I thought this was a very interesting subject to continue a discussion.
Luna_x
Yesterday at 5:07 PM
I'm sorry but maybe I'm reading too much into this. Maybe I'm a super noob. I hate to be the privileged white man with the white cape... what do I know but I don't understand the work arounds but the mention of her skin-tone in 2021 was quite interesting. I guess racism and colorism is acceptable here. Seeing that no one else pointed it out and has on other forums I guess this is normal practice here.
kherg007
Well-known member
Yesterday at 5:58 PM
I think it is attraction full stop not colourism. We are attracted to what we are attracted to. For whatever reason. Dictating preference is what is odious to me. (I know that's not what you're doing btw). But no one should have to defend his or her or their attraction preferences as long as the person attracted to is of the age and mind to consent. Not being attracted to white women is not racist. Not being attracted to any type is not racist. Not hiring them for employment, denying them education, based on ethnicity is racist.
I think the reality is many things cause us to be physically attracted to another. Eyes, body type, hair colour, personality, height, and yes, skin tone, all matter (and are physical). And this is a site devoted to mainly (not exclusively, shout out to FCIB!) men attracted to women such that they are willing to spend resources to share some companionship. Thus they will exercise their preferences however they came about. Some are attracted to lighter complexions. Some of us attracted to the darker complexions. Sometimes it's hair. There are heaps of blokes who go gaga over redheads. Or long hair. Not me. It's a physiology thing.
If this site was about hiring office jobs, then you'd be right. How our preferences come about may be another issue worth discussing. However, it exists, and this forum exists to help people effectively meet those preferences.
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Luna_x
Yesterday at 6:16 PM
Fair. Thanks for explaining this to me. There is still a lot to break down with what you expressed but like you stated this is a hobbyist review forum where things deemed unacceptable in the normal world are perfectly acceptable here. I get what your saying 100% but there is more to it than just surface level preferences. Just browsing through SP Twitter the experiences of providers of color far differ than the experiences from white "fair-skinned" providers. However, this isn't a university lecture hall so I'll refrain from delving deeper on the matter. I guess as a white man hearing that an Asian man is looking for "white" skin alarmed me for some reason. It's not an OP issue but a far deeper one... again I recognize this is not the platform for this conversation.
G.D. Gentleman
Well-known member
Yesterday at 11:03 PM
Frank Underwood said:
Firstly, I would like to acknowledge @kherg007 and commend him on an excellent post.
I am going to hijack this thread, because I believe that, contrary to what you may think, this forum is actually full of intelligent people whose opinions I value and respect. Sure there are trolls too, but I enjoy debating with my group of online buddies these kind of things.
The escort industry is racist. Full stop, no ifs and or buts about it. Your observation about black providers or POC women on twitter is entirely correct, they certainly have a different experience than a white blond girl. Black people in general have to work much harder in whatever field they are in, and in the escort industry it's obvious by looking at the disproportionate amount of black girls working, compared to white girls. On the one hand, most escort agencies will not hire black women, I make this claim based on the rosters that you see at most agencies. Example, HPL, do they even have a single black girl there?
As you continue to browse the rosters of all the agencies you will see a disproportionate representation of black women. Not just HPL, I just used them as an example because they really make it a point to only hire cookie cutter looking white girls.
Another thing that you will observe is how a lot of the agencies will list the ethnicity of the black escorts as "exotic" or anything other than just "black," and very often if the girl is light skinned enough she will be marketed as Indian, Latina, or anything but black because somehow black is bad.
I can't claim to have the answer as to why things are the way they are, but I suspect that it is probably a case of supply and demand. Just as with the rates discussion we have had, I think most of the things in this industry come down to supply and demand.
Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
GD Gentleman wrote:
Very interesting thoughts here Frank. It will be interesting to see what responses come (if they do) for further discussion.
When I think of SFT, TDL, Mirage, Hollywood Ladies and yes HPL - automatically it's easy to recognize 80-90% of their rosters are some heritage of Caucasian. Next would be (by a far distance) a choice of East Indian ladies and south East Asian.
Continuing this perspective one only has to look at the Steel Royal, Allure, Airport Golden Spa and other major Spa offerings to see much of this same trend.
There is the specific operations - MW, BH69 and ASB that you of course Frank are the resident expert in who are Asian only - except remember that one Caucasian lady who came in from Ottawa and worked with ASB? What was her name...she was awesome.
I point this out as most agencies and spas focus their roster selections as they see best and quietly go to market with a bit of a theme of who they have available to book with. It's a reality of the industry.
What I have noted is how few POC ladies are SP's in the GTA year after hear. @kherg007 is our resident expert (and appreciated for all he shares) and can correct me if I'm wrong....but there are so few of them currently working for us to choose from compared to the hundreds and hundreds of Caucasian ladies that are currently working.
Perhaps the Mods can snip these discussion points out and put them into their own discussion. I will try not hijack this review of Ahri any further if possible.
Luna_x
Yesterday at 5:07 PM
I'm sorry but maybe I'm reading too much into this. Maybe I'm a super noob. I hate to be the privileged white man with the white cape... what do I know but I don't understand the work arounds but the mention of her skin-tone in 2021 was quite interesting. I guess racism and colorism is acceptable here. Seeing that no one else pointed it out and has on other forums I guess this is normal practice here.
kherg007
Well-known member
Yesterday at 5:58 PM
I think it is attraction full stop not colourism. We are attracted to what we are attracted to. For whatever reason. Dictating preference is what is odious to me. (I know that's not what you're doing btw). But no one should have to defend his or her or their attraction preferences as long as the person attracted to is of the age and mind to consent. Not being attracted to white women is not racist. Not being attracted to any type is not racist. Not hiring them for employment, denying them education, based on ethnicity is racist.
I think the reality is many things cause us to be physically attracted to another. Eyes, body type, hair colour, personality, height, and yes, skin tone, all matter (and are physical). And this is a site devoted to mainly (not exclusively, shout out to FCIB!) men attracted to women such that they are willing to spend resources to share some companionship. Thus they will exercise their preferences however they came about. Some are attracted to lighter complexions. Some of us attracted to the darker complexions. Sometimes it's hair. There are heaps of blokes who go gaga over redheads. Or long hair. Not me. It's a physiology thing.
If this site was about hiring office jobs, then you'd be right. How our preferences come about may be another issue worth discussing. However, it exists, and this forum exists to help people effectively meet those preferences.
Last edited: Yesterday at 7:48 PM
Luna_x
Yesterday at 6:16 PM
Fair. Thanks for explaining this to me. There is still a lot to break down with what you expressed but like you stated this is a hobbyist review forum where things deemed unacceptable in the normal world are perfectly acceptable here. I get what your saying 100% but there is more to it than just surface level preferences. Just browsing through SP Twitter the experiences of providers of color far differ than the experiences from white "fair-skinned" providers. However, this isn't a university lecture hall so I'll refrain from delving deeper on the matter. I guess as a white man hearing that an Asian man is looking for "white" skin alarmed me for some reason. It's not an OP issue but a far deeper one... again I recognize this is not the platform for this conversation.
G.D. Gentleman
Well-known member
Yesterday at 11:03 PM
Frank Underwood said:
Firstly, I would like to acknowledge @kherg007 and commend him on an excellent post.
I am going to hijack this thread, because I believe that, contrary to what you may think, this forum is actually full of intelligent people whose opinions I value and respect. Sure there are trolls too, but I enjoy debating with my group of online buddies these kind of things.
The escort industry is racist. Full stop, no ifs and or buts about it. Your observation about black providers or POC women on twitter is entirely correct, they certainly have a different experience than a white blond girl. Black people in general have to work much harder in whatever field they are in, and in the escort industry it's obvious by looking at the disproportionate amount of black girls working, compared to white girls. On the one hand, most escort agencies will not hire black women, I make this claim based on the rosters that you see at most agencies. Example, HPL, do they even have a single black girl there?
As you continue to browse the rosters of all the agencies you will see a disproportionate representation of black women. Not just HPL, I just used them as an example because they really make it a point to only hire cookie cutter looking white girls.
Another thing that you will observe is how a lot of the agencies will list the ethnicity of the black escorts as "exotic" or anything other than just "black," and very often if the girl is light skinned enough she will be marketed as Indian, Latina, or anything but black because somehow black is bad.
I can't claim to have the answer as to why things are the way they are, but I suspect that it is probably a case of supply and demand. Just as with the rates discussion we have had, I think most of the things in this industry come down to supply and demand.
Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
GD Gentleman wrote:
Very interesting thoughts here Frank. It will be interesting to see what responses come (if they do) for further discussion.
When I think of SFT, TDL, Mirage, Hollywood Ladies and yes HPL - automatically it's easy to recognize 80-90% of their rosters are some heritage of Caucasian. Next would be (by a far distance) a choice of East Indian ladies and south East Asian.
Continuing this perspective one only has to look at the Steel Royal, Allure, Airport Golden Spa and other major Spa offerings to see much of this same trend.
There is the specific operations - MW, BH69 and ASB that you of course Frank are the resident expert in who are Asian only - except remember that one Caucasian lady who came in from Ottawa and worked with ASB? What was her name...she was awesome.
I point this out as most agencies and spas focus their roster selections as they see best and quietly go to market with a bit of a theme of who they have available to book with. It's a reality of the industry.
What I have noted is how few POC ladies are SP's in the GTA year after hear. @kherg007 is our resident expert (and appreciated for all he shares) and can correct me if I'm wrong....but there are so few of them currently working for us to choose from compared to the hundreds and hundreds of Caucasian ladies that are currently working.
Perhaps the Mods can snip these discussion points out and put them into their own discussion. I will try not hijack this review of Ahri any further if possible.
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