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y2kmark

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You're arguing that the native population doesn't have the right to self defence against terrorists now.
Do you or do you not agree that Palestinians have the right to self defence against terrorism?
Only by following that oft used premise : "It can't be terrorism if it'd us..."
 

basketcase

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You are holding Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the state of Israel by claiming its antisemitic to call for the end of an illegal occupation by the state of Israel.
That's antisemitic.
Wow. that is a moronic attempt to justify your antisemitism. You have repeatedly justified targeting people for criticism of Israel simply because they are Jewish.

I've asked you many many times if you think it's okay to target Muslim owned businesses over abuses of Women's rights in Iran or Saudi Arabia and you refuse to answer because you now that would be just as racist as your blaming Jews for Israel.
 

basketcase

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Do you support Israel...
As you said, active militants are fair game. People shooting at or throwing firebombs at Israelis at the border are armed combatants and can be treated as such, just like Extremist settlers who can be treated when they are shooting or throwing firebombs at Palestinians.

You're the one with the racist double standard and are desperately trying to distract from the fact that you've repeatedly claimed Jews in the West Bank are valid targets.
 

canada-man

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The Palestinian Authority’s ruling faction, Fatah, is boasting that its members have carried out most of the recent terrorism against Israelis. “Fatah leaders are also calling for more violence against Israel,” and are praising the perpetrators of the recent massacre of Israeli as “heroic martyrs,” they have said.

Yet the Biden administration’s response echoes the ancient Japanese proverb: See none of Fatah’s evil actions, hear none of Fatah’s evil words, and speak no truth about Fatah’s evil record.


Fatah is by far the largest of the 10 factions that make up the P.A. and its parent body, the Palestinian Liberation Organization. Fatah, the P.A. and the PLO were all headed by Yasser Arafat and are now chaired by his successor, 87-year-old Mahmoud Abbas. In signing the Oslo Accords of 1993-1995, Fatah committed to lay down its weapons, combat terrorists and live in peace with Israel.

But instead of doing so, the head of Fatah’s Jenin branch announced on May 30 that “a national decision” has been made to “fight” Israel and “confront it with every weapon.”

Instead of combating terrorists, Fatah’s Bethlehem branch publicly praised the terrorists who recently slaughtered four Israelis near the town of Eli. That June 20 Fatah announcement hailed the killers as “righteous martyrs” and “heroic martyrdom-seekers.”


Instead of living in peace with Israel, Fatah is “leading” the latest waves of anti-Israel violence, according to Fatah itself. The Fatah Commission of Information and Culture, on its official Facebook page on June 17, posted a video asserting: “If we ask about the armed resistance in the West Bank, the Fatah Movement is the one that is leading it. The Fatah members have more than two-thirds of the percentage of martyrs … ”

(Thanks to Palestinian Media Watch for the translations.)

Following the signing of the first Oslo agreement in September 1993, Israelis and American Jews were shocked that terrorist attacks were continuing. After all, the entire premise of the accords was that terrorism would stop.

Palestinian spokesmen and their apologists claimed the ongoing attacks were not the work of Fatah but were perpetrated by “independent” groups that Fatah supposedly could not control, with names such as the “Hawks” and the “Tanzim.”

It was implausible that those groups had sprung up overnight, fully formed, with an entire network of highly trained bombers and shooters already in place. Sure enough, those names soon disappeared from public discourse and were replaced by a new “independent” terror group called the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades.


The “Brigades” claimed responsibility for attacks on a bat mitzvah celebration in Hadera (six dead, 33 wounded); the suicide bombing at Jerusalem’s Yeshivat Beit Yisrael (11 dead, including two infants, and 50 wounded); and the suicide bombing at the Tel Aviv Central bus station (23 dead, more than 100 injured), among many other outrages.

The U.S. State Department added the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades to the official U.S. list of designated terrorist groups but refused to acknowledge they were part of Fatah.

Then-P.A. Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei told the London-based Asharq al-Awsat newspaper: “We have clearly declared that the Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades are part of Fatah. We are committed to them and Fatah bears full responsibility for the group.” (The Jerusalem Post, June 20, 2004)

Investigative journalists from the BBC documented that Fatah was allocating $50,000 monthly to the Brigades. Yet the State Department still refused to see any of Fatah’s evil, hear any of its evil or speak the truth about its evil.

Finally, in June 2005, a study by the U.S. government’s own Congressional Research Service reported: “On December 18, 2003, Fatah asked the leaders of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades to join the Fatah Council, recognizing it officially as part of the Fatah organization.”

All of which is reminiscent of the fiction of “Black September.” When the terrorists who carried out the Munich Olympics massacre in 1972 and the murder of the U.S. ambassador in Sudan in 1973 claimed to be from “Black September,” not Fatah, there was good reason for suspicion.

One of the Munich planners, Mohammed Oudeh (Abu Daoud), was quoted in the Jordanian newspaper Al-Dustur in 1972, saying, “There is no such organization as Black September. Fatah announces its own operations under this name so that Fatah will not appear as the direct executor of the operation.” Still, the State Department refused to see the truth.


Later, it turned out that a telegram sent by the State Department to American embassies around the world on March 13, 1973 acknowledged the truth: “The Black September Organization is a cover term for Fatah’s terrorist operations executed by Fatah’s intelligence organization. … For all intents and purposes no significant distinction now can be made between the BSO and Fatah.”

“Black September.” “Hawks.” “Tanzim.” “Al-Aqsa Martyrs.” All turned out to be front groups for Fatah. More recently, some media outlets have been referring to a supposedly new terrorist group called the “Lions’ Den.” It will be interesting to see how many “Lions’ Den” members turn out to be Fatah members, especially now that Fatah is boasting that it is carrying out the large majority of the terror attacks.

The Biden administration, however, refuses to see any Fatah members carrying out attacks, refuses to hear Fatah officials endorsing terrorism, and refuses to say anything bad about Fatah—because to acknowledge the truth is to admit that Fatah never gave up terrorism, Arafat and Abbas never wanted peace, and creating a Palestinian state won’t bring peace. That’s a painful truth for many people to acknowledge. But the truth must be faced, no matter how painful.

See no Fatah, hear no Fatah - JNS.org
 

canada-man

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(July 6, 2023 / JNS)
A mere three months after a protest in Berlin featured chants of “Death to Jews” and “Death to Israel,” German police stood by as yet another pro-terrorist march took place in the capital city, JNS learned on Thursday.

On late Wednesday afternoon, tens of mainly German Muslim protesters gathered in Berlin’s central Potsdamer Platz under the slogan “An immediate halt to aggression against Jenin.” The rally, which received prior approval from local authorities, ensued after Israeli forces withdrew from Jenin following a two-day counterterrorism operation.

More than 1,000 IDF troops participated in the raid, believed to be the largest deployment in Judea and Samaria in two decades. The military announced on Tuesday that its forces had killed 12 Palestinians during the 48-hour operation, all confirmed terrorists, and arrested more than 100 terrorism suspects.

Ahead of the demonstration in Berlin, a police spokesperson assured JNS that measures had been taken to prevent illegal incitement. “There was a dialogue between the police and the organizer [and] prohibited chants have been discussed,” the spokesman said, while noting that “sufficient” officers would attend the protest.

In April, at a march organized by the German chapter of the Palestinian NGO Samidoun, hundreds of Muslims chanted “Death to Israel” and “Death to Jews,” sparking calls for tougher action against anti-Jewish protests.

Among other restrictions, the police subsequently banned the glorification of violence, statements that advocate “the annihilation of the State of Israel and/or its inhabitants,” as well as the display of symbols associated with Hamas, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and Hizb ut-Tahrir.

Yet in video footage of Wednesday’s pro-Jenin rally, obtained by JNS, one speaker can be heard saying: “Glory and salvation to the righteous martyrs,” while calling for the release of all terrorists imprisoned by Israel. “We are not allowed to call Israel child murderers,” another speaker added. “If this is not a child-murdering army, what is it then?”

Songs played during the protest praised Ahmed Yassin, the founder of Hamas, and implored attendees to die for “Palestine.” Participants furthermore chanted, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” a slogan that essentially calls for the destruction of the Jewish state and likely runs afoul of Berlin’s prohibition against advocating for the annihilation of the State of Israel.

A handful of law enforcement officers seemingly stood by as the events transpired.

Meanwhile, in a separate incident in Berlin earlier this week, anti-Israel activists disseminated flyers that described the Jewish state as a “parasite occupation.” The leaflets, which were plastered on historical monuments, including Cafe Moskau, read: “From the river to the sea… Jenin, we bow to you! Glory to your martyrs, freedom for your prisoners.”

'Glory to the martyrs': Berlin police approve pro-Hamas rally - JNS.org
 

Frankfooter

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As you said, active militants are fair game. People shooting at or throwing firebombs at Israelis at the border are armed combatants and can be treated as such, just like Extremist settlers who can be treated when they are shooting or throwing firebombs at Palestinians.

You're the one with the racist double standard and are desperately trying to distract from the fact that you've repeatedly claimed Jews in the West Bank are valid targets.
Israelis can now kill Palestinians and let the army decide if the person they shot was a 'terrorist'.
This is exactly what you just declared is wrong.

Its what Israel does.
 

Frankfooter

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Except you openly stand FOR terrorism against Jews by pretending that being Jewish in the West Bank means you're a military target.
Israel sent 2000 soldiers into a refugee camp holding 14,000 people, killing 20 and injuring hundreds.
Do you think refugee camps are legitimate targets now?


 

canada-man

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are you aware that this is blood libel against Israel? this is the same old antisemitic blood libel accusations of jews common in the middle and dark ages

franky continues to sink to new lows




Former Dutch PM accused of blood libel after saying settlers poisoned Palestinians





POISON: THE USE OF BLOOD LIBEL
IN THE WAR AGAINST ISRAEL

Raphael Israeli


An Epidemic on the West Bank / The Arab Tradition of Miracle Literature / Accusing the Israelis / The Story Grows / The International Perspective / The Politics of Human Rights / The Sterilizing Bubble Gum / More Poison / Blood Libel as a Form of Warfare



 

Klatuu

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are you aware that this is blood libel against Israel? this is the same old antisemitic blood libel accusations of jews common in the middle and dark ages

franky continues to sink to new lows




Former Dutch PM accused of blood libel after saying settlers poisoned Palestinians





POISON: THE USE OF BLOOD LIBEL
IN THE WAR AGAINST ISRAEL

Raphael Israeli


An Epidemic on the West Bank / The Arab Tradition of Miracle Literature / Accusing the Israelis / The Story Grows / The International Perspective / The Politics of Human Rights / The Sterilizing Bubble Gum / More Poison / Blood Libel as a Form of Warfare



Blood libel? You know the article is by Israeli academics don’t you?
 
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