School shooting in Nashville

krealtarron

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It's not hopeless. It needs a bipartisan support. But, Republicans need gun owners as much as the Democrats to get elected. And that's a fact.
There is no hope for Americans lol
 

Valcazar

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Yawn. He's hardly alone noticing it. Twitter is buzzing all over about the misgendering.
I'm not saying he is wrong.
I am saying he is being dishonest.

As you know, like with any shooting, there have been a bunch of conflicting reports and updates of information.

The shooter was identified as an 18-year old girl in early reports, if you recall.

So if you want to point out the "hypocrisy of them misgendering this person" you point out how even as more information comes out, they are still misgendering the shooter".

Except Shapiro went out of his way to cut the time stamp of the headlines off.

That he does shit like that - edit things to present them out of context to support his position and spin the truth - is standard operating procedure for him.
But he has a story here where (since it does look like people are fucking up all over the place) he doesn't have to do that.

But it is like he can't help himself.
 
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Valcazar

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Fox changed their font on this story to red after it discovered the shooter was trans. Tucker and company are jumping for joy. If the shoe was on the other foot I'm sure fox would be claiming this was a false fag operation
Honestly, it is a shame there is such a hack gap between the two sides.

Using Tucker announcing that trans shooters were threat just three days before there was one to "prove" it was a false flag set up by Tucker and Fox News would be bad because it would further degrade the state of journalism and public discourse, but some small part of me can't help but enjoy the thought of them tasting their own bullshit for once.
 

jcpro

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You can't play word games like that.
The Supreme Court will simply rule that doesn't count.

You have to remember how they work -- decide the outcome you want, then make up a legal analysis to justify it.

You can't look at the text of the law or the amendment or their own rulings or decisions and say "based on this, my argument traps them in logic".

"We have five votes, fuck you, that's why." is the only principle they have for these kinds of issues.



They are if you pass them.

Why?

"We have five votes, fuck you, that's why."
ROTFLMFAO!! Now you know why they dragged out that lying cunt Dr. Ford and Avenatti and Anita Hill, and why they were so upset with RBG, and why Shumer threatened the Supreme Court, and why the lefty extremists went after Kavanaugh. Asses in seats are kind of important on the USSC.
 

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I’ve come the conclusion that the GQP are 100% fine with all of these mass shootings. They are accelerationists who want society to collapse so they can take over forcefully and turn the US into a white Christian ethnostate.
 

Valcazar

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Why is it an attack on the 2nd amendment? It does not infringe on a persons right to keep and bear arms.

But regardless your position is that it is hopeless and nothing will change. Thats not very helpful.
I didn't say nothing would change.
I said that acting like "writing the right law" would get past the Supreme Court because "it does not infringe on a person's right to keep and bear their arms" is being silly and naive.

The court will rule whatever it wants unconstitutional for whatever reason.

"We have five votes, fuck you, that's why."

You can't legislate past that by clever framing of the law.

You get things passed by getting a majority on the court or putting the court in a situation where the majority thinks it is in their best interests to let the law stand.

Given how insulated the Supreme Court is from any accountability, that's going to be damn hard.

But look, it took the gun lobby 30-40 years to get the court to change its mind and say that there was an individual right to bear arms. (If you date the real push for that with the rise of that kind of rhetoric after the civil rights movement). So yes, getting it undone might take 30-40 years. I'd like to think it would be less, but passing laws that work within the "legal language" the Court is pretending their decision concerns is only useful to raise support from the public for things that sound like common sense that the court strikes down anyway.

So go ahead and do it, sure, but pretending it will work because it doesn't conflict with the "plain reading of the text" or whatever is just silly.
 

krealtarron

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I didn't say nothing would change.
I said that acting like "writing the right law" would get past the Supreme Court because "it does not infringe on a person's right to keep and bear their arms" is being silly and naive.

The court will rule whatever it wants unconstitutional for whatever reason.

"We have five votes, fuck you, that's why."

You can't legislate past that by clever framing of the law.

You get things passed by getting a majority on the court or putting the court in a situation where the majority thinks it is in their best interests to let the law stand.

Given how insulated the Supreme Court is from any accountability, that's going to be damn hard.

But look, it took the gun lobby 30-40 years to get the court to change its mind and say that there was an individual right to bear arms. (If you date the real push for that with the rise of that kind of rhetoric after the civil rights movement). So yes, getting it undone might take 30-40 years. I'd like to think it would be less, but passing laws that work within the "legal language" the Court is pretending their decision concerns is only useful to raise support from the public for things that sound like common sense that the court strikes down anyway.

So go ahead and do it, sure, but pretending it will work because it doesn't conflict with the "plain reading of the text" or whatever is just silly.
I was responding to JC. But I agree. As I said, its not how the judicial system is supposed to work though.
 

Valcazar

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Then they are not doing what they are supposed to do, they are just partisans who are using their position to push for a partisan position in the highest court of the country. That is very dangerous.
Yes.
Exactly this.

That it has taken as long as it has for the public (and much of the pres and also the non-Republican establishment) to understand this has been tragic.

There is a reason the Supreme Court Six are so mad about the declining view of the Court.
They thought they should be allowed to be complete fucking partisan hacks and keep all the respect they had under the cover of "the institution".

But legitimacy is earned in a democracy, not bestowed.
They want to piss it away, it will get pissed away.
 
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Valcazar

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I’ve come the conclusion that the GQP are 100% fine with all of these mass shootings. They are accelerationists who want society to collapse so they can take over forcefully and turn the US into a white Christian ethnostate.
There is an argument to be made that if they feel on balance that the shootings threaten their voters more than is acceptable, they might move on gun reform.
(See Black Panthers got guns, so then you pass gun laws.)

But generalized fear of society fraying is mostly good for them, so unless they feel personally targeted, I don't expect them to move on the issue.
 

Valcazar

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I was responding to JC. But I agree. As I said, its not how the judicial system is supposed to work though.
Sure, but you're a libertarian, right?

"They have the power, so they are going to use it badly" should be expected behavior from the State for you.
 

Valcazar

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Asses in seats are kind of important on the USSC.
They are.
Why do you think the Federal Society exists?
Why did McConnell make up rules as he wanted when he had the power to block or rush through appointments?

It took FAR too long for the Democrats to understand that "seize the Court because it is a counter-majoritarian power center" was an active tactic of the Conservative movement.

Without some way to de-escalate, those days of judges getting wide bi-partisan support are long gone.

I'd like to think we won't get to the point of political assassination of supreme court justices, but I can't rule it out in the future.
 
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krealtarron

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Sure, but you're a libertarian, right?

"They have the power, so they are going to use it badly" should be expected behavior from the State for you.
But they are not the state. The judicial system should be bipartisan and seek to regulate the state by upholding the constitution and laws passed by the state.
 

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They are.
Why do you think the Federal Society exists?
Why did McConnell make up rules as he wanted when he had the power to block or rush through appointments?

It took FAR too long for the Democrats to understand that "seize the Court because it is a counter-majoritarian power center" was an active tactic of the Conservative movement.

Without some way to de-escalate, those days of judges getting wide bi-partisan support are long gone.

I'd like to think we won't get to the point of political assassination of supreme court justices, but I can't rule it out in the future.
Why not ? The magats had a plot to kidnap and kill Whitmer and djt ordered a hit on his vp
 
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At this point its just another statistic. And another indicator of the decline that is going to hit the West in the next 5-10 years. There is a very real societal breakdown happening, especially in the USA. A combination of wealth inequality, political polarization, distrust in politicial institutions, myopic selfishness, moral and ethical decay, increase in mental illness, social isolation( especially in young men), is going to cause civil unrest once the next recession/possible depression hits.

Who is in charge at the time will determine the longer term fate of the nation. And the West.

My best suggestion is make sure your portfolio is conservative, your savings are diversified, housing is secure, and your social circle are too.
 
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