Why is Israel not expected to comply with UN Resolution 242?

[Frankfooter]

The Israelis are winning handily. Perhaps the Palestinians should take note. Instead they send the gullible in for photo ops.

If you think they are winning, what do you see as the end state?

a) two state solution - in which Israel must give up settlements, which Netanyahu and Israelis say they will never do
b) one state apartheid - continue as they are now with half of the people living under Israeli rule live with zero rights
c) one state equal rights - which basketcase and others here call 'genocide'

Which one do you choose?

 

[Butler1000]

If you think they are winning, what do you see as the end state?

a) two state solution - in which Israel must give up settlements, which Netanyahu and Israelis say they will never do
b) one state apartheid - continue as they are now with half of the people living under Israeli rule live with zero rights
c) one state equal rights - which basketcase and others here call 'genocide'

Which one do you choose?

Lol. Or the third option where new borders are drawn. Aid is given to get businesses up and running. And local elections to start are held.

And security is supplied by the UN during the transition.

I doubt it happens soon. They have been indocrinating their kids to hate Jews. So really the solution at this point is to allow Israel to continue its positive development until the Palestinians realize that peace is an option and throw Hamas out.

Hamas only stays in power if people think they can win. They can't. They just need time to figure it out.

 

[Frankfooter]

Lol. Or the third option where new borders are drawn.

If there are new borders then its option 2.
So go ahead and tell me where those borders might be and how it happens when Israel says they will annex the West Bank and won't give up a single square metre.

They have been indocrinating their kids to hate Jews

Sure.

UN office: Israeli settler hate crimes against Palestinians rose 69% in 2018

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/01/israeli-settler-palestinians/

https://www.btselem.org/video/20190...ce_fully_backed_by_military_in_june_2019#full

You really think that only one side has issues with hate?

 

[derrick76]

Frank is a bigot.

Says the person who says Palestinians are uncivilized.

 

[derrick76]

Israel is an apartheid state.

The mental gymnastics being employed to ignore and get around this is hilarious,

 

[derrick76]

Violence isn't a bargaining chop. Ask Ghandi. It's an excuse to ignore.

It's Gandhi. But you mean the same Gandhi who expressed bigotry against Black (South) Africans?

 

[WyattEarp]

Israel is an apartheid state.

If all of this is apartheid, perhaps Black South Africans should learn from their apartheid brothers and adopt a stated policy of wiping White South Africans off the face of the earth.

 

[mellowjello]

If all of this is apartheid, perhaps Black South Africans should learn from their apartheid brothers and adopt a stated policy of wiping White South Africans off the face of the earth.

Apartheid no longer exists in South Africa, just a correction on your present tense.
But you never know what would have happened if it didn't end.
But it did end, and here's why:

"The United States and the End of Apartheid
U.S. foreign policy, which had a first helped apartheid flourish, underwent a total transformation and eventually played an important part in its downfall.

With the Cold War just heating up and the American people in the mood for isolationism, President Harry Truman’s main foreign policy goal was to limit the expansion of Soviet Union’s influence. While Truman’s domestic policy supported the advancement of the civil rights of black people in the United States, his administration chose not to protest the anti-communist South African white-ruled government’s system of apartheid. Truman’s efforts to maintain an ally against the Soviet Union in southern Africa set the stage for future presidents to lend subtle support to the apartheid regime, rather than risk the spread of communism.

Influenced to an extent by the growing U.S. civil rights movement and the social equality laws enacted as part of President Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society” platform, U.S. government leaders began to warm up to and ultimately support the anti-apartheid cause.

Finally, in 1986, the U.S. Congress, overriding President Ronald Reagan’s veto, enacted the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act imposing the first substantial economic sanctions to be levied against South Africa for its practice of racial apartheid.

Among other provisions, the Anti-Apartheid Act:

Outlawed the importation of many South African products such as steel, iron, uranium, coal, textiles, and agricultural commodities into the United States;
prohibited the South African government from holding U.S. bank accounts;
banned South African Airways from landing at U.S. airports;
blocked any form of U.S. foreign aid or assistance to the then pro-apartheid South African government; and
banned all new U.S. investments and loans in South Africa.

The act also established conditions of cooperation under which the sanctions would be lifted.

President Reagan vetoed the bill, calling it “economic warfare” and arguing that the sanctions would only lead to more civil strife in South Africa and mainly hurt the already impoverished black majority. Reagan offered to impose similar sanctions through more flexible executive orders. Feeling Reagan’s proposed sanctions were too weak, the House of Representatives, including 81 Republicans, voted to override the veto. Several days later, on October 2, 1986, the Senate joined the House in overriding the veto and the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act was enacted into law.

In 1988, the General Accounting Office – now the Government Accountability Office – reported that the Reagan administration had failed to fully enforce the sanctions against South Africa. In 1989, President George H.W. Bush declared his full commitment to "full enforcement" of the Anti-Apartheid Act.

The International Community and the End of Apartheid
The rest of the world began to object to the brutality of the South African apartheid regime in 1960 after white South African police opened fire on unarmed black protesters in the town of Sharpeville, killing 69 people and wounding 186 others.

The United Nations proposed economic sanctions against the white-ruled South African government. Not wanting to lose allies in Africa, several powerful members of the U.N. Security Council, including Great Britain, France, and the United States, succeeded in watering down the sanctions. However, during the 1970s, anti-apartheid and civil rights movements in Europe and the United States several governments to impose their own sanctions on the de Klerk government.

The sanctions imposed by the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act, passed by the U.S. Congress in 1986, drove many large multinational companies – along with their money and jobs – out of South Africa. As a result, holding on to apartheid brought the white-controlled South African state significant losses in revenue, security, and international reputation."

https://www.thoughtco.com/when-did-apartheid-end-43456

So BDS isn't really anti Semitic or anti Israel, just like these sanctions weren't anti South African.
It's just anti apartheid.
Only difference is, is that South Africa didn't have the same geopolitical significance as Israel does,
and South Africa didn't have it's own AIPAC to "lobby" for it's own interests.

 

[Butler1000]

It's Gandhi. But you mean the same Gandhi who expressed bigotry against Black (South) Africans?

Who said he was a saint? But he did right by his people.

The people of South Africa had Mandala. But the ANC weren't choir boys either.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

If all of this is apartheid, perhaps Black South Africans should learn from their apartheid brothers and adopt a stated policy of wiping White South Africans off the face of the earth.

Right Wing creeps think this is already a thing. Do a Google search for: White Genocide South Africa Farmers. There is already plenty of hysterical White Nationalist bullshit in the dark corners of the internet. Ask Zaibetter- he’ll hook you up with some fake news references for your enjoyment.

 

[Frankfooter]

Who said he was a saint? But he did right by his people.

The people of South Africa had Mandala. But the ANC weren't choir boys either.

And neither are Palestinians.
They are trying to do right by their people and protest apartheid as well.

BDS is the peaceful way.

 

[Butler1000]

And neither are Palestinians.
They are trying to do right by their people and protest apartheid as well.

BDS is the peaceful way.

Hamas is not trying to do right by them. They are a funded arm of Iran.

 

[mellowjello]

Hamas is not trying to do right by them. They are a funded arm of Iran.

Israel is not trying to do right by them. They are a funded arm of the U.S.
This is the worst case scenario, wouldn't you agree.

 

[Butler1000]

Israel is not trying to do right by them. They are a funded arm of the U.S.
This is the worst case scenario, wouldn't you agree.

They are an independent nation. Heavily financed militarily I agree. But you might as well say Canada is as well by that criteria.

 

[doggystyle99]

Israel is not trying to do right by them. They are a funded arm of the U.S.
This is the worst case scenario, wouldn't you agree.

They are an independent nation. Heavily financed militarily I agree. But you might as well say Canada is as well by that criteria.

Butler100%Exposed
As usual you're arguing with your made up personal beliefs rather than facts. Your above statement is news to all, and comparing Canada having a close relationship with the United States versus Israel getting military aid from the US every year in the amount of $3-4Bln/year is assinine.

 

[Butler1000]

Butler100%Exposed
As usual you're arguing with your made up personal beliefs rather than facts. Your above statement is news to all, and comparing Canada having a close relationship with the United States versus Israel getting military aid from the US every year in the amount of $3-4Bln/year is assinine.

Oh are you jumping in?

Wait no, you don't actually have a relevent opinion.....again. Just some lame cheap insult.

And if you don't think that we don't benefit from the USA paying for things I guess you have never heard of NORAD, or NATO.

Or just the fact they are happy to give our troops a lift because we can't do it.

Or shared intelligence, the bulk of which comes from USA sources.

You don't really think before you post much do you? Considering your sig I'm assuming it's because your political opinions are mainly forged via memes.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Oh are you jumping in?

Wait no, you don't actually have a relevent opinion.....again. Just some lame cheap insult.

And if you don't think that we don't benefit from the USA paying for things I guess you have never heard of NORAD, or NATO.

Or just the fact they are happy to give our troops a lift because we can't do it.

Or shared intelligence, the bulk of which comes from USA sources.

You don't really think before you post much do you? Considering your sig I'm assuming it's because your political opinions are mainly forged via memes.

LOL...A devastating critique from the trump supporting Bernie Bro.

 

[doggystyle99]

Oh are you jumping in?

Wait no, you don't actually have a relevent opinion.....again. Just some lame cheap insult.

And if you don't think that we don't benefit from the USA paying for things I guess you have never heard of NORAD, or NATO.

Or just the fact they are happy to give our troops a lift because we can't do it.

Or shared intelligence, the bulk of which comes from USA sources.

You don't really think before you post much do you? Considering your sig I'm assuming it's because your political opinions are mainly forged via memes.

Butler100%Exposed
Again if it's insulting to you it can be reported and the MODS will remove or delete the posts, otherwise you labelling everyone's posts as insults is nonsense as usual when you can't refute it. Trying to dismiss someone's opinion which are based on facts (unlike yours which is based on your uneducated opinions) as an irrelevant opinion is what you do best.
You tried equating the United States giving a military aid of $3-4Bln/year to the same as Canada having a close relationship with the US and you got called out for being the troll you are. Those are two very different things.
You just like to argue an opposing point based on your opinions rather than facts to death. But yes I point out your hypocricy when I have time, I don't live on TERB like you do but when I see your nonsense I point it out so everyone sees you for the fraud you are.

Again the United States giving Israel a $3-4Bln/year military aid is not the same thing as the close relationship Canada has with the US without the military aid and that's a fact.

 

[Butler1000]

Butler100%Exposed
Again if it's insulting to you it can be reported and the MODS will remove or delete the posts, otherwise you labelling everyone's posts as insults is nonsense as usual when you can't refute it. Trying to dismiss someone's opinion which are based on facts (unlike yours which is based on your uneducated opinions) as an irrelevant opinion is what you do best.
You tried equating the United States giving a military aid of $3-4Bln/year to the same as Canada having a close relationship with the US and you got called out for being the troll you are. Those are two very different things.
You just like to argue an opposing point based on your opinions rather than facts to death. But yes I point out your hypocricy when I have time, I don't live on TERB like you do but when I see your nonsense I point it out so everyone sees you for the fraud you are.

Again the United States giving Israel a $3-4Bln/year military aid is not the same thing as the close relationship Canada has with the US without the military aid and that's a fact.

Blah blah blah, repeat same, blah blah blah. You didn't actually address the things I said the USA pays for to secure Canada did you? How much has NORAD cost. Tens of billions. Look it up. And it's a binary treaty.

Let alone the extra burden they pay in Nato costs.

And who know how much free Intel they gather and share with us.

We are just as much a beneficiary and client for USA military protection as anyone. To think otherwise is to put your head in the sand.

Why would I report you? It's far better to take your petty points and continue to own you.

 

[icespot]

WOW!! How can Israel and Palestine ever have peace, when even in the digital world you guys can't stop insulting each other.

The real problem is political and business corruption on both sides.

Which is causing innocent Palestinians and Israelis to suffer. Both sides are suffering, the Palestinians at this time more than the Israelites, but they are both suffering. It's also not a competition of who has it worse.

I have Israeli friends and Arab/Persian friends, and they are all awesome people. They are a lot a like me, when I visit they are welcoming, warm, funny, like to party and they have awesome food.

Nazi Germany crimes changed the Jewish people for ever and rightly so. The German government created a machinery to exterminate every Jewish person in the world.

If you look at history at first German and European Jews ignore Nazi ideology and never imagined that they would actually do what they ended up doing.

So now you can't expect Israel to ignore governments and leaders saying that they want to wipe Israel of the face of the earth. They already had the experience, and they have every right to fight and defend themselves from such aggression.

Unfortunately, here is where interested parties intervine to create greater conflict. A conflict that sees many people on both sides get very very RICH. As long as both sides can be kept in conflict and afraid of each other the weapons will continue to be purchased by both sides.

Our very own Canada, is the sixth largest producer of weapons, and as we have seen our very own Justin son of Canada's greatest Champion of Human rights, place corporate profits over Human Rights when he refused to cancel the 15 billion weapon deal with Saudi Arabia, the Worlds biggest violator of Human Rights.

It is time that peace takes place between Israel and Palestine. The only way forward is with forgiveness of the past and hope for understanding in the future. Time to stop the corruption and start finding out who are the parties that benefit the most from the conflict and hold them accountable.