Do you believe in freedom… or just freedom for yourself?

[poker]

In the clip, the kid who is given a chance to speak says something about how it is wrong the kids have a dress code and the teachers don't, so there may be as much of a "this is our chance to get the dress code removed" or "this is our chance to fix that stupid rule" as anything concerning the teacher.

Hard to say without being there.

This is going to be a nightmare to legislate.

my ex wife had breast cancer, a mastectomy, and wore a matching prosthetic. Prosthetics have there place in society….

I have also have teachers with massive breasts.

How do you go about legislating the use of prosthetics, as it relates to Trangenders, and dictate what breast size is appropriate?

I am glad I am not in the Ontario government, because this issue will not resolve easy. Just because someone does not like how it looks, does not mean that’s the answer.

 

[Valcazar]

I'm not sure why "legislation about prosthetic breasts would even be relevant here.
A micromanaged response is probably a bad one as opposed to some kind of general rule on a dress code. (Even with all the problems a general rule of "professionalism" can bring.)

 

[JohnLarue]

I know you think everything is a personal attack, Johnny, but all I was doing there was giving attribution to where I got the post from so that other people could check it our for themselves if they didn't believe me.

why would anyone not believe you ?

no need to specifically mention me , you did not even bother to referred to the protest, which is the story
, so yeah that was a personal attack

Interesting thread that LaRue linked to up above in post 61.

 

[basketcase]

So what if another teacher wore a prosthetic cock 2 feet long and as thick as a thermos bulging in their pants? Or better yet, have it 3 feet and erect poking at their shirt while being held back with a belt?


Fuck never mind. It would probably be allowed.

Erect dicks are sexual. Tits aren't.

 

[basketcase]

it's the volume of protestors which is the relevant part
...

Most of the volume was students evacuated by a bomb threat. Who gives a shit what a few gullible social media bigots say?

 

[JohnLarue]

In the clip, the kid who is given a chance to speak says something about how it is wrong the kids have a dress code and the teachers don't, so there may be as much of a "this is our chance to get the dress code removed" or "this is our chance to fix that stupid rule" as anything concerning the teacher.

Hard to say without being there.

if it is " Hard to say without being there" why did you speculate that it is about a dress code ?

 

[Valcazar]

why would anyone not believe you ?

Because no one should take an out of context internet post at face value.
Especially one referencing a chan board.

no need to specifically mention me , you did not even bother to referred to the protest, which is the story
, so yeah that was a personal attack

I know you have difficulty with context and like to police what people can talk about and how they talk about it, but that post was about the subject of this thread, which is the video and who is in it.

Still, to try and keep your paranoia to a minimum in the future, I will just reference the post number next time.

 

[Valcazar]

if it is " Hard to say without being there" why did you speculate that it is about a dress code ?

Because we are all speculating about what's going on given the minimal information we have.
Pointing out facts that throw doubt on the facile narrative the media is pushing is good.

Everyone should be far more uncertain about what is going on and how the story is being framed right now.

EDITED TO ADD:
I'm gonna repeat what I said in the other thread.

No matter what the origin of the video, it is pretty clear that the political actors who think they can get traction with culture war issues decided to jump on it, magnify it, and milk it for all they can no matter what might actually be going on at the school.

There remain a lot of unanswered questions here.

1) Who is actually in the video and pics?
2) Did they wear that for one day or is it their attire all the time?
3) Depending on 2 - what is their reasoning for wearing it?
4) Who connected to the school (kids or parents) has actually complained about this and what is the complaint?
5) Who called in the bomb threat and why?
6) What will the school boards official position on this be? (Which depends on 2 and 3 above, of course.)

 

[JohnLarue]

This is going to be a nightmare to legislate.

no need to legislate

my ex wife had breast cancer, a mastectomy, and wore a matching prosthetic. Prosthetics have there place in society….

Well that's not the case for thus guy, no mention what so ever about him recovering from breast cancer

I have also have teachers with massive breasts.

not like those abominations

How do you go about legislating the use of prosthetics, as it relates to Trangenders, and dictate what breast size is appropriate?

you do not
the school board needs to ensure parents they are being taught by professionals who are good role models for their kid

I am glad I am not in the Ontario government, because this issue will not resolve easy. Just because someone does not like how it looks, does not mean that’s the answer.

And if a teacher arrived for work adhering to the dress code but sporting a MAGA hat or a temporary swastika tattoo, you would lose your shit

 

[JohnLarue]

Because no one should take an out of context internet post at face value.
Especially one referencing a chan board.

what is a chan board?

I know you have difficulty with context and like to police what people can talk about and how they talk about it, but that post was about the subject of this thread, which is the video and who is in it.

So like I said, no need to mention me by name
it was an attack & you know it

Still, to try and keep your paranoia to a minimum in the future, I will just reference the post number next time.

no you wont

 

[fall]

Am I the only one here who strongly believes that this guy simply mocking libtards? What are the evidence except him wearing a dress? Did he date anyone except women in the past? Kissed a man?

 

[JohnLarue]

]Because we are all speculating about what's going on given the minimal information we have.

Ah no, the good people of Oakville and Ontario are protesting the exposure of our youth to depravity by an attention seeking freak show
no speculation there

Pointing out facts that throw doubt on the facile narrative the media is pushing is good.

no no, you just stated you were speculating , trying to imply all others are speculating too
facts and speculation do not mix well

Everyone should be far more uncertain about what is going on and how the story is being framed right now.

Why ?

his picture says a thousand words

EDITED TO ADD:
I'm gonna repeat what I said in the other thread.

No matter what the origin of the video, it is pretty clear that the political actors who think they can get traction with culture war issues decided to jump on it, magnify it, and milk it for all they can no matter what might actually be going on at the school.

never a thought that there could be real concern about the impact of this freak show on the kids
'the kids' ... ie the people teaching positions exist for

There remain a lot of unanswered questions here.

1) Who is actually in the video and pics?
2) Did they wear that for one day or is it their attire all the time?
3) Depending on 2 - what is their reasoning for wearing it?
4) Who connected to the school (kids or parents) has actually complained about this and what is the complaint?
5) Who called in the bomb threat and why?
6) What will the school boards official position on this be? (Which depends on 2 and 3 above, of course.)

yeah good luck getting all those deflective questions answered
now back to the real questions

Why do our kids have be exposed to this guys attention seeking freak show ?
How will the school board restore the trust parents have previously granted them ?

 

[poker]

no need to legislate



Well that's not the case for thus guy, no mention what so ever about him recovering from breast cancer




not like those abominations



you do not
the school board needs to ensure parents they are being taught by professionals who are good role models for their kid



And if a teacher arrived for work adhering to the dress code but sporting a MAGA hat or a temporary swastika tattoo, you would lose your shit

So your answer is “cancel culture”. Gotcha.

there are likely rules in regards to Political symbols on the dress code already…. And I agree, neither a MAGA hat nor swastika is appropriate for school.

And yes, it likely needs some rules, otherwise it becomes a human rights tribunal issue. Believe me John, my goal isn’t to see this the norm. The only way (I see) the school board touching it, is for the Province to enact the Professionalism Standards as they indicated they would.

I promise you, you do not want the copy cats motivated because the courts telling the school they violated his rights.

 

[JohnLarue]

Am I the only one here who strongly believes that this guy simply mocking libtards? What are the evidence except him wearing a dress? Did he date anyone except women in the past? Kissed a man?

A career is a pretty big bet to wager on a mocking stunt

Ontario school board is now reviewing dress code after busty teacher controversy (blogto.com)

the school board stood by their employee, stating that "gender identity and gender expression are protected grounds under the Ontario Human Rights Code" and that it was a confidential personnel matter.

So if it is a mocking stunt , then he misrepresented himself to the school board and that carries risk of termination

 

[fall]

A career is a pretty big bet to wager on a mocking stunt

Ontario school board is now reviewing dress code after busty teacher controversy (blogto.com)


So if it is a mocking stunt , then he misrepresented himself to the school board and that carries risk of termination

Well, I am not sure how "identification as a women" works, but we are told that gender is a continuous variable. So, maybe he feels like a woman now but maybe he is just confused and not sure if he is a women or man and in a year or two his feeling will change. I doubt he needs to prove his identification and it is damn hard to prove he is a fraud. Basically, there are two possibilities: he is a nut job that truly identifies himself as a women (nut job not because of self-identification, but because of his choice of the boobs - it would be true for any biological women too) or he is just having fun. If he is an introvert and does not/need friends or is not a big talker, he should be fine. Hell, I would like to do the same thing a couple of years before retirement. I like this shit.

 

[JohnLarue]

So your answer is “cancel culture”. Gotcha.

no it is about protecting our kids

there are likely rules in regards to Political symbols on the dress code already…. And I agree, neither a MAGA hat nor swastika is appropriate for school.

you would go ape shit and demand termination
btw the swastika is inappropriate, the MAGA hat not so much. Trump has not been convicted of a crime yet
i knew you would lump them together

And yes, it likely needs some rules, otherwise it becomes a human rights tribunal issue. Believe me John, my goal isn’t to see this the norm. The only way (I see) the school board touching it, is for the Province to enact the Professionalism Standards as they indicated they would.

tell him to leave the freak show at home ,and act like a professional in front of the kids, it's a condition of employment

I promise you, you do not want the copy cats motivated because the courts telling the school they violated his rights.

Copy cats?
Teachers are expected to be professionals for gods sakes


How many hiding in the closet, freak show teachers do you figure on ?
Hopefully this guy is the one in a million , if not the ministry of education needs to change its hiring practices

 

[JohnLarue]

Well, I am not sure how "identification as a women" works, but we are told that gender is a continuous variable. So, maybe he feels like a woman now but maybe he is just confused and not sure if he is a women or man and in a year or two his feeling will change. I doubt he needs to prove his identification and it is damn hard to prove he is a fraud. Basically, there are two possibilities: he is a nut job that truly identifies himself as a women (nut job not because of self-identification, but because of his choice of the boobs - it would be true for any biological women too) or he is just having fun. If he is an introvert and does not/need friends or is not a big talker, he should be fine. Hell, I would like to do the same thing a couple of years before retirement. I like this shit.

I doubt this is a mocking stunt
I would not be surprised though if the end result is a big payout to him by the province

 

[Valcazar]

I doubt this is a mocking stunt
I would not be surprised though if the end result is a big payout to him by the province

If you believe that, then the idea that it is a stunt specifically aiming for a payout is a possible answer to your question about why someone would risk their career.

 

[Valcazar]

Am I the only one here who strongly believes that this guy simply mocking libtards? What are the evidence except him wearing a dress? Did he date anyone except women in the past? Kissed a man?

No.
As I said, there are a bunch of unanswered questions.
Some people may think what is going on is obvious from the viral pictures, but I don't think there is nearly enough information to be certain.
Won't stop the people who want to use this politically of course.

 

[y2kmark]

To get back to the original question. I believe in freedom for myself only, everyone else needs to follow very specific rules. This could qualify me as a religious leader and I would have a permanent tax exemption. Now that would be freedom...