Israeli snipers attack Gaza children

[basketcase]

One of those polls said 45% of the people living inside Israel say Israel is apartheid.
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Of course you don't look at the actual polling data because only 28% of Israelis think the description fits or somewhat fits. But nice of you to provide yet another survey that shows both sides reject the One State farce you want to force them into.

Why is it you want to discuss what you want but hide from what Palestinian's want like the fact that so many reject the idea of peace and support violence?

 

[basketcase]

Those were Palestinian protesters, they don't have rifles or serious weapons.
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So the gun that killed the Israeli solder or the improvised explosives aren't dangerous? But just another attempt for you to justify Palestinian violence instead of actually calling for peace.

 

[contact]

1) Israeli rockets target specific targets that they deem military. Neither you nor I are given access to the target information Israel has access to but there is absolutely nothing illegal about military strikes on military targets.

2) Of course not and I've repeatedly described the militant settlers as terrorists.

But of course you're incapable of answering my questions.

The way this guy doesn’t answer anyone’s questions I believe it’s a second account of Frank’s

 

[basketcase]

Bullshit.

Answer this, here's a report from Al Jazeera detailing yet another attack by settlers with the backing of the IDF on Palestinians. A near daily event.
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I've described settler attacks on Palestinians and Palestinian attacks on settlers as terrorism. You're the one who uses it for Jews but claims it is racist to apply to groups like Hamas.

Your justification for attacks on Jews because some other Jews are terrorists is exactly the collective punishment you complain about with your famous double standard.

 

[basketcase]

So you would be ok with Palestinians killing the settlers who did this?

I think Palestinians have the right to defend themselves from the specific settlers who are attacking them the same as Israelis have the right of self defense against the specific Palestinians who attack them.

 

[basketcase]

Here's the poll of westerners that you're looking for:
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As usual you have trouble reading in explaining your elitist viewpoint. Of course you support the right of westerners to make decisions for the people actually there.

 

[basketcase]

The accusation of terrorism is meant to dehumanize all Palestinians in order to justify suspending all the rules of war and basic human rights....

Damn, Canada must be such an evil country for describing Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PFLP, and other Palestinian factions as terrorist entities.

meanwhile you freely use the same term in describing any action Israel does. Double standard from the king of double standards?

 

[basketcase]

I back the views of IJVCanada, Ifnotnow and of course some progressive Palestinian groups.
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While demanding the Israel force the Palestinians into something that only 6% of Palestinians prefer.

Of course basketcase has called BDS anti-semitic

To be precise I said that BDS is deeply affiliated with racists, something the government of Canada has stated as well.

And you have yet to explain why you think that Israel can solve the conflict by forcing the Palestinians into something they don't want.

 

[basketcase]

The solution is easy. Equality. But that’s anathema to Zionism. It’s all about supremacy. What a perfect example of that supremacy…kill Palestinian children and then blame them for killing them.

Strange that you want equity and criticize Jews for not wanting it (even though Israeli Arabs already have full legal rights) while ignoring the fact that Palestinians overwhelmingly hate the idea.

 

[basketcase]

But if they had caught them in the act you would have been ok with Palestinians killing them and settler children if they were standing nearby? Right?

Like with any police force, arrest is the first goal but when Palestinian militants get into a gun battle to prevent it, arrest is no longer an option.

 

[basketcase]

Hamas came to exist as a reaction to the occupation and apartheid.
If you want to get rid of them you need to end the occupation and give Palestinians full rights.
And you need to stop supporting acts that are way worse than Hamas's that are committed by Israel.

Support BDS and equal rights.

So Hamas terrorism is acceptable because they are mad at Israel existing?

And to be precise, Hamas came into existence because the PLO started to become more moderate and Hamas couldn't accept the idea of negotiating with Jews.

 

[basketcase]

Except the fact is Israel is not labeled or designated as a Terrorist state by anyone

Hamas on the other hand IS Designated Terrorist by the United States Canada Japan Australia the entire European Union and Israel

I'm sure one of them will make some comment about Israel and Jewish voters controlling other countries.

 

[basketcase]

... "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims"

Military strikes on military targets are lawful, even if there are civilian casualties (as long as the threat from the target outweighs civilian harm).

Attacks like these ones are terrorism, no matter which side are the attackers.

Palestinians stone Israeli car, which crashes, as Jerusalem seethes

On a busy street outside Jerusalem's walled Old City on Monday,

www.reuters.com

Settlers filmed throwing stones at Palestinians, attacking left-wing activists

Israeli military confirms incident took place, says Palestinians also threw rocks at troops

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[basketcase]

Fortunately the free world is coming around.
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Sure. That's why so many western countries have strong trade relations with Israel while considering Hamas a terrorist group.

 

[basketcase]

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Olmert and a few other Israeli leaders warned them of this decades ago yet they foolishly kept on with the colonial settler shit and now have destroyed the possibility of the two state solution.

Nothing to do with Abbas walking away from Olmert's offer and Hamas rejecting even the concept of peace talks.

 

[contact]

I'm sure one of them will make some comment about Israel and Jewish voters controlling other countries.

they have before claimed Israel controls Egypt’s border

 

[basketcase]

they have before claimed Israel controls Egypt’s border

And the US, Canada, ...

 

[Frankfooter]

1) Israeli rockets target specific targets that they deem military. Neither you nor I are given access to the target information Israel has access to but there is absolutely nothing illegal about military strikes on military targets.

Residential towers are not military targets.
Civilian protesters are not military targets.
Children are not military targets.
'Deeming' something a military target doesn't make it so, otherwise there would be no terrorism ever, since everyone would 'deem' that whatever they hit was military.
Oh wait, that's exactly what you and the IDF are doing.

2) Of course not and I've repeatedly described the militant settlers as terrorists.

Yet when I stated that you claimed I was justifying targeting civilians.

 

[contact]

Residential towers are not military targets.
Civilian protesters are not military targets.
Children are not military targets.
'Deeming' something a military target doesn't make it so, otherwise there would be no terrorism ever, since everyone would 'deem' that whatever they hit was military.
Oh wait, that's exactly what you and the IDF are doing.



Yet when I stated that you claimed I was justifying targeting civilians.

yes They are when a military/armed force use a civilian structure those structures become legitimate military targets if they store weapons or equipment in there or use as an observation post it is a legitimate military target

guess what Frank Israel has no requirement to release any information on said targets

there is a Bunch of footage of hamas using
Civilian Structures for military purposes including storing weapons and equipment in hospitals and schools and purposely digging their tunnels around said structures including un buildings

thing is Frank hamas is a Terrorist group Designated such by most of the free world and you continue to support them which means you are a supporter of terrorism

 

[Frankfooter]

Of course you don't look at the actual polling data because only 28% of Israelis think the description fits or somewhat fits. But nice of you to provide yet another survey that shows both sides reject the One State farce you want to force them into.

Why is it you want to discuss what you want but hide from what Palestinian's want like the fact that so many reject the idea of peace and support violence?

45% of Israelis say Israel is apartheid.
You need to stop trying to blame the victims, this is way past that. The occupation has been going on far longer than Hamas has been around for it, the blame lies on the military occupiers, not the victims.
You need to start figuring out how you're going to help end apartheid.

So Hamas terrorism is acceptable because they are mad at Israel existing?

No terrorism is acceptable.
Apartheid is not acceptable.
The occupation is not acceptable.

Sure. That's why so many western countries have strong trade relations with Israel while considering Hamas a terrorist group.

Lots of countries have trade deals with Saudi Arabia and Russia as well.
And sometimes we put sanctions on those countries for human rights abuses.

To be precise I said that BDS is deeply affiliated with racists, something the government of Canada has stated as well.

You're supporting apartheid, basketcase. Accusing someone else of being 'affiliated with racists' when you're here defending apartheid is like saying your views aren't 'affiliated' with cantaro and contact's views.