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Trudeau is experimenting on his people — and the world is watching

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May 5 Study- The study shows that Pfizer’s effectiveness against the British and South African variants are minimal after only one dose (29 per cent and 16.9 per cent, respectively), but become 89.5 per cent and 75 per cent effective, 14 days after the second dose.

This week, Ottawa doubled-down on its policy of treating the population like human guinea pigs by opening the door to mixing vaccines .


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau may not be able to attend the G7 meeting in Britain in June, because he may not be eligible to receive his second shot until Aug. 28, due to Canada’s four-month dosage-delay policy. And it’s entirely the prime minister’s fault. This week, Ottawa doubled-down on its policy of treating the population like human guinea pigs by opening the door to mixing vaccines. This is playing jazz with Canadian lives.

On May 5, a bombshell study of the Pfizer vaccine, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, showed the folly of what Ottawa is doing. It was conducted in Qatar and the data demonstrates the importance of receiving two doses administered 21 days apart, when it comes to fighting two variants, both of which are circulating in Canada.

The study shows that Pfizer’s effectiveness against the British and South African variants are minimal after only one dose (29 per cent and 16.9 per cent, respectively), but become 89.5 per cent and 75 per cent effective, 14 days after the second dose.

Trudeau should be forced to respond to this result and to justify the scientific basis for this country’s dose rationing. But he won’t, because the policy is not based on science, as Pfizer Canada’s CEO made clear in a recent interview.

Canada’s failure is being noticed by other countries — a situation that will be all that much worse if he fails to show up to the G7 summit. This week, a Canadian Press story quoted vaccine expert Dr. Peter Hotez, the dean of the school of tropical medicine at the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, who said he “was really astonished” when he found out that “about a third of (Canadians have) received a single dose and essentially no one’s gotten fully vaccinated.… I can’t believe the U.S. is not out there helping. It’s in our own enlightened self-interest to do it.”


The real question is not why Americans aren’t helping, it’s why should they have to? Fortunately, some Canadians are able to take matters into their own hands. Many snowbirds, or those with American relatives or friends, have gone south to get their jabs. Others are driving across the border after booking reservations in border states.

But all Canadians deserve to know if their government is making any efforts to secure help from the Americans, who are awash in vaccines. And while we’re at it, it would be nice to know how long a single jab provides protection for. And if the second shot is given after four months, will it provide the same protection as two doses administered three weeks apart, or will it essentially continue to provide the same amount of protection as the first shot did?

These are questions the government should have had answers to before it started using Canadians as lab rats. The media, and the Opposition, should be holding this government’s feet to the fire. And the provincial health-care systems should be up in arms. This is not the way a G7 country should behave. Period.

 

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It's a bit weird that this result isn't mentioned on the same page of the study but buried deep in the supplementary appendix.
According to one of the comments of the FT article who seams to have read the study in more detail than I, those 1 shot people would have gotten the second shot in 3 weeks where effectiveness would range from 0 [the day after] to well, higher towards the time of getting the second shot.
I would not panic on the basis of 1 study which didn't seem to be intended to look at the effectiveness of only 1 shot and even mentions those people as being excluded.
 
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It's a bit weird that this result isn't mentioned on the same page of the study but buried deep in the supplementary appendix.
According to one of the comments of the FT article who seams to have read the study in more detail than I, those 1 shot people would have gotten the second shot in 3 weeks where effectiveness would range from 0 [the day after] to well, higher towards the time of getting the second shot.
I would not panic on the basis of 1 study which didn't seem to be intended to look at the effectiveness of only 1 shot and even mentions those people as being excluded.
The manufacture suggested the 21 days for a reason. But I agree with the article, they're experimenting on us. The study is on New England Journal of Medicine . Infectious disease specialist today on TV that the old strain is gone and its all variants now.
 

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The manufacture suggested the 21 days for a reason. But I agree with the article, they're experimenting on us. The study is on New England Journal of Medicine . Infectious disease specialist today on TV that the old strain is gone and its all variants now.
21 days was to speed the vaccine out. Normally 2 stage vaccines have much longer intervals. However that is neither here nor there.
Was it an experiment, yes, but it seems to be a reasonable one. Also if you dig further down the comments, 1 dose seems to be working fine in Canada after 3 weeks based on the numbers in our variant rich environment.

The study did not look at the effectiveness of the shot 3 weeks out from the first dose, they did capture some data but that a lot of that would be before the first dose would become fully effective. Before they had a chance to become suitable for study, they would have gotten the second dose.

I think it is telling that the abstract of the "bombshell" article makes no mention of 1st dose effectiveness. There is a reason for that, the study didn't really test for it and the NEJM is a legitimate journal.

I not thrilled to wait for July for the second dose but from a public policy aspect it seems to have been the right decision. It seems the FT writer is just searching frantically through articles for anything she can use to attack Two-planes.
 
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If you think waiting more than 21 days between shots is some cardinal sin then wait a year or so until the vaccine is plentiful, and then get your two shots within 21 days.
 

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If you think waiting more than 21 days between shots is some cardinal sin then wait a year or so until the vaccine is plentiful, and then get your two shots within 21 days.
We're getting flooded with vaccines now, instead of giving the second shot to the most vulnerable now, they're handing out to everyone.
 

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We're getting flooded with vaccines now, instead of giving the second shot to the most vulnerable now, they're handing out to everyone.
As they should because it's the younger folks working driving the cases by bringing it home and spreading it to family members.
 

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As they should because it's the younger folks working driving the cases by bringing it home and spreading it to family members.
There is a reason the started giving out the vaccine to the older folks first. With the double dosage the seniors will be protected and not die like they're doing in the thousands. Unfortunately the Groper failed in procuring the vaccines.
 

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There is a reason the started giving out the vaccine to the older folks first. With the double dosage the seniors will be protected and not die like they're doing in the thousands. Unfortunately the Groper failed in procuring the vaccines.
The people who are now filling up the ICUs to capacity are no longer the very old people.
 
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There is a reason the started giving out the vaccine to the older folks first. With the double dosage the seniors will be protected and not die like they're doing in the thousands. Unfortunately the Groper failed in procuring the vaccines.
So you are just ignoring all the recent evidence then.
 

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Do you have a link for that?
Google is your friend.


 
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Google is your friend.


We're talking about Canada, so I'll refer to the globalnews link.

It is saying that more young people are ending up in the hospital than before, which I agree with but I'm refering to the deaths...and those are more seniors than youngsters.
 

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The people who are now filling up the ICUs to capacity are no longer the very old people.
Hungsowl was not referring to deaths

Do you have a link for that?
You in turn asked for a link
We're talking about Canada, so I'll refer to the globalnews link.
I knew you would say this so I provided a Canadian link

It is saying that more young people are ending up in the hospital than before, which I agree with but I'm refering to the deaths...and those are more seniors than youngsters.
You cannot spin your way out of it when I am able to throw your own posts back at ya so please follow the script, thank you.
 
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I think it is telling that the abstract of the "bombshell" article makes no mention of 1st dose effectiveness. There is a reason for that, the study didn't really test for it and the NEJM is a legitimate journal.
Like you say, the study wasn't studying the effects of one dose. If you go into the supplemental appendix you can even see that they dismissed a bunch of one dose candidates from the study. They were trying to measure effectiveness of the full regimen on the variants. It's a letter to NEJM, not a submitted study. You'll notice they don't discuss single dose at all in the letter other than to note some of the data, because it wasn't what they were looking at. You'll notice there is no comparison of days after the dose for one dose vs two dose regimens.
 
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We're talking about Canada, so I'll refer to the globalnews link.

It is saying that more young people are ending up in the hospital than before, which I agree with but I'm refering to the deaths...and those are more seniors than youngsters.
FFS
The article says

"An analysis of data published online by Health Canada suggests far fewer seniors ended up in hospital with COVID-19 in April than during the second wave peak in January.
But among people under 60, hospitalizations and ICU admissions went way up."

Far fewer seniors ended up in hospital. On what planet do you not make the inference that fewer are dying. There is no significant new medical treatment that would account for this.

Also this
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With more than eight in 10 people over 70 now vaccinated, severe outcomes are plummeting in that age group.

The number of people over 70 who died between March 26 and April 23 fell more than 77 per cent, while hospitalizations due to COVID-19 fell 44 per cent, and intensive care admissions fell 15 per cent."
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"Hospitalizations of people in their 20s and 30s grew 40 per cent, while ICU admissions grew by about 57 per cent."

You are just being stubborn

But then again, you have been correctly accused of this, and you continued on this path after it has been pointed out that you were in error.

You are using a single study to make the conclusion that the study says you should absolutely not make as a springboard to attack JT. WTF man.
now.
 
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The single dose vaccination using a two stage vaccines was a political decision based on nothing but a guess and hope- let's be honest, if we can. The decision was made to save the incompetent prime minister and boost the vaccination statistics. The whole "rollout" has been a lesson in the government incompetence- on all levels.
 

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Hungsowl was not referring to deaths



You in turn asked for a link


I knew you would say this so I provided a Canadian link



You cannot spin your way out of it when I am able to throw your own posts back at ya so please follow the script, thank you.
I'm referring to deaths, what did you think I was talking about? The idea is to vaccinate the elders first because they are more vulnerable. Youngsters maybe ending up in the hospital more but if its the seniors dying they should get help first.

I asked you for a link that shows me that younger people are dying more than the seniors. But you posted a link showing the other way around.


Of course I would want a canadian link we're talking about Canada not the US duh.


There is no spin here. The study shows that those with only 1 vaccine are more vulnerable to the variants, this is why the seniors should get their second shot right away while we have the supplies coming in rather than give it to the 18 years old that are stronger, and then after give it to the 18 years old.
 

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You are using a single study to make the conclusion that the study says you should absolutely not make as a springboard to attack JT. WTF man.
At least here we have a study on the new England journal of medicine, what is being done here with the 4 months delay doesn't have a study, its a experiment.
 
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