Projecting....ya hate to see it, yet you show it soooo often. Adults realize that we don't always get to make choices. Like how people want to be addressed. But since you continue to make childish arguments, I can see why this might be lost on you...

that is completely non-responsive and a complete deflection from the issue
you have spent multiple posts trying to justify your attempts to control others behavior's and now you want to pretend that is not what you are doing

it is other peoples choice
your need to control other behavior's is not necessary
you should give it up


you are a climate alarmist from word go , so please do not pretend that you do not have an agenda here

 

[explorerzip]

There is a big difference between shelter (a necessity) and a car (not a necessity). If you lived in an area where you could live, work, shop and play - all in walking distance, you would save a fortune. Now, imagine you live in Oshawa and drive into work at, say, Yonge & Eglinton. How long does that take? How much gas do you spend in a week, or insurance. Plus parking is a killer. Easily $20 per day (if not more). In those times when you need private transportation (i.e., not a bus/subway), there are cabs/ubers and rental cars. You would likely still come out well ahead.

As for home maintenance....I had a friend who only rented. He claimed the amount he saved from not having to do the maintenance on a home (like new roofs, appliances, plumbing issues) was a significant sum of cash that he could invest/save. Now, he also loses equity in the home which could be sold to help finance retirement, but c'est le vie.

I agree with your point about using cabs, Uber, or rent when needed. You're pushing the long-term ownership costs like insurance, parking, maintenance and depreciation on to someone else. Same thing with renting vs buying a place to live. Your rent is the rent and someone else looks after the maintenance. You correctly pointed out that whatever money you might be saving by renting needs to be invested. That's the same when you're a homeowner though and that's why we hear so many reverse mortgage commercials. There are lots of people where their home is the main asset and few if any other investments. You could sell the house, but then you have to find another place to live. You can't live in a big pile of cash.

 

[dirtyharry555]

I have a car and it certainly isn't keeping me poor.

Such nonsense.

 

[Valcazar]

Why? I mean, if you live in the burbs, yes 100%. But again, the car companies spend billions a year to make you want a car. Doesn't mean you need one. Believe me, I understand the convenience and the freedom. Living in places that have poor transit options sucks when you don't have a car. A buddy of mine lived in LA for a few years without one and said it sucked majorly. But LA isn't a 15 minute city (and to be frank, most of Toronto isn't either).

Cars are often considered a necessity because there was a conscious move to design the infrastructure in such a way that cars were prioritized.
That's it, basically.
It was decided that everybody should have a car and then things were built in a way that made having a car a necessity.

There is a movement now that thinks that was a mistake and wants to guide infrastructure in the future to make it less and less of a necessity.

That the idea of "we would like to make infrastructure that isn't car dependent" is being turned into "15-minute cities are a (((globalist))) plot to control you" is just fucked up, but the world is full of fucked up people.

 

[anon1]

I have a car and it certainly isn't keeping me poor.

mine is
fucking Germans

 

[Paprika]

While you're waiting for public transit, I could have already arrived at the place. My life is one step ahead of yours.

 

[oil&gas]

While you're waiting for public transit, I could have already arrived at the place. My life is one step ahead of yours.

You are fortunate a lot of commuters have to leave their
cars at the parking lot near the Finch subway station
to transfer to TTC. If no car owners want to wait for
public transit a lot of them could easily end up arriving
at their destination two to three steps behind.

 

[SchlongConery]

mine is
fucking Germans

 

[silentkisser]

i do not believe you


multiple posts detailing your opinion why others do not need a vehicle says otherwise

you get pissy when you are told to mind your own business & stop trying to control others

Considering some of the thing that you do believe in, I really couldn't care less about what's rattling around in that cage of yours. And, as I said more than once...I ain't trying to control anything. You seem to project a lot about that. I get you have anxiety about things in life changing. But change can be good. Living in the past is never a good option....

actually having a car was necessary
car ownership is not a spur of the moment decision

If you say so....

But lets face a fact, you desperately want to impose your personal decision onto others

there is a world of difference between
stating you have determined you do not need a vehicle
vs.
stating, other people do not need a vehicle because you do not need a vehicle

you are a climate alarmist from word go , so please do not pretend that you do not have an agenda here

LOL. Your fantasy world is not reality. Please understand that. Putting words in my mouth is not really an effective argument style. Because I never told anyone to give up their cars. But since you seem to not realize that, let me say it again. Maybe this is clearer: Keep you car. I don't care. I just said the fact is you don't really need one IF you live in a place where there is good transit and work/shopping/entertainment options nearby. I know that's a crazy concept to you. And a climate alarmist? Since when? And even if I was, it would be better than being a climate denier, someone who is presented with evidence that shows things are changing for the worse, but stubbornly refuses to care or make any changes that could prevent issues....But it is interesting how you keep bringing that up. I don't recall ever saying anything about the environment in any post I made in this thread....But, keep tilting at the windmill Don Quixote.

#1.
how many cars in canada 2023 - Google Search

#2
how many people in canada 2021 - Google Search
38.25 million (2021)

so roughly 1.4 Canadians for every vehicle

but you know better ??
i do not think so

Is this your smoking gun? You do realize there are many, many people who own more than one car. One study shows that 84% of Canadians own cars, which means 16% do not. I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove here? And, again, genius, I never said anyone should give up their cars. You're like that drunk guy at the bar who keeps making up new arguments on something they wished the other person said.

if she lived in a rural area why would car ownership makes less sense?????
a vehicle is an absolute necessity in a rural area

you should not be telling others what is necessary for them

Dude....You keep circling back to this. And it really is kind of sad. Do you actually read what others post, or just have a knee jerk reaction and vomit all sorts of bullshit into a response? So I should just copy and paste my response: I just said the fact is you don't really need one IF you live in a place where there is good transit and work/shopping/entertainment options nearby. - Bolding and underlining might make it easier for you to read, and per chance comprehend the actual meaning of those words.

you are a climate alarmist from word go , so please do not pretend that you do not have an agenda here




bullshit
if you had a hint of realism you would know your experience is not applicable to others
if you were realistic about things, you would know you can not control other people
if you were realistic about things, you would be questioning the climate alarmism



you are a climate alarmist from word go , so please do not pretend that you do not have an agenda here

Agenda? Really? You got all that because I said a car wasn't necessary IF you live in a place where there is good transit and work/shopping/entertainment options nearby. I don't really know how that because something to do with climate. Could it be you're so insecure about the facts about what I said that you have to interject something here to make yourself feel like you know what is actually going on?

oh, so it really is about control then
and now you think you can justify your control via the exceptionally divisive abortion issue

there are two sides to the abortion issue & both can make sound logical rational arguments in defence of their respective positions
my view is it is an unresolvable quagmire and exceptionally divisive
so it is pointless to argue one way or the other & thus i respect each individuals position

you on the other hand will spend the rest of your days pushing your uncompromising view onto others
it is what you do

For someone who is so threatened by anything the perceive as control, the fact that you have no apparent issue with woman losing control of they bodies is very telling. And debate is not pushing views onto somebody. I mean, you might want to pretend I'm some mythical liberal who is pushing things....but let's face it, that's not happening at all. You are just a sad little man who is frightened about change.

you do not speak for society
see above, there is a registered vehicle for every 1,4 Canadians, so society does not agree wit you

You're so cute. You really think I believe I speak for society? I said a car wasn't necessary IF you live in a place where there is good transit and work/shopping/entertainment options nearby.

oh boy
your equating car ownership to pedophilia ?

I see that your reading comprehension skills have not improved....

Sure
but you are not the all knowing voice of evolution



odd how you previously tried to justify your car killing crusade by claiming our ancestors did not need a car
now you want claim we need to evolve past the car

Again you would not last 6 months without fossil fuels

[./quote]
I just love how you continuously say things that are basically the opposite of what I wrote. But continue. I do find it amusing....

demanding a business pay a specific wage without any consideration for the economic value of the work or the profitability of the business make no sense
the business will have to

1. pass costs on - producing the evil inflation
2. automate to reduce head count
3. relocate
4. go out of business

if employees want more $ earn it via merit . upgrade your skills so you can demand more $ in the market place

LOL. OK, maybe the business isn't very good then. I highly doubt that a successful business couldn't afford to pay its workers a bit more AND not have to increase prices. Maybe the profit margin goes down a bit. But let's face the fact of what you said:

"force a business to pay a wage regardless of profitability"

That sounds a lot like wage theft. Or are you saying that you're against minimum wage? See, I understand capitalism. I also understand that businesses try to exploit workers, squeeze blood from a stone. As a big business conservative, you seem to think this is justifiable....

actually the free market has proven time and time again it makes the right choices
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excessive government intervention (central planning / socialism / communism) have proven time & time again to be a disaster for humanity producing corruption, , famine, death and retarding innovation / progress


well you had better get right on that & get companies banned
you should start by boycotting the products / services of the internet, grocery stores , the heat, hydro, water utilities and of course anything made from or shipped to you via... oil/ gas

LOL. Sure, capitalism worked for some things. But, let's look at how the free market runs:

Bhopal disaster - Wikipedia

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Chevrolet Corvair - Wikipedia

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‘I'm not a robot’: Amazon workers condemn unsafe, grueling conditions at warehouse

Employees under pressure to work faster call on retail giant to improve conditions – and take their complaints seriously

www.theguardian.com

Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All examples of how companies exploited loop holes or turned a blind eye to major safety concerns. I could dig up a lot more, but I am getting a little bored of dealing with your inane rantings...

the next conservative government will likely take four years to undo the the regulations of the Trudeau govt, so not to worry about them imposing regulations on you, they will too busy fixing the mess
of course the financial mess of he Trudeau govt will adversely impact multiple generations of Canadians and it will be adverse

Right. PP is going to fix everything...

that is completely non-responsive and a complete deflection from the issue
you have spent multiple posts trying to justify your attempts to control others behavior's and now you want to pretend that is not what you are doing

it is other peoples choice
your need to control other behavior's is not necessary
you should give it up


you are a climate alarmist from word go , so please do not pretend that you do not have an agenda here

LOL....The issue, if you recall, was that car ownership and dependency is keeping you poor. You seem to think its about climate change and the left controlling you....which is interesting, because nobody besides you raised it....which, again, is a complete deflection from the issue....Your need to pretend there is a leftist boogeyman intent on controlling your life is, well...a right-wing fever dream. But, again, I'm not shocked that you delved into these areas. You just love to project, and waste everyone's time with this bullshit....

 

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Cars are often considered a necessity because there was a conscious move to design the infrastructure in such a way that cars were prioritized.
That's it, basically.
It was decided that everybody should have a car and then things were built in a way that made having a car a necessity.

There is a movement now that thinks that was a mistake and wants to guide infrastructure in the future to make it less and less of a necessity.

That the idea of "we would like to make infrastructure that isn't car dependent" is being turned into "15-minute cities are a (((globalist))) plot to control you" is just fucked up, but the world is full of fucked up people.

You're 100% right. In Los Angeles, the car companies basically paid off city officials to tear up their streetcar network and invest in highways. Basically destroy public transit for cars. And LA traffic is horrible (though apparently not as bad as Toronto's....). Burbs originally sprung up because of streetcars, but now you need a car to live outside of the downtown core...
But let's not forget the billions and billions of dollars GM/Ford/Chrysler/Toyota/Honda et al spend every year on ads to make us covet cars. And they've done it for nearly 100 years.