It is funny that Tramp is not everything: for example, I like Trump but agree with your assessment of the Sweden way
Sweden says its coronavirus approach has worked. The numbers show a different story
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You made the bold assertion that "Many countries" have made such statements, the reason you haven't provided a link is because there are none unlinke your claim. Again your opinion is a non factual opinion that represents a small minority of the population who keep questioning the data and the facts revolving the Coronavirus not only to undermine it but also as an attempt to open businesses up ASAP.
My statement was based on high level mentions in articles and I actually linked to a video with proof that New York state and it's 43 million citizens will be operating in Phase II with a tolerance of 70% capacity on the health care system.
You offer up? - nothing.
So until you offer up some links for discussion your posts continue to be a useless tirade of supporting your obsession on calling the Sweden situation a failure now when even you have admitted it's too early to tell.
Correction Doggystyle - Never have I mentioned support or suggestion of opening up business early. I simply present information and yes, links - for discussion and sharing with other members. Sadly your obsession about calling Sweden has to be dealt with as we move ahead.
Like I said earlier the New York governor does not equal to “many countries” which is what you falsely claimed.
If it’s not a false statement you can provide your link to these “many countries” articles.
I'm going to post this in every Sweden thread until you finally answer:
Why are you so interested in calling/labeling Sweden a Failure at this time? Why can you not wait a few months or more to then more accurately review and discuss their level of success or failure, especially when comparing to other countries in the discussion?
And to support why I am asking you for this explanation, quoting your own words from post #17 in your own Sweden thread you had to start:
There is absolutely zero, zilch, nada evidence that the numbers of deaths in the future in Sweden will somehow be as significantly or even more lower to Denmark and Norway than it was in comparison to the significantly higher death numbers when the peak originally hit
So....your answer is?
I offered up a first link confirming my statement. I could go find more but have better things to do with my time.
You have offered zero links to any facts related to the expected operating levels of governments reopening their economies.
Where are your links to show differently? I'll wait.
You’ve never provided links to any countries saying such. Which is unfortunately what you falsely claimed “many countries”.
If you had any links to these “many countries” you would have posted them.
And you continue to offer no summary of expected healthcare operational percentages going into post lockdown you understand to be true or any links to anything you are basing your argument on.
I provided at least one link to a government over a sizable population - 43 million in New York state - larger than most of the countries related named in your useless conquest to call Sweden a success or failure.
Your turn, provide links or otherwise your opinion and claims are completely baseless.
You sharing some links will motivate me to go find more links to share in return. Sharing is caring, it's your turn doggystyle.
I tried using the rubber end of a pencil . Did not work . So now I bring a small baggie with me . Put my hand inside , punch the buttons and then throw the bag in the garbage .
Same with buying gas . Don't know how many touch the handle of that metal gas pump . Lucky now I found a box of those clear cheap kitchen gloves to use instead of a baggie .
Small baggie, eh. I'll give that a try next time. I tried using one of those pens with a rubber tip generally used on small tablets, didn't work on the screen but did work on the keypad
Yet you are here still posting the same non factual opinions and feelings of yours.
You still haven't provided a link to your assertion that "many countries" have said what you claimed.
Again I've never read a single article from Canada, USA, Germany, Italy, Spain, France or UK that has said what you claim so these many countries you claim simply don't exist if they did you would have provided a link already.
Unfortunately you don't read useful and unbiased articles you source your information from biased and opinion pieces of Youtube and social media feeds without fact checking the sources, rather than using factual articles as a source. Two perfect examples are the two posts you've made one was an article to a right wing nut bar website and the other was a feeling based Youtube video which both contained false and misleading information as a fact.
There is a specific purpose to your posts every time there is a drop in the numbers you post about it, but every time there is an increase you don't post about it.
March 29
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases----------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------3700-------------------------------110-------------------------------253-------------------------5------------------------------3%--------------
Denmark----------2395-------------------------------72--------------------------------194-------------------------7------------------------------3%--------------
Norway------------4284-------------------------------26--------------------------------269-------------------------3------------------------------0.6%--------------
April 29
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases----------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------20302-----------------------------2462-----------------------------681-------------------------107---------------------------12.1%--------------
Denmark----------9008------------------------------443-------------------------------157------------------------9-------------------------------4.9%--------------
Norway------------7710------------------------------207-------------------------------50-------------------------1-------------------------------2.7%--------------
LOL, Seriously?
You already forget that YOU were the FIRST to post an additional day of data showing an increase of the daily death rate. I simply mirrored YOUR behavior you silly asshat. Why did I stop posting? Because it doesn't matter right now, see you in 6 months and we can discuss if Sweden was a failure or not.
And fine, I will adjust my original statement just to meet your obnoxious requirements - As various populations contained within states, provinces, or entire countries re-open - what will be the operating threshold for the healthcare systems before they trigger a return to lockdown? I have provided one example link of New York State with 43 million residents and known globally as one of the hardest hit areas of the virus will be operating up to a 70% level before returning to lockdown level of restrictions.
Ok DS99, your turn - what information do you have that you can actually share with us?
And for the rest of the readers who care to respond - what are your thoughts on New York's decision to operate at a 70/30 split? DS99 no need for you to respond since you haven't been able to after multiple requests already to provide an opinion, shocking I know.
Back to you DS99 for a moment - are you ever going to actually articulate why you are so horny over calling Sweden a failure this early in the process? Or are you simply going to continue to look foolish and not actually given reason for your continued spewing of your unwanted opinion about Sweden. Your choice and yes I will keep asking until you finally respond.
This is your problem your posts are feeling based rather than fact based. Just like the articles and videos you share they are based on feelings rather than facts.
The post you are talking about go and look at it again.
You either willingly or by accident posted the wrong numbers and I corrected your numbers. You left out the actual number for the date April 22nd and shifted April 23rd number in it's place and ultimately shifting April 24th number to April 23rd which also left blank the number for April 24th.
Here is the link:
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ng-Effective&p=6686910&viewfull=1#post6686910
I simply corrected your mistake which you took personally, I even tried explaining it to you numerous times and boldened it for you to see the mistake you had made, but unfortunately your feelings always take over and rather then reading and understanding the facts and the data you respond angrily based on your feelings and that is on no one but you.
Based on you taking it personally you went on to report the following two days of drop but you stopped as soon as the numbers started going up again.
BTW it's not my requirement it was your claim that "many countries that have been through lockdown and now attempting to enter Phase II re-opening of their economies are targeting 70% of their healthcare capacity as an acceptable level to operate with while re-opened." there is evidence to
But I am glad you finally admit that your claim was false and "many countries" did not exist as of the date 04 28 2020 you made such claim.
As for my opinion on Sweden I've explained this numerous times and I'll explain it again to you.
Not a single measure Sweden originally took has data or facts supporting it will be successful in the long run, you simply can not advise those 70 years and older to stay indoors but have them be in contact (living or have visitors) with others who are below that age and roaming the streets, you simply can not advise the people to socially distance but have restaurants, cafes, resorts, bars open and think it will be successful.
Furthermore there is data evidence (China, Italy, UK, Spain.....) to prove that the measures like the above will have significant increase in the number of cases.
BTW the title of the article linked is just that "Sweden says its coronavirus approach has worked. The numbers show a different story"
That really is self expanatory, Although Sweden is saying that their approach is working (another word for successful), the numbers show a different story.
Which means the numbers prove that it is not the success they claim it to be.
March 30
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases---------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------4028-------------------------------146-------------------------------328------------------------36-----------------------------3.6%--------------
Denmark----------2577-------------------------------77--------------------------------182-------------------------5------------------------------3%--------------
Norway------------4445-------------------------------32--------------------------------161-------------------------6------------------------------0.7%--------------
April 30
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases--------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------21092-----------------------------2586-----------------------------790------------------------124---------------------------12.3%--------------
Denmark----------9158------------------------------452-------------------------------150------------------------9------------------------------4.9%--------------
Norway------------7738------------------------------210-------------------------------28-------------------------3------------------------------2.7%--------------
March 31
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases---------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------4435-------------------------------180-------------------------------407------------------------34-----------------------------4.1%--------------
Denmark----------2860-------------------------------90--------------------------------283------------------------13-----------------------------3.1%--------------
Norway------------4641-------------------------------39--------------------------------196-------------------------7------------------------------0.8%--------------
April 1
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases---------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------4947-------------------------------239-------------------------------512------------------------59-----------------------------4.8%--------------
Denmark----------3107-------------------------------104-------------------------------247------------------------14-----------------------------3.3%--------------
Norway------------4877-------------------------------44--------------------------------236------------------------5-------------------------------0.9%--------------
May 1
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases--------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------21520-----------------------------2653-----------------------------428------------------------67----------------------------12.3%--------------
Denmark----------9311------------------------------460-------------------------------153------------------------8------------------------------4.9%--------------
Norway------------7783------------------------------210-------------------------------45-------------------------0------------------------------2.7%--------------
How cute. Doggy's bumping his own thread (you must be so proud of it compared to the other 2? 3? threads about Sweden) to keep it on the main page.
Adorable.
Adorable.
April 2
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases---------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------5568-------------------------------308-------------------------------621------------------------69-----------------------------5.5%--------------
Denmark----------3386-------------------------------123-------------------------------279-----------------------19------------------------------3.6%--------------
Norway------------5147-------------------------------50--------------------------------270------------------------6-------------------------------1.0%--------------
May 2
---------------------Confirmed Cases----------------Total Deaths--------------------Daily Cases--------------Daily Deaths----------------Death Rate--------
Sweden-----------22082-----------------------------2669-----------------------------562------------------------16----------------------------12.1%--------------
Denmark----------9407------------------------------475-------------------------------96-------------------------15----------------------------5.0%--------------
Norway------------7809------------------------------211-------------------------------26-------------------------1-----------------------------2.7%--------------
