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Michael Moore exposes green energy as a fraud

Frankfooter

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You should listen to the film because if you don't you don't have the right to comment on its veracity.
I'll check it out at some point, but before I do its worth finding out if this is just trolling, like most of your posts.
Its hardly worth debating the ideas of an 'expert' that you actually disagree with.

So I'll wait until its confirmed that the OP trusts his work throughout his films.
 

Butler1000

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I'll check it out at some point, but before I do its worth finding out if this is just trolling, like most of your posts.
Its hardly worth debating the ideas of an 'expert' that you actually disagree with.

So I'll wait until its confirmed that the OP trusts his work throughout his films.
Moore isn't an "expert". He is a voice. He will be the first to admit that.

Lol...most of MY posts are trolling? I will leave this one for the others to mock appropriately.....
 

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You really think there are enough fossil fuels for thousands of years?
Or that there were scientists making that claim in the video?
Peak oil raises its dinosaur head....
 

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Moore isn't an "expert". He is a voice. He will be the first to admit that.

Lol...most of MY posts are trolling? I will leave this one for the others to mock appropriately.....
He’s right. You are always trolling the board. It is part of what the Bro’s do.

To your credit, I find you are mostly honest in describing what you think and what you do. It’s a rabbit hole that leads to a pretty bleak outcome. If that’s what you think then okay...others just need to understand that arguing with you is all part of your accelerationist MO. If, knowing this, they choose to engage you anyway then no one can say they weren’t warned.

Seems fair enough.
 

Frankfooter

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Moore isn't an "expert". He is a voice. He will be the first to admit that.

Lol...most of MY posts are trolling? I will leave this one for the others to mock appropriately.....
Ok, he's a voice and entitled to his opinion.
I disagree with it.

And yes, you're trolling.
Just look at your sig and your posting history.
 

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Solar and wind are expensive and unreliable. Nuclear is the low emission answer
 

Butler1000

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Ok, he's a voice and entitled to his opinion.
I disagree with it.

And yes, you're trolling.
Just look at your sig and your posting history.
My Sig? Hoping for the best candidate?

In light of recent events I would think you would be a proponent of Medicare for all. Instead you support a guy who isn't.
 

Knuckle Ball

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Calling green energy a “fraud” seems deliberately incendiary on Moore’s part. It would be more accurate to say that there are pros and cons to green energy, that there are some who may overstate its potential benefits, etc.

But Moore is a showman. He tells stories that emotionally resonate with many Americans...but he does not allow facts to stand in the way of a good story either.

If one is guided by facts, science, and data his docs may not always measure up...but they contain their own element of truth in perhaps a different way.
 

Butler1000

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He’s right. You are always trolling the board. It is part of what the Bro’s do.

To your credit, I find you are mostly honest in describing what you think and what you do. It’s a rabbit hole that leads to a pretty bleak outcome. If that’s what you think then okay...others just need to understand that arguing with you is all part of your accelerationist MO. If, knowing this, they choose to engage you anyway then no one can say they weren’t warned.

Seems fair enough.
The "Bro's" include a wide range of people. Includes a substantial amount of Women.

To demonize me is to marginalize them.
 

Knuckle Ball

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The "Bro's" include a wide range of people. Includes a substantial amount of Women.

To demonize me is to marginalize them.
I believe the bro’s represent a certain specific sub-group of Bernie supporters. They tend to be white men from middle class backgrounds who usually have some sort of community college education that they have failed to complete. They are known for being angry, hyper-aggressive guys on social media who pick fights, make misogynistic comments, doxx their enemies, etc. They are known to be a particularly nasty bunch of characters.

Not all Bernie Supporters are like this. They are probably a minority...maybe 30% of his base. Maybe comparable to the percentage of Trump Supporters who are hardcore, 2A, white nationalists.
 

Butler1000

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I believe the bro’s represent a certain specific sub-group of Bernie supporters. They tend to be white men from middle class backgrounds who usually have some sort of community college education that they have failed to complete. They are known for being angry, hyper-aggressive guys on social media who pick fights, make misogynistic comments, doxx their enemies, etc. They are known to be a particularly nasty bunch of characters.

Not all Bernie Supporters are like this. They are probably a minority...maybe 30% of his base. Maybe comparable to the percentage of Trump Supporters who are hardcore, 2A, white nationalists.
So you actually have no idea how many, who they are, and whether or not they are even real.

But it's a nice label developed in the last election to marginalize legitimate voters and volunteers with legitimate passion for progressive causes.

Every campaign has toxic idiots. Only Sanders's seem to get attention.
 

Knuckle Ball

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So you actually have no idea how many, who they are, and whether or not they are even real.

But it's a nice label developed in the last election to marginalize legitimate voters and volunteers with legitimate passion for progressive causes.

Every campaign has toxic idiots. Only Sanders's seem to get attention.
I don’t think anyone has actually studied the Bro’s to get accurate numbers on them. They have a large presence on Twitter but Twitter can amplify things and make them look bigger than they are.

Nobody is saying all Bernie Supporters are like you, though. You and the Bro’s are a special case.

Stop trying to deny your own existence, though, B1000; I don’t think that’s very healthy for you.

FWIW...I actually learn stuff from talking to you here. You provide me with a window into the thinking of the Bernie Bro’s. The stuff I learn from you is frequently appalling and disturbing but it is what it is.

:)
 

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A portion of this movie is on biomass which is an alternative to coal. Biomass is cutting down forests and burning the wood. LOL. If anyone has seen the forest fires they know it's neither clean nor green. Not to mention the destruction of the forests. Theses people are clueless
 

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A portion of this movie is on biomass which is an alternative to coal. Biomass is cutting down forests and burning the wood. LOL. If anyone has seen the forest fires they know it's neither clean nor green. not to mention the destruction of the forests. Theses people are clueless
Are you seriously comparing a forest fire with a boiler fueled by wood pellets?

Maybe you should research this a little before you post.

https://www.renewableenergyworld.co...-coal-in-denmark-via-bioenergybased-chp/#gref
 

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A portion of this movie is on biomass which is an alternative to coal. Biomass is cutting down forests and burning the wood. LOL. If anyone has seen the forest fires they know it's neither clean nor green. not to mention the destruction of the forests. Theses people are clueless
Biomass has been on the decline as an idea for years now.
Moore is correct on that one at least, it wasn't smart before and now even less so.
 

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danmand

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Watch the film. Biomass produces 1.5x more CO2 fossil fuels. Maybe you should do more research.
But it is renewable, not like coal. Trees grow by taking CO2 out of the atmosphere. Get it?
 

Gooseifur

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But it is renewable, not like coal. Trees grow by taking CO2 out of the atmosphere. Get it?
Yes but it emits more 1.5x more CO2 then coal. How is that green? That's worse. I don't care if it's renewable or not. Do you know how long it takes for a tree to grow? It doesn't even come close to matching the amount of CO2 emitted . Watch the movie and get back to me.
 
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