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Samranchoi

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Just a thought. There are Asian agencies who only have Asian women working for them. And they are operated by Asian individuals (MW and ASB and BH and two of these are operated by women who started in the business and I know of another Asian woman who worked in the business and had her own agency).

Why is it not possible for women of colour to not start an agency or collective with mostly women of colour only? Instead of operating in silos, this could be a good thing if they start working together. Instead of being an “afterthought” in an agency, they can market themselves totally differently. There is strength in numbers and all it takes is someone to take that first step.
 

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Just a thought. There are Asian agencies who only have Asian women working for them. And they are operated by Asian individuals (MW and ASB and BH and two of these are operated by women who started in the business and I know of another Asian woman who worked in the business and had her own agency).

Why is it not possible for women of colour to not start an agency or collective with mostly women of colour only? Instead of operating in silos, this could be a good thing if they start working together. Instead of being an “afterthought” in an agency, they can market themselves totally differently. There is strength in numbers and all it takes is someone to take that first step.
When I lived in Montréal 15 years ago there was a popular and frequently reviewed agency on merb called Chocolate Love Divas which hired almost exclusively black women. I think out of the 15-20 girls on the roster they had 1 BBW white girl.
 

Samranchoi

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I’m not 100% sure where you got this information about how there isn’t a demand for black provider and bbw providers…all of my black girl friends as well as bbw girlfriends are all booked and busy. Just because you may not be attracted, doesn’t mean there isn’t a demand.
I am sorry if you are taking what I said in the context that you did. My comment is in relation to the thread title “Racism in SP Agencies and MP”. I have no doubt that black women and larger women are busy but in the context of the thread, the blame should not only be placed upon the agency as I have said in previous posts. You have to ask yourself why some of Toronto’s larger agencies do not have s higher percentage of black women and BBW’s on their rosters. Is it because the agency owners do not like them or their clientele?
 
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Czar

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Considering the outright blatant racism we see in society of people of colour being given preference for hiring in government, banks, businesses, etc, I would assume that if this industry is a reflection of society, then there is racism in its hiring as well. Just not as stated.
 
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Just a thought. There are Asian agencies who only have Asian women working for them. And they are operated by Asian individuals (MW and ASB and BH and two of these are operated by women who started in the business and I know of another Asian woman who worked in the business and had her own agency).

Why is it not possible for women of colour to not start an agency or collective with mostly women of colour only? Instead of operating in silos, this could be a good thing if they start working together. Instead of being an “afterthought” in an agency, they can market themselves totally differently. There is strength in numbers and all it takes is someone to take that first step.
Good point in showing the racism we see. No mention of it though when we see an agency dedicated to a minority race. Then the accusers look the other way. Here come the excuses from the frauds.
 

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Frank Underwood said:
Black people in general have to work much harder in whatever field they are in, and in the escort industry it's obvious by looking at the disproportionate amount of black girls working, compared to white girls. On the one hand, most escort agencies will not hire black women, I make this claim based on the rosters that you see at most agencies. Example, HPL, do they even have a single black girl there?

As you continue to browse the rosters of all the agencies you will see a disproportionate representation of black women. Not just HPL, I just used them as an example because they really make it a point to only hire cookie cutter looking white girls.

The part above is pure idiocy at its finest.


Are "black people" working much harder at Lambeau Field ?? Are "black people" working much harder at Soldier Field? Are "black people" working much harder in center field???


Escorting is a business where supply is determined by demand, and not "racism" (as if that papasan gazes out over a sea of prospects and herds them into categories and adheres to his own policy to never hire POC for any reason ).

What you are suggesting is "... will not hire..." is more accurately a function of "... will not apply to BE hired..." at a rate to mirror the general population, and that despite it being widely accepted that "POC" might tend to be lower income earners than their Caucasian counterparts across the general population (and perhaps more plentiful and willing to ply the world's oldest profession).

Many years ago at a club in San Francisco the POC filed a lawsuit of some sort because POC were not given as many opportunities to work in the "private one-on-one peep show booths" where a dancer there can make the most money. The factual realities were studied at great length and it was clear to see that POC simply didn't garner much income for the club in those settings and that it wasn't raw racism which dictated the distribution of the dancers working in the private booths.
 

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Considering the outright blatant racism we see in society of people of colour being given preference for hiring in government, banks, businesses, etc,

Uh, that wouldn't fly among those who feel that you can't have 'racism' without power.

It isn't even relevant.
 

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Since my repost back in Sept I've had a few conversations with SP Agency owners and Legal Reps in the industry. My sources will remain anonymous and please don't shoot the messenger.

Supply and demand is a factor in all industries but in regards to SP Agencies recruiting and reliability of the SP's they hire is the most challenging.

Many established agencies will naturally attract existing SP's or from SA, Sugar Babies and other sources. For both parties, the agency and the escort, it's about making money but for the agency it's equally important to conduct business without attracting attention from LE. Especially concerning trafficking and keeping in good standing with the hotels or condo's they use.

When agencies book hotels or use condo's, they are looking for a clean return of their investment with as little drama as possible.

Sp's that do not get booked up, or don't show up for their shift, or have a substance abuse problem, or have a boyfriend/pimp that gets involved are all reasons that Agencies will move on from SP's. Not making money is obvious but drama free operations is equally important as noted above.

The consistent feedback I received is SP's of colour often come with too much baggage especially with their boyfriend/pimp's getting involved. The low percentage of black SP's with agencies is not based on racism or based on supply and demand but more on running a profitable business as smooth as possible. Having to deal with LE or having to change their locations regarding hotels or condo's is a major disruption to agencies.

Again please don't shoot the messenger but that is what I'm consistently hearing from Insiders in the industry.
 

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Two agencies that are the most popular are SFT and Discreet Dolls, also they are most diverse, and half of the time pays black women more than white women. Alot of discreet dolls escorts are black.
 

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I’m not 100% sure where you got this information about how there isn’t a demand for black provider and bbw providers…all of my black girl friends as well as bbw girlfriends are all booked and busy. Just because you may not be attracted, doesn’t mean there isn’t a demand.
I don't think the comments were to suggest there isn't a demand, I think the comment suggests there is a higher demand for some more than others and it is the " some " that make running an agency lucrative enough to be worth the time and trouble.

This entire thread should have died long ago with the simple answer, MONEY TALKS. However, it now sails on the endless seas of racism.
 

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The part above is pure idiocy at its finest.


Are "black people" working much harder at Lambeau Field ?? Are "black people" working much harder at Soldier Field? Are "black people" working much harder in center field???


Escorting is a business where supply is determined by demand, and not "racism" (as if that papasan gazes out over a sea of prospects and herds them into categories and adheres to his own policy to never hire POC for any reason ).

What you are suggesting is "... will not hire..." is more accurately a function of "... will not apply to BE hired..." at a rate to mirror the general population, and that despite it being widely accepted that "POC" might tend to be lower income earners than their Caucasian counterparts across the general population (and perhaps more plentiful and willing to ply the world's oldest profession).

Many years ago at a club in San Francisco the POC filed a lawsuit of some sort because POC were not given as many opportunities to work in the "private one-on-one peep show booths" where a dancer there can make the most money. The factual realities were studied at great length and it was clear to see that POC simply didn't garner much income for the club in those settings and that it wasn't raw racism which dictated the distribution of the dancers working in the private booths.
It is either I don't speak English well enough, or you didn't do a good job at putting your point across. Are you saying that black people don't work harder in professional sports and that is somehow proving something? I don't get it, but it sounds to me like you are trying to hit me with an "all lives matter" retort which is obviously racist trying to take the spotlight away from the destruction of black lives and refocus it on the inequities the white man may be suffering.

Are you trying to say white men have to work harder at football? Can you please clarify.
 
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Since my repost back in Sept I've had a few conversations with SP Agency owners and Legal Reps in the industry. My sources will remain anonymous and please don't shoot the messenger.

Supply and demand is a factor in all industries but in regards to SP Agencies recruiting and reliability of the SP's they hire is the most challenging.

Many established agencies will naturally attract existing SP's or from SA, Sugar Babies and other sources. For both parties, the agency and the escort, it's about making money but for the agency it's equally important to conduct business without attracting attention from LE. Especially concerning trafficking and keeping in good standing with the hotels or condo's they use.

When agencies book hotels or use condo's, they are looking for a clean return of their investment with as little drama as possible.

Sp's that do not get booked up, or don't show up for their shift, or have a substance abuse problem, or have a boyfriend/pimp that gets involved are all reasons that Agencies will move on from SP's. Not making money is obvious but drama free operations is equally important as noted above.

The consistent feedback I received is SP's of colour often come with too much baggage especially with their boyfriend/pimp's getting involved. The low percentage of black SP's with agencies is not based on racism or based on supply and demand but more on running a profitable business as smooth as possible. Having to deal with LE or having to change their locations regarding hotels or condo's is a major disruption to agencies.

Again please don't shoot the messenger but that is what I'm consistently hearing from Insiders in the industry.
Man I was going to stay out of this until I read this. It is obvious to me, that the person who told you this was indeed an agency owner but a racist one. This person tried to blame black sex workers for being unable to get hired because of perceived shortcomings such as drug addiction etc...

Like I told another racist (not you, I am not calling you a racist) not long ago, we live in a white country where the majority of the population is white. In a white country anybody trying to pain minorities as the source of crime is racist.

In a white country, anybody who tries to convince you that drugs is a black or minority problem is a racist. White people consume drugs like crazy, and they tend to consume the expensive stuff. Cocaine, heroin, etc...

In a white country anybody trying to say that blacks are more unpunctual is racist. I know white people that not only show up when they feel like but I don't think it's genetically imbedded into them to be late it's more a matter of education and habits.

In a white country, anybody saying that black women are more drama than white women is a racist. Are you kidding me? I have not met a woman that is not drama regardless of the race. Age is more a factor here but not race.

In a white country, anybody telling you that blacks or Asians are more likely to be trafficked or traffickers is a racist. If we are going to talk about pimps, the white girls at the strip clubs are more likely to be pimped than the black ones. And so you know, pimps are not exclusively black. There is middle eastern pimps, latinos, asian, tons of greeks, oodles of eastern european etc... Leolist and Backpages were full of WHITE women being trafficked, actually I would argue that IF backpages was full of black women being trafficked then it would still be around, but when a problem hits the white population then they had to take a stance.

When I started this conversation, I already knew the answer to the question. It's supply and demand. You can interpret that as you will, but it is obvious to me that TERB is housing more than a handful of racists like @Phil C. McNasty
 
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Two agencies that are the most popular are SFT and Discreet Dolls, also they are most diverse, and half of the time pays black women more than white women. Alot of discreet dolls escorts are black.
That's fucked up lol. Paying them more just because they're black?
 

Samranchoi

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Here is a challenge to all of the agency owners out there. Come into this thread and provide your point of view on this matter. What is the reason there are not more black women working in your agencies. Some assume it is due to profitability. Others say you are racist or at a minimum, as others have suggested, there could be other issues associated with having a black woman working for you and it is not worth your time/effort. Or it could be they don’t want to work for you.

And for any black women here, what is the reason there are so few black women working in ALL of Toronto’s large agencies. Is it your choice or the are you told “no thank you”.
 
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That's fucked up lol. Paying them more just because they're black?
That statement doesn't seem correct. I doubt the colour of the skin tone is a reflection of price



I think one qualifies to get compensated more based on the number of positive reviews they have / the amount of customer retention they generate.

Also depends on whether the party wishes to charge more or not , once they reach that higher status. This is just how im interpreting it
 

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I am sorry if you are taking what I said in the context that you did. My comment is in relation to the thread title “Racism in SP Agencies and MP”. I have no doubt that black women and larger women are busy but in the context of the thread, the blame should not only be placed upon the agency as I have said in previous posts. You have to ask yourself why some of Toronto’s larger agencies do not have s higher percentage of black women and BBW’s on their rosters. Is it because the agency owners do not like them or their clientele?
Honestly all skin tones are beautiful. No one should be treated unfair because of their skin colour. Everyone should have equal representation and opportunities in any industry no matter what colour they are.

In the escort industry clients do have preferences of who they see and there’s nothing wrong with that, as long as their not being racist or negative towards the woman of colour in the industry. If agencies are really not giving equal opportunity to sps because their “not in demand” then there’s certainly something wrong with that.

However, since we are talking about racism in escorting, just like us clients have preferences of who we see, the sps have just as much right of who they want to see. On some agency sites especially hpl, you’ll see in certain sps profile it will say “no Asian clients” or “no Indian clients” or “no black clients”.
 

Czar

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Like I told another racist not long ago, we live in a white country where the majority of the population is white. In a white country anybody trying to pain minorities as the source of crime is racist.

You can interpret that as you will, but it is obvious to me that TERB is housing more than a handful of racists like @Phil C. McNasty
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was worried when I did a google search that something might not make sense:

toronto most wanted - Google Search
 
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