Greta Thunberg to Congress: ‘You’re not trying hard enough. Sorry’

[PornAddict]

Martin Armstrong: The First Clean Air Act Was In 535AD

Authored by Martin Armstrong via ArmstrongEconomics.com,
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/the-first-clean-air-act-was-535ad/

To me, all this propaganda that humans are responsible for climate change implies that somehow the climate is static and would not be changing but for human activity. This may make great headlines and inspire youth to create strikes and march upon the institutions of capitalism demanding their closure. However, any unbiased review of history reveals a shocking fact – the climate has ALWAYS changed and it too has been a force incorporated in the Economic Confidence Model.

Civilization has always expanded during warming periods and collapsed during global cooling. Simply correlating historical weather and disease reveals a very solid relationship. When there are global cooling periods, this is when disease rises and the worst plagues take place. When it turns cold, crops fail and malnutrition takes place weakening people’s immune systems leaving them more susceptible to plagues.

This global warming seems to have risen to a religion and it is being used by the Communists/Socialists to kill the Industrial Revolution and redistribute the wealth. Raising all the taxes in the world is ONLY pure PUNISHMENT – there is no program to reverse climate change – no fantastic machine. Anyone who was really a scientist just has to look at the historic data on temperature and you will discover that civilization thrives when it gets warm, and it contracts when it gets cold. But above all else, it has ALWAYS changed.

In 61AD, Seneca the Younger (c. 4BC– 65AD) the philosopher, statesman, and adviser to Emperor Nero who ordered him to commit suicide, wrote about the pollution in Rome.

“No sooner had I left behind the oppressive atmosphere of the city [Rome] and that reek of smoking cookers which pour out, along with clouds of ashes, all the poisonous fumes they’ve accumulated in their interiors whenever they’re started up, than I noticed the change in my condition.”

Pollution has had its cycles as well but this entire Global Warming nonsense implies that it has ONLY been post-Industrial Revolution that threatens the planet and we will all die in 12 years according to AOC, our latest entertainer in Congress. Low and behold, pollution became so bad that the capital city of the Roman Empire, Constantinople, that the Emperor Justinian I (527-565AD) even enacted the first known Clean Air Act.

In 535AD, then Emperor Justinian I proclaimed the importance of clean air as a birthright.

“By the law of nature these things are common to mankind - the air, running water, the sea.”

There has always been pollution. When there are forest fires started by lightning, they put off CO2. Volcanoes put out CO2. Plants and trees need CO2 to survive. This is simply a divine mechanism of how the earth functions.

The entire climate change issue has become a covert means in this final confrontation between the left and the right. This is the very issue that will destroy the Western Society for it has been elevated to such heights and governments love it for all they see is more power and money. The activists behind the curtain are simply Marxists who are determined to make communism work one more time.

 

[jcpro]

Martin Armstrong: The First Clean Air Act Was In 535AD

Authored by Martin Armstrong via ArmstrongEconomics.com,
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/the-first-clean-air-act-was-535ad/

To me, all this propaganda that humans are responsible for climate change implies that somehow the climate is static and would not be changing but for human activity. This may make great headlines and inspire youth to create strikes and march upon the institutions of capitalism demanding their closure. However, any unbiased review of history reveals a shocking fact – the climate has ALWAYS changed and it too has been a force incorporated in the Economic Confidence Model.

Civilization has always expanded during warming periods and collapsed during global cooling. Simply correlating historical weather and disease reveals a very solid relationship. When there are global cooling periods, this is when disease rises and the worst plagues take place. When it turns cold, crops fail and malnutrition takes place weakening people’s immune systems leaving them more susceptible to plagues.

This global warming seems to have risen to a religion and it is being used by the Communists/Socialists to kill the Industrial Revolution and redistribute the wealth. Raising all the taxes in the world is ONLY pure PUNISHMENT – there is no program to reverse climate change – no fantastic machine. Anyone who was really a scientist just has to look at the historic data on temperature and you will discover that civilization thrives when it gets warm, and it contracts when it gets cold. But above all else, it has ALWAYS changed.

In 61AD, Seneca the Younger (c. 4BC– 65AD) the philosopher, statesman, and adviser to Emperor Nero who ordered him to commit suicide, wrote about the pollution in Rome.

“No sooner had I left behind the oppressive atmosphere of the city [Rome] and that reek of smoking cookers which pour out, along with clouds of ashes, all the poisonous fumes they’ve accumulated in their interiors whenever they’re started up, than I noticed the change in my condition.”

Pollution has had its cycles as well but this entire Global Warming nonsense implies that it has ONLY been post-Industrial Revolution that threatens the planet and we will all die in 12 years according to AOC, our latest entertainer in Congress. Low and behold, pollution became so bad that the capital city of the Roman Empire, Constantinople, that the Emperor Justinian I (527-565AD) even enacted the first known Clean Air Act.

In 535AD, then Emperor Justinian I proclaimed the importance of clean air as a birthright.

“By the law of nature these things are common to mankind - the air, running water, the sea.”

There has always been pollution. When there are forest fires started by lightning, they put off CO2. Volcanoes put out CO2. Plants and trees need CO2 to survive. This is simply a divine mechanism of how the earth functions.

The entire climate change issue has become a covert means in this final confrontation between the left and the right. This is the very issue that will destroy the Western Society for it has been elevated to such heights and governments love it for all they see is more power and money. The activists behind the curtain are simply Marxists who are determined to make communism work one more time.

The climate cultists are not interested in history and will dismiss anything you say. The only thing they are interested in is acquiring power, control and future. You can ask a million times what caused ice ages and the interglacial periods and all you get in return are blank stares or accusations of being a denier. That lack of curiosity is what has me convinced that they're selling bullshit. That and the fact that, in the West, environmentalism has become the last refuge of the lefty extremists.

 

[Frankfooter]

There I fixed your quote

How does it feel to be like some creepy old guy trying to sell cigarettes to children?
Or trying to tell them vaccines will kill them?

 

[Frankfooter]

The climate cultists are not interested in history and will dismiss anything you say. The only thing they are interested in is acquiring power, control and future. You can ask a million times what caused ice ages and the interglacial periods and all you get in return are blank stares or accusations of being a denier. That lack of curiosity is what has me convinced that they're selling bullshit. That and the fact that, in the West, environmentalism has become the last refuge of the lefty extremists.

Gotta love a chart that lists historic output from the sun.
How do you think they pretended to collect that 'data'?

 

[JohnLarue]

How does it feel to be like some creepy old guy trying to sell cigarettes to children?
Or trying to tell them vaccines will kill them?

Hows it feel to mislead & frighten children to the point they are anxious, alarmed, frightened and it is affecting their health?

 

[Ceiling Cat]

It is political suicide when politicians announce increased taxation. Could it be that there are secret factions around the world backing Greta Thunberg to push the Carbon Credits as a covert form of taxation. If there are Carbon Credits on fuel manufacturers, all consumer goods from gasoline, to travel to retail items will absorb an increase in cost from the Carbon Credit system. Who is funding Greta Thunberg's team to trek around the world?

 

[Frankfooter]

Hows it feel to mislead & frighten children to the point they are anxious, alarmed, frightened and it is affecting their health?

I don't you, you'll have to tell me.

Those 278 protests across Canada and over 4000 world wide were all against people like you.
People who intentionally try to stop politicians from listening to scientific advice for the health of the planet.
People who intentionally commit what you called 'the greatest sin man ever committed'.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

FYI

Greta Thunberg arrived in NYC to speak at the UN by boat instead of flying in. She arrived in the racing yaught MALIZIA 2 owned by a European billionaire. The crew of four that must man the yaught 24 hours a day on it ocean voyage arrived in NYC exhausted was flown back to Europe by plane and a new crew was flown into NYC to bring the yaught back to Europe.

How will Greta get back home?

---------------------------------------------------

They tried in 1992 to introduce a child envirnmental activist,
Severn Cullis-Suzuki ( yes, David Suzuki's daughter ), but she looked to normal and not like the environment has withered and shriveled her up.

Note the many empty seats.

 

[JohnLarue]

I don't you, you'll have to tell me.

"I don't you" ?????

https://futurism.com/neoscope/climate-change-anxiety-kids-treatment

SHRINKS ARE TREATING CLIMATE-TRAUMATIZED KIDS FOR “ECO-ANXIETY”
“THE FEAR IS OF ENVIRONMENTAL DOOM — THAT WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE.”

Yet AOC pushes the green new deal which was primarily a bid to install socialism as per her handler

Those 278 protests across Canada and over 4000 world wide were all against people like you.

You mean against those that know the science is flawed and want to stop the misleading / brainwashing of children

People who intentionally try to stop politicians from listening to scientific advice for the health of the planet.

The science is clear enough, CO2 does not drive climate. I have shown you that
It is the propaganda, out right lies and exaggerations by the alarmists that needs to stop
we could then divert attention and resources to real issues such as water quality

People who intentionally commit what you called 'the greatest sin man ever committed'.

If Co2 was the primary driver of climate, it would be sinful, too bad for you and thank goodness for the the rest of the planet that CO2 is not the primary driver of climate change. It is not even the primary/ dominate greenhouse gas . WATER VAPOR IS
Climate is a non-liner chaotic system with multiple variables. It is probably the most complex physical system man has ever attempted to study

The idea that some eggheads think they can model it in a computer and provide accurate and useful forecasts is absurd (and we see the models have been consistently hot)
The idea that these forecasts are used by adults with an agenda to frighten children and try to use those children to try and shame others is ABSOLUTELY SHAMEFUL & DESPICABLE

 

[canada-man]

Clarkson on Greta: "How dare you sail to America on a carbon fibre yacht that you didn’t build which cost £15million, that you didn’t earn, and which has a back-up diesel engine that you didn’t mention"



WHEN a teenage girl has an angry, tearful strop, most parents just send them to their rooms until they’ve calmed down.

However, when 16-year-old Greta Thunberg got on to the stage at the UN this week and had a full-on adolescent meltdown, she was deafened by the applause.

Not from me she wasn’t.

Because I was in the bog, being sick.

“You have stolen my dreams and my childhood,” she sobbed.

“We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth. How dare you?”

Right, well in the immortal words of Samuel L Jackson: “Allow me to retort.”

How dare we? No. How dare you sail to America on a carbon fibre yacht that you didn’t build which cost £15million, that you didn’t earn, and which has a back-up diesel engine that you didn’t mention.

SORRY MS THUNBERG
I’m sorry Ms Thunberg, but if you’re going to lay into my generation, you must accept it when I lay into you and yours.

What about the pills you take when you have a headache?

What about the clean water that comes out of your tap? What about the food you can buy at any time of the day and night?

No 16-year-old was responsible for any of that.

What about the aid missions currently being run in some of the poorest countries of the world, or the drugs that help keep Aids at bay?

Think about all the movies you’ve enjoyed. Movies made by grown-ups. And all those comedians who’ve made you laugh.

And then pause for a moment to consider how soundly you sleep at night, knowing that adults are building and servicing and flying Sweden’s fighter planes. To keep you safe.

We gave you mobile phones and laptops and the internet. We created the social media you use every day and we run the banks that pay for it all.

So how dare you stand there and lecture us, you spoilt brat.
SPOILT BRAT
And yes, you are spoilt because when you told your mum and dad to stop using planes and give up meat, they didn’t behave like sane parents and ignore you. They actually said, “Yes, dear.” And did.

What they should have done is point out that life is tragic.

Some people are born bright and some are born stupid.

Some are beautiful and some are not.

Some have rich parents who give them everything but love.

Some have poor parents who have nothing to give except love.

Now shut up and let them get on with it.

This is how the world works. It’s how the world has always worked.

And banging your fists on the table won’t change a thing. You’ll learn that when you’ve got a few more years under your belt.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10022396/greta-thunberg-meltdown-wont-help-world/

 

[Frankfooter]

The science is clear enough, CO2 does not drive climate. I have shown you that
It is the propaganda, out right lies and exaggerations by the alarmists that needs to stop

You are as bad or worse then the anti-vaxxers who claim they know better than scientists and doctors.
CO2 levels drive climate change, your incredibly dishonest 'arguments' fail, including your claims about water vapour and surface temperatures.

As for scaring kids, you should read this National Geographic article on previous mass extinctions, as it notes that other than a massive asteroid, all of the previous mass extinctions had massive increases in CO2 levels, as we're doing now.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/prehistoric-world/mass-extinction/

We are living through the sixth mass extinction, the Anthropocene.

 

[Frankfooter]

Clarkson on Greta:So how dare you stand there and lecture us, you spoilt brat.

Must suck to have children from 278 cities and towns across Canada all come out to call you out for your denial of science.

 

[canada-man]

Must suck to have children from 278 cities and towns across Canada all come out to call you out for your denial of science.

as opposed to being a proven scientific illiterate, know nithing how taxes and the economy works and constantly proven wrong in multiple posts and threads and FYI grown-ups don't take policy advice from minors who still live at home

 

[JohnLarue]

You are as bad or worse then the anti-vaxxers who claim they know better than scientists and doctors.

Nope
You are the worst kind of Alarmist as your motivations are strictly drive by a desire for political change

CO2 levels drive climate change, your incredibly dishonest 'arguments' fail, including your claims about water vapour and surface temperatures.

No! Absolutely not
CO2 levels do not drive climate change
Water Vapour is present in a much higher concentration and water vapour absorbs more than C02 . These are irrefutable and undeniable FACTS
And for the surface temp record. It is flawed due to the Urban heat Island effect and I suspect the majority of Gavin Schmidt's data adjustments are to the upside
The satellite record measure the temperature where the "critical absorption takes place" (according to your source). The satellite record shows no significant warming

you ran away from this argument several posts ago

Originally Posted by JohnLarue
Too funny
Which is it then?
Are you claiming Co2 is not essentially saturated or
Are you claiming that the crucial infrared absorption does not take place in the frigid and rarified upper atmosphere

It is one or the other
Take a moment and determine which lie you want to support

Determine which lie you want to support and let us know or say no more in this matter
Either way I can systematically destroy your fair tales with scientific proof

As for scaring kids, you should read this National Geographic article on previous mass extinctions, as it notes that other than a massive asteroid, all of the previous mass extinctions had massive increases in CO2 levels, as we're doing now.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/prehistoric-world/mass-extinction/

We are living through the sixth mass extinction, the Anthropocene.

That is not scientific evidence
That is pure speculation & rhetoric on your part.
Exactly the same sort of irresponsible speculation that is scaring the living hell of children.

I guess your complete lack of morality enables you to scare the living hell out of children, so long as you feel you are advancing socialism

 

[Frankfooter]

Nope
You are the worst kind of Alarmist as your motivations are strictly drive by a desire for political change

Political change is needed to stop environmental catastrophe.

CO2 levels do not drive climate change
Water Vapour is present in a much higher concentration and water vapour absorbs more than C02 . These are irrefutable and undeniable FACTS

Forcing vs feedback effect.
Covered multiple times.

And for the surface temp record. It is flawed due to the Urban heat Island effect and I suspect he majority of Adjustments are to the upside
The satellite record measure the temperature where the "critical absorption takes place" (according to your source). The satellite record shows no significant warming

Wrong, heat island effect is calculated into surface temperatures.
Satellite temps you post have serious flaws in their methodology, as repeatedly pointed out.
Climate change projections are made on surface temps and should only be judged on surface temps.

Either way I can systematically destroy your fair tales with scientific proof

Nope, see this entire thread.

That is not scientific evidence
That is pure speculation & rhetoric on your part.
Exactly the same sort of irresponsible speculation that is scaring the living hell of children.

More science denial, now you deny the fact that there were multiple previous mass extinctions with massive increases in CO2.

Your total lack of morality has lead to mass protests against your ignorant claims about science.

Meanwhile:

Alaska’s Sea Ice Completely Melted Earlier Than Ever Before

https://truthout.org/articles/alaskas-sea-ice-completely-melted-for-first-time-in-recorded-history/

Hurricane Lorenzo Is Too Strong For Where It Is - Let’s Deal With The Climate Change Question

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marsha...ith-the-climate-change-question/#6b67dc322082

 

[JohnLarue]

Political change is needed to stop environmental catastrophe.

and there you have it
The real reason Frank Footer is willing to deceive and frighten children. He wants political change

Forcing vs feedback effect.
Covered multiple times.

Ha Ha Ha Ha
Too funny
This bullshit of Forcing vs feedback effect was destroyed
Show us one scientific paper which explicitly states water vapour has no radiative forcing effects and whose effect is strictly feedback
You can not because it simply is not true

As for feedback you(..... too funny) you explicitly stated water vapour feedback is negative feedback, where as the IPCC models use it as a positive feedback and is responsible for 2/3 or their inaccurate forecasted warming

You get an F for Fail

Wrong, heat island effect is calculated into surface temperatures.

Apparently not enough, not surprising for a group that ignored it for 20 years
Any adjustments they make is subject to judgment and bias, and all indications are Alarmists are very far removed from objectivity

Satellite temps you post have serious flaws in their methodology, as repeatedly pointed out.

Nope they are far superior
The satellite data is confirmed by two independent weather balloon data sets

Climate change projections are made on surface temps and should only be judged on surface temps.

Why?
1. You guy @ climate liers dot com who you posted as an authority was quite clear That the critical absorption takes place in the atmosphere
2. The greenhouse effect occurs in the atmosphere
3. The surface record covers only 20-30% of the planets surface
4. the Satellite data is not contaminated by the Urban Island Heat effect
5. The satellite data is confirmed by two independent weather balloon data sets

Nope, see this entire thread.

We are living through the sixth mass extinction, the Anthropocene.

Oh wait! Are you saying the end of the world is coming?
Jezz, Maybe I need to take a second look!

Has anyone ever made this divine proclamation before?
Lets see, people claiming apocalypse??
Oh yes pretty much every single day in recorded history for one reason or another
Have they ever been right?
Not once. For obvious reasons if one thinks logically

More science denial, now you deny the fact that there were multiple previous mass extinctions with massive increases in CO2.

Your total lack of morality has lead to mass protests against your ignorant claims about science.

Look
It is crystal clear you are the scientific know-nothing
Your arguments are far more comical than scientific.
You have no basis for attempting to discredit anyone else's view on scientific issues
Too bad that is ALL you are really capable of

 

[Frankfooter]

Show us one scientific paper which explicitly stares water vapour has no radiative forcing effects

You are swapping terms, we are talking about climate change feedback vs forcing effect, not whether there is a radiative forcing effect.
That's a dishonest attack.

As for feedback you(..... too funny) you explicitly stated water vapour feedback is negative feedback, where as the IPCC models use it as a positive feedback and is responsible for 2/3 or their inaccurate forecasted warming

No, I said that water vapour does not have a forcing effect on the climate, its a feedback effect.
Water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas and is the largest contributor to the natural greenhouse effect, despite having a short atmospheric lifetime[20] (about 10 days).[26] Some human activities can influence local water vapor levels. However, on a global scale, the concentration of water vapor is controlled by temperature, which influences overall rates of evaporation and precipitation.[20] Therefore, the global concentration of water vapor is not substantially affected by direct human emissions.[20]

Apparently not enough, not surprising for a group that ignored it for 20 years
Any adjustments they make is subject to judgment and bias, and all indications are Alarmists are very far removed from objectivity

No, its not 'bias' its the scientific method.
You should google that.

Nope they are far superior

Based on your confirmation bias and ignoring the repeated papers showing flaws in the work of Spencer.

Why?
1. You guy @ climate liers dot com who you posted as an authority was quite clear That the critical absorption takes place in the atmosphere
2. The greenhouse effect occurs in the atmosphere
3. The surface record covers only 20-30% of the planets surface
4. the Satellite data is not contaminated by the Urban Island Heat effect
5. The satellite data is confirmed by two independent weather balloon data sets

Why?
Because climate change models make projections of surface temperatures where humans live.
You can only judge those projections on where they predicted those changes to happen, the surface.
Substituting problematic, old, satellite readings in the troposphere where there is a 40ºC temperature difference is incredibly dishonest.

Look
It is crystal clear you are the scientific know-nothing.
Your arguments are far more comical than scientific.
You have no basis for judging anyone else's view on scientific issues

They aren't my arguments, those are the findings of all legit science, as summarized by the IPCC.
Deal with it.

You've got nothing other than decade old denier articles, decade old satellite readings and your confirmation bias.

 

[Charlemagne]

 

[oil&gas]

I won't do such a thing. But if the truck collecting
garbage from my residence has the same sign on it
I am not going to stop it from polluting the environment.
I can't afford to have garbage piling up outside.

 

[JohnLarue]

You are swapping terms, we are talking about climate change feedback vs forcing effect, not whether there is a radiative forcing effect.
That's a dishonest attack.

You are confused, lying or both
Explain the difference between
1. a forcing effect and
2. a radiative forcing effect.
In the context of the Greenhouse Gas Theory

No, I said that water vapour does not have a forcing effect on the climate, its a feedback effect.

you explicitly stated water vapour feedback is a negative feedback,
Are you going to make me search through the posts again ?
Post #58

Originally Posted by Frankfooter

as temps increase the atmosphere can hold more water, but put too much in and it turns into clouds which have a cooling effect since they reflect energy out to space. On top of that, changes in water vapour levels are very temporary. If you put too much in the atmosphere it rains and lowers its own levels.

Too funny, you should not mention feedback as
(..... too funny) you explicitly stated water vapour feedback is negative feedback, where as the IPCC models use it as a positive feedback and is responsible for 2/3 or their inaccurate forecasted warming

You are the worst enemy of your causes

]URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_change"]Water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas and is the largest contributor to the natural greenhouse effect, despite having a short atmospheric lifetime[20] (about 10 days).[26] Some human activities can influence local water vapor levels. However, on a global scale, the concentration of water vapor is controlled by temperature, which influences overall rates of evaporation and precipitation.[20] Therefore, the global concentration of water vapor is not substantially affected by direct human emissions.[20][/URL]

Great you finally connected the dots
Water vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas and is the largest contributor to the natural greenhouse effect,
The global concentration of water vapor is not substantially affected by direct human emissions

It is clear as day Co2 does not drive the climate

Its residency time is irrelevant as via evapouration it maintains a global average concentration 2-4 % far exceeding Co2 concentrations, even in the desert

No, its not 'bias' its the scientific method.
You should google that.

You will not find any credible definition of the scientific method which allows for judgement based adjustments to empirical data

Based on your confirmation bias and ignoring the repeated papers showing flaws in the work of Spencer.

Again with the character assassination on Roy Spencer. Well i guess you have nothing else to contribute
Too bad the graph is not Roy Spencers , but instead is John Christie's work
Oh boy you did it again, you are long on rhetoric but short on facts
Now what? switch the character assassination from Spencer to Christie???

you are pathetic

Why?
Because climate change models make projections of surface temperatures where humans live.
You can only judge those projections on where they predicted those changes to happen, the surface.
Substituting problematic, old, satellite readings in the troposphere where there is a 40ºC temperature difference is incredibly dishonest.

ignoring the issues with the surface temperature graph is irrespsonsible and just plain disingenuous
1. Your guy @ climate liers dot com who you posted as an authority was quite clear That the critical absorption takes place in the atmosphere
2. The greenhouse effect occurs in the atmosphere
3. The surface record covers only 20-30% of the planets surface
4. the Satellite data is not contaminated by the Urban Island Heat effect
5. The satellite data is confirmed by two independent weather balloon data sets

They aren't my arguments, those are the findings of all legit science, as summarized by the IPCC.
Deal with it.

Ah no!
The IPCC would not be so foolish as to make the comical statements you have
You tried to fake your way through a scientific argument and failed badly contradicting your self and the IPCC along the way

You've got nothing other than decade old denier articles, decade old satellite readings and your confirmation bias.

I have an understanding of the science
You have propaganda

Speaking of which

Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post

Political change is needed to stop environmental catastrophe.

Are you sure you did not really mean
An environmental catastrophe is needed to obtain Political change ?