Why Tipping Is A Scam!!!
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The last time I was in Italy it was explained to me that the servers earn a salary from the employer. They do not rely on tips for a living. This is not the same in the U.S. and Canada where servers are paid min wage or even less than that. The vast majority of their income is derived from tips. Some establishments have the tips go into one pot and then divided up by the staff. There are even some employers that will dip into that pot themselves.
So yeah.....
So yeah.....
A trick that we all fall for is tipping on the tax amount too, making 15% really about 17%.
The whole system is flawed because the servers' livelihood is exposed to the whims of the customers.
The whole system is flawed because the servers' livelihood is exposed to the whims of the customers.
I have to agree with "Mr. White" about the importance of tipping. What I don't like is tips expected for other transactions in which they really provided no service other than processing your payment. There are more and more tip jars in various retail outlets that are not traditional tipping transactions.
The other thing I was shocked to learn about is some restaurants asking that customers buy a round of beer for the kitchen staff. That's shameful and problematic..... I don't want drunk cooks preparing my food nor do I want them driving home after their shift with a few beers bought by customers. I'd rather put that money into a larger tip asking that it be shared with the staff rather than be conned by the owner into buying more beer at inflated prices.
The other thing I was shocked to learn about is some restaurants asking that customers buy a round of beer for the kitchen staff. That's shameful and problematic..... I don't want drunk cooks preparing my food nor do I want them driving home after their shift with a few beers bought by customers. I'd rather put that money into a larger tip asking that it be shared with the staff rather than be conned by the owner into buying more beer at inflated prices.
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There are two things I can't stand in life, those that are intolerant of other cultures and the Dutch.
I think the culture of food and dining out is totally different in Europe vs most other places. They generally take their time eating. Pretty much everyone else wants to shovel food in their mouths and get the hell out. I think the French view waiters as being in a honourable profession. I'm sure this has gradually changed as more Western food chains have expanded globally though.
I have never heard of being asked to buy a round for kitchen staff. Where was that?
I haven't encountered it myself but i remember discovering this in twitter thread that made it seem like common knowledge, though that may have been in US or elsewhere. I tried googling it and only found these example " " and https://www.opentable.co.th/3rd-and-ferry-fish-market and
If the hired guns (aka beautiful girls) working in restaurants actually refused to work for minimum wage, the restaurateur would have to pay a higher wage. But, these hired guns will never do that. (Some might say that beauty breeds laziness; but some might say other negative things about beautiful girls.) So we the sheep subsidize their pay.
Now, I don't mind doing that if the service is like Earls restaurants out West. Earls is like Milestones or Moxies, only difference is that all their girls are fuck-worthy! Here is how Earls does it:
1. All the girls that work there are hot af. (Almost considered moving to Winterpeg after experiencing it. Yes seriously.)
2. They wear sexy not trashy outfits.
3. A hot girl will seat you at your table
4. A different hot girl will take your order
5. An even different hot girl will bring your food
6. An even more different girl will ask you how is your meal.
7. While eating random hot girls will clean the bottles at the bar. They have to climb a long ladder to reach the bottles - strategically played very high on shelves near the ceiling. (God, this place is heaven sent!)
And when the bill comes, I definitely think a 20% tip is worth it. Actually, that is a bargain; when compared to the hobgoblins serving at the other restaurants.
As a former server it can be eliminated.
Of course all your meals and drinks will cost more. In case of bad service you really wont have any recourse. And you will have less serving staff. Most restaurants over staff now with 3-4 table sections. Which will slow things down a bit. And the hot girls? Well a bunch of them won't work anymore. Do you think they don't know they get cash due to looks. When I bartended I played service bar while my partner put on the low cut top. And we split it even. But for the most part they aren't great servers. So either crappier service from the ones in, and or less of them for hire as they will find other means of cash. And they sure won't dress sexy, or flirt with you. They won't have any reason to. Right? Unless they overpaid to wear it, and do it. Will you pay strip club prices for a beer everywhere?
There is a reason there are no chains like Hooters, Earl's, various sports bars etc. in Europe.
So there is the reality. Enjoy.
Of course all your meals and drinks will cost more. In case of bad service you really wont have any recourse. And you will have less serving staff. Most restaurants over staff now with 3-4 table sections. Which will slow things down a bit. And the hot girls? Well a bunch of them won't work anymore. Do you think they don't know they get cash due to looks. When I bartended I played service bar while my partner put on the low cut top. And we split it even. But for the most part they aren't great servers. So either crappier service from the ones in, and or less of them for hire as they will find other means of cash. And they sure won't dress sexy, or flirt with you. They won't have any reason to. Right? Unless they overpaid to wear it, and do it. Will you pay strip club prices for a beer everywhere?
There is a reason there are no chains like Hooters, Earl's, various sports bars etc. in Europe.
So there is the reality. Enjoy.
I don't know if I would agree that tipping is a scam, per se, but it is definitely getting out of control. I would be willing to pay more for my meals if I didn't have to tip, especially as tips have become so normalized that many establishments feel entitled to add a gratuity to the bill! This becomes even more egregious if you don't notice it and end up leaving an additional tip at the table.
What I really take exception to is the people who defend this cultural norm. Why can't a restaurant pay minimum wage just like any other business? If someone is skilled and/or brings in additional business for whatever reason (friendly, attractive, a flirt, whatever) they should be able to negotiate a higher pay than the person who does the bare minimum. Why should I, the customer, be responsible for rewarding the restaurant's staff for doing a good job? My only responsibility should be to act like a civilized human being, enjoy the food prepared, or not, pay my bill at the end and leave with a memory that will presumably cause me to choose to return to that establishment in the future.
If I get bad service my recourse is to choose not to return. Consistently bad service will result in the business closing, much like any other type of business. Personally I don't go to a restaurant to flirt with the waitress. Don't get me wrong, like any guy on a site like this, I would prefer to have an attractive server that is friendly but friendly and polite doesn't equal flirting and we aren't talking about a go-go bar with takeout service, lol.
Unfortunately we need the government to address this first. They need to eliminate the lower minimum wage for wait staff as this is the main argument I hear from people that defend tipping culture. Once that is done, hopefully our society will start to treat it like any other job. It isn't like a waitress or waiter has to put up with crap that nobody else has to deal with. I'm sure everyone could list at least a half dozen jobs that deal with crap on a daily basis, for minimum wage, that doesn't get a tip for doing what they are paid to do already.
What I really take exception to is the people who defend this cultural norm. Why can't a restaurant pay minimum wage just like any other business? If someone is skilled and/or brings in additional business for whatever reason (friendly, attractive, a flirt, whatever) they should be able to negotiate a higher pay than the person who does the bare minimum. Why should I, the customer, be responsible for rewarding the restaurant's staff for doing a good job? My only responsibility should be to act like a civilized human being, enjoy the food prepared, or not, pay my bill at the end and leave with a memory that will presumably cause me to choose to return to that establishment in the future.
If I get bad service my recourse is to choose not to return. Consistently bad service will result in the business closing, much like any other type of business. Personally I don't go to a restaurant to flirt with the waitress. Don't get me wrong, like any guy on a site like this, I would prefer to have an attractive server that is friendly but friendly and polite doesn't equal flirting and we aren't talking about a go-go bar with takeout service, lol.
Unfortunately we need the government to address this first. They need to eliminate the lower minimum wage for wait staff as this is the main argument I hear from people that defend tipping culture. Once that is done, hopefully our society will start to treat it like any other job. It isn't like a waitress or waiter has to put up with crap that nobody else has to deal with. I'm sure everyone could list at least a half dozen jobs that deal with crap on a daily basis, for minimum wage, that doesn't get a tip for doing what they are paid to do already.
Ha ha I know what you mean! I was a bartender/waiter for most of my 20's (got to university and other job later...).
One night a new bartender girl came for her first shift ever. She asked me why she would be doing client's and me service bar. I looked at her tits smiling haha She got it. Later that night I told her I was lucky because the tradition at that bar was for the new girl to give a blowjob to her partner. Of course I told her it was all bogus but she execute it anyhow... To my pleasure.
In all the years of working bars/club and restaurant I would say it's rare the staff will hook up with clients. But the quickies executed between the staff was very high.
