Graffiti on monument commemorating Nazi SS division being investigated as a hate crime by police

[xmontrealer]

Actually, What the Fuck is a nazi war memorial to the SS doing in Canada? How do you desecrate it? spray paint swastikas on it? Should be converted into a public toilet.

How about spray painting a bunch of blue & white "Stars of David" on it?

 

[jcpro]

MANY
But start at the top

Our PM during the war was William Lyon Mackenzie King
He has a whole bunch of issues, but the most obvious parallel was the Chinese Immigration Act (a massively racist piece of legislation that is no different than the discrimination the jews faced pre-war years)
Its ok though because to most people Asians were subhuman at the time
He also went after Japanese, Indian and the Native populations
And he was a card carrying racist since this month has been all about BLM
He might as well have worn his white hood in office
The race riots during those times are legendary, prob worst Canada has ever seen

Oh and lets not forget the fact he PUBLICLY applauded Adolph HItler (he was anti-Jew as well) and was anti-UK (there was a huge stink that we took the side of USA against Japan as the UK-Japanese alliance still existed at this time, the USA-Canada were opposed to them coming here)
And he conducted seances lol
And he was against the "displaced persons" (does not want to let WW2 refugees into Canada)

Fuck even Steven Harper had to publicly apologize for Kings issues, where have you been living?

I'm not going to dignify this with rebuttal.

 

[jcpro]

The allied people bombed civilian cities and killed hundreds of thousands of Germans who had nothing to do with the war.
Dresden is the most infamous of allied war crimes on a scale that rivals the jewish solutions but is hardly unique.

The UK and USA in particular deliberatly bombed schools and churches in a attempt to force the civilians to stop supporting the Nazis.
Paton and Churchill are monsters to rival Hitler (Paton even got demoted because he abused his OWN troops lol during war years that takes a special kind of asshole).

And all of this is compounded exponentially when you look at the aftermaths of both WW1 and WW2 which can only be described as punitive (eg the thousands of rapes and murders and thefts when Berlin fell; lots of artifacts ended up in US museums after the fact)

Actually, "area bombing" didn't target any specific infrastructure like schools or churches, it targeted the "area" as hitting individual targets was not possible in 1940s. Btw, it was a direct response to the German concept of total war and the indiscriminate and deliberate targeting of civilians by the German forces. Simply, the Allies(the good guys) gave the German the dose of their own medicine only magnified and more competently executed. Not a tear was shed by those on the receiving end of the German aggression. You may despair, though.

 

[Smooth60]

That is mostly true, but what is an undeniably true is that the Ukrainian SS units were involved in the unspeakable atrocities- as a rule not as an exception. As a liberal and a Canadian, I acknowledge the right of my fellow citizens to express themselves with a monument. But, I am sad that any human being would thought it a good idea to build a monument to murderers.

This is almost approaching the truth.

Even a reading of the condensed Wiki on this division would add a better understanding of what transpired and how the division is regarded.

It might also be a good idea to concentrate on interwar history for proximal understanding of the nature of relationships within the region. And I am sure that a longer view, as people in Europe generally have very long memories, of pre-Austro-Hungarian Empire tends to shape attitudes.

History is never easy. Especially when Historiography is unreliable and invalid.

 

[jcpro]

This is almost approaching the truth.

Even a reading of the condensed Wiki on this division would add a better understanding of what transpired and how the division is regarded.

It might also be a good idea to concentrate on interwar history for proximal understanding of the nature of relationships within the region. And I am sure that a longer view, as people in Europe generally have very long memories, of pre-Austro-Hungarian Empire tends to shape attitudes.

History is never easy. Especially when Historiography is unreliable and invalid.

What events in the interwar period would justify a wholesale slaughter of Jews and Poles?

 

[Smooth60]

What events in the interwar period would justify a wholesale slaughter of Jews and Poles?

You are misrepresenting the facts is my point. It isn't about justification, it is about explanation. Your's is a simplistic bordering on simple minded take on what transpired inspired by presentist attitudes.

 

[jcpro]

You are misrepresenting the facts is my point. It isn't about justification, it is about explanation. Your's is a simplistic bordering on simple minded take on what transpired inspired by presentist attitudes.

You didn't answer the question. Please provide any explanation or excuses for the ethnic cleansing performed by the Ukrainian military and paramilitary units during the 1941-1944. Being from that area of Europe I'm actually pretty well acquainted with the history, but maybe there is another explanation why thousands of innocent civilians are buried in mass graves? Was the indiscriminate murder of Jews some kind of cry for freedom? The decapitation, rape, torture and burning alive of Polish farmers a show of resolve for independence? How does one build a future on corpses? Why not give the Einsatzgruppen the same benefit of doubt?

 

[mandrill]

What events in the interwar period would justify a wholesale slaughter of Jews and Poles?

Oh shit! Now you got me into this.

Slaughtering the Jews, nothing can excuse. If the Germans are going to bear war guilt for this shit, then the Ukrainians should as well.

Slaughtering the Poles?.... Again nothing can really excuse this shit. But unlike the Jews, the Poles were themselves committing genocide against the Ukrainian population at the same time. Welcome to Eastern Europe, folks!! A place where every ethnic group is simultaneously committing genocide against every other ethnic group and they all blame the other guy!

And the Poles slaughtered Jews as well.

And the best those Poles and Ukrainians could hope for if the Soviets took over - which they did - is exile or failing that, a swift bullet to the head without being forced to watch your wife being raped and killed and your kids tortured to death.

So go sort it out!

 

[jcpro]

Min

Oh shit! Now you got me into this.

Slaughtering the Jews, nothing can excuse. If the Germans are going to bear war guilt for this shit, then the Ukrainians should as well.

Slaughtering the Poles?.... Again nothing can really excuse this shit. But unlike the Jews, the Poles were themselves committing genocide against the Ukrainian population at the same time. Welcome to Eastern Europe, folks!! A place where every ethnic group is simultaneously committing genocide against every other ethnic group and they all blame the other guy!

And the Poles slaughtered Jews as well.

And the best those Poles and Ukrainians could hope for if the Soviets took over - which they did - is exile or failing that, a swift bullet to the head without being forced to watch your wife being raped and killed and your kids tortured to death.

So go sort it out!

That's just garbage.

 

[mandrill]

Min
That's just garbage.

Considering that I agreed with what you wrote??

 

[xyphy]

The allied people bombed civilian cities and killed hundreds of thousands of Germans who had nothing to do with the war.
Dresden is the most infamous of allied war crimes on a scale that rivals the jewish solutions but is hardly unique.

The UK and USA in particular deliberatly bombed schools and churches in a attempt to force the civilians to stop supporting the Nazis.
Paton and Churchill are monsters to rival Hitler (Paton even got demoted because he abused his OWN troops lol during war years that takes a special kind of asshole).

And all of this is compounded exponentially when you look at the aftermaths of both WW1 and WW2 which can only be described as punitive (eg the thousands of rapes and murders and thefts when Berlin fell; lots of artifacts ended up in US museums after the fact)

Dresden was questionable, people still debate that to this day. it wasn't necessary by that time of the war, I would lean to the argument that it wasn't necessary and there were no strategic targets other than inflicting civilian casualties. so Yes that is an atrocity that could have been avoided. I won't get into a long draw out discussion about civilian deaths due to the allies or the axis and any particular theatres of operations. Patton slapped a soldier and that is why he was demoted. The Russians raped an entire nation ( after Germany tried to wipe them off the face of the earth) "the Jewish question" is what I was saying is incomparable. it was murder on an industrialized level never seen before. You just can't compare it. it's not the same as war atrocities, it was not something that came from war, the entire War that Hitler started was based on the premise of genocidal murder of a race of people. it's just not the same.

 

[TeeJay]

@xyphy you do realize the majority of western nations were "ok" with the jewish solution for quite some time
Noone cared what was happening to them until the public outcry

Even with the primitive tech around that time to claim everyone was ignorant of things like mass graves is laughable

 

[TeeJay]

I'm not going to dignify this with rebuttal.

Well go ahead sport
You tell me why our PM is a "hero" and deserves his many monuments

The more you read about him the worse he gets

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Dresden was questionable, people still debate that to this day. it wasn't necessary by that time of the war, I would lean to the argument that it wasn't necessary and there were no strategic targets other than inflicting civilian casualties. so Yes that is an atrocity that could have been avoided. I won't get into a long draw out discussion about civilian deaths due to the allies or the axis and any particular theatres of operations. Patton slapped a soldier and that is why he was demoted. The Russians raped an entire nation ( after Germany tried to wipe them off the face of the earth) "the Jewish question" is what I was saying is incomparable. it was murder on an industrialized level never seen before. You just can't compare it. it's not the same as war atrocities, it was not something that came from war, the entire War that Hitler started was based on the premise of genocidal murder of a race of people. it's just not the same.

The Germans used rape as their m.o wherever they came to visit. Why people mention what the Russians did when it was payback time is stupid. Same with Dresden. Warsaw was taken down block by block from the ground and the air. Along with Stalingrad and on and on. Well everywhere really.
There was a documentary on CBC news about allied bombing of German cities. A group of old Canadian bomber crews went back to visit and were confronted on camera by a group of old German women, berating them for the bombing. The Canucks shuffled awkwardly and looked shame faced and were kind of back peddling and apologizing for what they did. Nobody said "YOU FUCKING STARTED IT. CUNTS!

 

[canada-man]

a comment under the video

Thank you AGAIN Russia Insight for these amazing facts. So Freeland is a daughter of an EVIL family and we have 12 MP from Ukrainian origin OMG! Not the kind of information they want us to know. No wonder we get at least one negative news every day about Russia. My country is run by globalist and it's getting worst every day. I can't believe that i have to go to Russian news to get real facts about my own country, this is insulting. I guess the only country in the world fighting against Tyranny is Russia.

 

[canada-man]

Long history of Ukrainian-Canadian groups glorifying Nazi collaborators exposed by defacing of Oakville memorial

Long history of Ukrainian-Canadian groups glorifying Nazi collaborators exposed by defacing of Oakville memorial — The Canada Files

Written by: Aidan Jonah News broke on July 17 that a war memorial honouring Ukrainian Nazis who served with the German SS recently had the phrase “Nazi war memorial” painted on it . These Nazis were part of the openly fascist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, in the 14th Volunteer Waffen-SS

www.thecanadafiles.com

that's all for today google search for more

 

[basketcase]

Actually, What the Fuck is a nazi war memorial to the SS doing in Canada? How do you desecrate it? spray paint swastikas on it? Should be converted into a public toilet.

Because in Cold War Canada, people will able to overlook Nazi Ukrainians because they were anti-Soviet.

 

[basketcase]

I'm not seeing any Nazi symbols on that memorial btw. I'm seeing a Trident of Volodymyr (the symbol of Ukraine everywhere) and a lion w 3 crowns.
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On 26 May 1988, Monument to the Glory of the UPA, a memorial to members of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, was erected. Soon after, a cenotaph was erected, displaying the emblem of 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician), and an inscription dedicating it "To Those Who Died For the Freedom of Ukraine".[3]
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You did read the part about the veterans honoured being Waffen SS right?

 

[mandrill]

a comment under the video

Thank you AGAIN Russia Insight for these amazing facts. So Freeland is a daughter of an EVIL family and we have 12 MP from Ukrainian origin OMG! Not the kind of information they want us to know. No wonder we get at least one negative news every day about Russia. My country is run by globalist and it's getting worst every day. I can't believe that i have to go to Russian news to get real facts about my own country, this is insulting. I guess the only country in the world fighting against Tyranny is Russia.

Yes, Putin's Russia crusades for Freedom every day. Just read the Kremlin news sources.

 

[mandrill]

You did read the part about the veterans honoured being Waffen SS right?

Yup. 14th SS Infantry Division. Definitely Waffen SS. No swastikas. I guess they used the Lion symbol as their regimental shield.