Maine School Social Worker Secretly Gender-Transitioned 13-Year-Old Girl with Chest binder to flatten her breast.
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NHS should’ve taken ‘sensible’ approach to trans matters ‘years ago’
Author Douglas Murray says it’s upsetting to think about the young people whose lives have already been "irreversibly ruined", following the NHS' change of advice regarding children who believe they're transgender. The NHS is advising doctors that most children of these children are just going...
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NHS should’ve taken ‘sensible’ approach to trans matters ‘years ago’
October 24, 2022 - 11:19PM
Author Douglas Murray says it’s upsetting to think about the young people whose lives have already been “irreversibly ruined”, following the NHS’ change of advice regarding children who believe they’re transgender.
The NHS is advising doctors that most children of these children are just going through a phase.
“Just consider all of the young children, all of the young people whose lives have been irreversibly ruined by the NHS, like other health authorities across the western world, not taking this simple, sensible, adult and pragmatic approach years ago,” Mr Murray told Sky News host Rita Panahi.
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Apparently it does take longer for some brains to develop than others.
But where is there any evidence that the teen was 'groomed' rather than supported by the councillor?
Do think a CIS kid walked into a single session with a school councillor and walked out trans?
The NHS is advising doctors that most children of these children are just going through a phase.
NHS should've taken ‘sensible’ approach to trans matters ‘years ago'
PS. First slippery slope pronoun or gender name change !
PSS. Anything for blue tribe as long as they or you win and you dont think about the bad aftermath of the child. There no common sense when come with the liberals thinking ! It all about supporting you libtard wokism that matter to your bluE tribes!
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He is not a councillor, dont use the wrong term. He is just a college kid who was a social worker with a conditional license, who knew the kid for a few days.
The board policy may be anything, but when it is a 13 year old kid, the appropriate and the ethical thing to do is to call the parents. Dont hide behind some board policy, its ridiculous.
The problem is not with a chest binder, or the pronouns per se, but the fact that something that could have life changing consequences for the kid, was not even communicated to the parents based on some woke kid's judgement. It's stupid.
This is what liberals push for its outrageous that schools try to sneak this shit.
School councillor, counseler or social worker. Whatever.
Why are you trying to demean this person and calling them a 'college kid'?
They had a job.
Sounds like your 'problem' with this incident is what you are imagining might have happened instead of what we know did happen.
The counseler/councillor, social worker did the job he was hired and trained to in the manner the board requires, other than spending their own money on a the sports bra/chest binder.
Because he is a college kid with a conditional license and did not do his job ethically. Board rules are just a cover your ass thing. Parents should have been informed. Regardless of board rules it is unethical not to do so.
If he followed the board rules he did it ethically.
End of story.
Do you even know any trans people?
Yeah and the nazis followed the rules when they ratted out Jews to be sent to concentration camps.
Rules do not equal ethics.
Also: It is clear that the student had loving parents and was afraid to keep these things a secret from her parents, which the guy asked her to. Unethical.
"In her statement, Lavigne said the social worker asked the student to keep the chest binder a secret from the parents, which she said caused the student symptoms of “distress, anxiety, and depression.”
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Love when people's arguments fall apart so much they start with ridiculous strawmanning.
Just because you are liberal doesn't mean you have to support any woke bullshit....
Social worker did their job and worked with the kid. Their job specifically means they don't need to communicate with parents of teens unless the teen wants it. Get over it. Just because you are freaked out trans people doesn't mean you can interfere whether a kid wants to keep their tits showing.
And again, laws in Canada and much of the liberal west allows a child to have full control over their medical decision as long as the provider sees them as capable of making decisions. Doesn't make a difference whether it's birth control, vaccines, or non-gendered clothing. It's also the same that say schools don't have to tell parents if kids are gay, non-religious, or sexually active.
If laws say kids have the choice of whether the parents are informed than the ethics of the job are to follow that. Doesn't matter whether the social worker is a rookie or a vet.
Okay then. Because you say so.
Or we can go with the experts.
Understanding legal rights
Many people are involved in the care of a child or youth that has mental health challenges. This combination of parents (with and without custody) or guardians, siblings, other family members, and health care providers can sometimes make the process confusing: Who makes the decisions? Who has the right to information about the young person? What if the young person and the parent don’t agree?
The law exists to help in these situations — to create a balance between what the young person wants, and protecting that person in vulnerable situations.
Consent to treatment
Treatment, such as counselling, medication, or psychotherapy, cannot be provided to a young person without consent. If the young person is capable, they can decide if they want to give or refuse consent to treatment. In other words, as long as a young person understands the treatment, why it’s being recommended, and what will happen if they accept or refuse treatment, the health care provider and family must respect the young person’s decision.
Age of consent
There is no general age of consent to treatment or counselling; instead, the issue depends on whether the young person is capable of consenting. A young person will be found to have capacity to consent or to refuse consent if they both:
- Understand the information relevant to the proposed treatment in issue, and
- Appreciate the reasonably foreseeable consequences of consenting or refusing consent.
No.Okay then. Because you say so.
Or we can go with the experts.
Understanding legal rights
Many people are involved in the care of a child or youth that has mental health challenges. This combination of parents (with and without custody) or guardians, siblings, other family members, and health care providers can sometimes make the process confusing: Who makes the decisions? Who has the right to information about the young person? What if the young person and the parent don’t agree?
The law exists to help in these situations — to create a balance between what the young person wants, and protecting that person in vulnerable situations.
Consent to treatment
Treatment, such as counselling, medication, or psychotherapy, cannot be provided to a young person without consent. If the young person is capable, they can decide if they want to give or refuse consent to treatment. In other words, as long as a young person understands the treatment, why it’s being recommended, and what will happen if they accept or refuse treatment, the health care provider and family must respect the young person’s decision.
Age of consent
There is no general age of consent to treatment or counselling; instead, the issue depends on whether the young person is capable of consenting. A young person will be found to have capacity to consent or to refuse consent if they both:
- Understand the information relevant to the proposed treatment in issue, and
- Appreciate the reasonably foreseeable consequences of consenting or refusing consent.
You said - "And again, laws in Canada and much of the liberal west allows a child to have full control over their medical decision as long as the provider sees them as capable of making decisions."
Underage children need parent or guardian consent for medical procedures.
Secondly, what you listed above assumes that the parents and the kid dont agree etc., They are rules that are not enforceable either. Ethics demands that the parents should have been notified.
In most countries there is a standard (14 in many places) and younger people can be treated as decision makers if the doctors see them as making informed choices. Same with vaccines. Same with birth control. Get over it.
p.s. Still pretending a tight shirt is a medical procedure?
