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Maybe instead of a library (he was never much of a reader), President Trump is hoping to build a presidential memorial golf course instead. Whatever the reason, WSJ reports that President Trump has expressed interest in buying the island of Greenland, and has discussed the prospect with several senior officials in his administration.

Of course, Greenland's name is famously a misnomer: the frigid island is situated between the North Atlantic and Arctic Oceans, and is covered in snow during most of the year. In other words, not exactly the ideal location for a memorial golf course.

But Greenland is a self-ruling part of the Kingdom of Denmark with a population of about 56,000. Incidentally, President Trump is scheduled to make his first visit to Denmark early next month, and, although the visit is unrelated, the people of Greenland have been joking that Trump is coming to see about buying their island.



As it turns out, it wasn't a joke.

To be sure, there would be certain advantages to owning Greenland, the two main ones being military and scientific. A decades-old defense treaty between Denmark and the US gives the military virtually unlimited rights. America has used those rights to build its northernmost base, Thule Air Base, located 750 miles north of the Arctic Circle. The base includes a radar station that is part of an ICBM early warning system. The base is also used by the US Air Force Space Command and the North American Aerospace Defense Command.

There is also - not surprisingly - a race for supremacy with China over the island's future. So far, Washington has prevented Beijing from financing three airports on Greenland that would give it a toehold on the strategically important island - which is also the world's largest by square mileage - something the US military refuses to risk.

To be fair to Trump, US interest in owning Greenland dates back more than a century. After WWII, Harry Truman offered Denmark $100 million for the island which, though it's technically part of North America, is culturally European. The Kingdom refused. The State Department also explored buying Greenland and Iceland in 1867, but nothing came of it.


It would be a funny coincidence if, after making his name as a developer on Manhattan, perhaps the world's most famous island, Trump cemented his legacy as a president by buying Greenland, the world's biggest island.

Or perhaps Trump only became president to land the world's biggest real estate deal?

Finally, for those asking what's the tentative price for this particular real estate...
 

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An off hand remark, most likely in jest, and another thread is born.
 

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Greenland's FM says it is not for sale.

Trump would not know this, but the way the Americans have conducted themselves at Thule Air Base has not endeared them to either the Greenlanders or the Danes.
 

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Greenland: Trump warned that island cannot be bought from Denmark
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Greenland is an autonomous Danish territory between the North Atlantic and Arctic oceans
Greenland has said it is "not for sale" following reports that US President Donald Trump has spoken about buying the world's biggest island.

The president is said to have discussed the idea of purchasing Greenland, an autonomous Danish territory, during dinners and meetings with advisers.

But Greenland's foreign ministry dismissed the idea, saying: "We're open for business, not for sale."

Mr Trump's reported plans have also been quickly dismissed by politicians in Denmark. "It must be an April Fool's Day joke...but totally out of [season]!", tweeted former Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen.

The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), which first reported the news, said Mr Trump had spoken about the purchase with "varying degrees of seriousness".

Sources quoted in other media differed over whether the president was joking or seriously hoping to expand US territory.

The White House has not commented on the reports.

Where is Greenland?
Greenland is the largest island in the world (after Australia, which is defined as a continent in its own right). It is an autonomous Danish territory, located between the North Atlantic and Arctic oceans.

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It has a population of about 56,000 people concentrated around the coastline. Almost 90% are indigenous Greenlandic Inuit people. It has a limited self-government and its own parliament.

More than 80% of the island is covered by an ice cap. Global warming is feared to be causing the ice cover to melt increasingly quickly but has also increased access to its mineral resources.

Greenland Premier Kim Kielsen has not commented publicly on the reports about Mr Trump.

Why would it be appealing to Trump?
Mr Trump has reportedly taken an interest in Greenland, in part, because of its natural resources, such as coal, zinc, copper and iron ore.

But while Greenland might be rich in minerals, it currently relies on Denmark for two thirds of its budget revenue. It has high rates of suicide, alcoholism and unemployment.

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Reports differ over whether Mr Trump was serious about trying to purchase Greenland
Two people briefed on the discussions told the New York Times the president was also interested in Greenland's "national security value" because of its location.

The US has long seen the island as being strategically important and established a radar base there at the start of the Cold War.

Republican Representative Mike Gallagher described Mr Trump's reported idea as a "smart geopolitical move".

"The United States has a compelling strategic interest in Greenland, and this should absolutely be on the table," he tweeted.

Is Greenland up for sale?
As Greenland's foreign ministry pointed out, the island is not on the market.

"Greenland is rich in valuable resources such as minerals, the purest water and ice, fish stocks, seafood, renewable energy and is a new frontier for adventure tourism. We're open for business, not for sale," it said in a statement shared on social media.

Greenland MP Aaja Chemnitz Larsen also dismissed the president's reported interest.

"No thanks to Trump buying Greenland!", she wrote on Twitter, adding that a "better and more equal partnership with Denmark" was the way forward.

Politicians in Denmark have ridiculed the idea of a possible US acquisition.

"If he is truly contemplating this, then this is final proof, that he has gone mad," foreign affairs spokesman for the populist Danish People's Party, Soren Espersen, told national broadcaster DR.

"The thought of Denmark selling 50,000 citizens to the United States is completely ridiculous."

"Out of all things that are not going to happen, this is the most unlikely. Forget it," Danish Conservative MP Rasmus Jarlov wrote on Twitter.

The WSJ reported that it was "unclear" how the US would go about acquiring Greenland if Mr Trump was serious.

Denmark's Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen, who took office earlier this year, has not commented on the reports.

She is set to visit Greenland this month and has said she is "very much looking forward" to it.

Mr Trump is scheduled to visit Denmark in September but there is no indication that the possible acquisition of Greenland is on the agenda.

Can countries buy territories?
Historically, countries have acquired territory not only through military conquest but also financial deals.

Under the 1803 Louisiana Purchase, the US acquired about 827,000 sq miles (2.1m sq km) of land from France for $15m (£12.3). In 1867, the US reached a deal with Russia to purchase Alaska for $7.2m.

The US later purchased the Danish West Indies in 1917 and renamed them the US Virgin Islands.

However, law professor Joseph Blocher wrote in 2012 that the "market for sovereign territory seems to have dried up".

"To be sure, there is still an active market for proprietary interests in public land... But borders - sovereign territory, rather than property - do not seem to be for sale."

"Sovereign territory was bought and sold throughout much of American history... But no such market currently exists," he wrote in his paper Selling State Borders.

Has the US ever tried to buy Greenland before?
Mr Trump is not the only US president to have had a reported interest in buying Greenland.

In 1946, Harry Truman offered Denmark $100m for the territory.

He had earlier toyed with the idea of swapping land in Alaska for strategic parts of Greenland, according to AP.
 

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No, its not stupid at all. The only stupid people are some of you here on Terb.

Greenland has billions of dollars in natural resources (gold, diamonds, zinc....etc). The only problem the vast majority of this is stuck underneath their ice sheet.
See map: https://images.slideplayer.com/35/10466809/slides/slide_2.jpg

If you can find a way through new technology to drill through that ice, or even melt large parts of the sheet, you will become an instant multi-billionaire



 

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Why would he want to see his money melt away?
 

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No, its not stupid at all. The only stupid people are some of you here on Terb.
It is stupid, and the people here who think it is not stupid, are stupid.

Besides the fact that nobody WANT to sell Greenland, nobody CAN sell Greenland. The agreement between Denmark and Greenland's self-government prohibits it.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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It is stupid, and the people here who think it is not stupid, are stupid
LOL......you triggered?? :biggrin1:

Besides the fact that nobody WANT to sell Greenland, nobody CAN sell Greenland. The agreement between Denmark and Greenland's self-government prohibits it
All Greenland would have to do is claim independence, and they could sell any part of Greenland they want.

And if Denmark wont grant them independence, claim racism.
Guaranteed those guilt-ridden Liberal Danes would let Greenland go in a heartbeat :nod:
 

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LOL......you triggered?? :biggrin1:


All Greenland would have to do is claim independence, and they could sell any part of Greenland they want.
Please don't pretend that you know anything about this, 'cause you don't.

The good old days when countries could purchase territory, are long gone. There is nothing for sale.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Please don't pretend that you know anything about this, 'cause you don't
Why wont Denmark give Greenland back to its natives?? Why are you oppressing the Greenlanders??

Are Danes racist?? Seems like it??
 

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No, its not stupid at all. The only stupid people are some of you here on Terb.

Greenland has billions of dollars in natural resources (gold, diamonds, zinc....etc). The only problem the vast majority of this is stuck underneath their ice sheet.
See map: https://images.slideplayer.com/35/10466809/slides/slide_2.jpg

If you can find a way through new technology to drill through that ice, or even melt large parts of the sheet, you will become an instant multi-billionaire
Thanks for describing the "reasons" why Trump wants it. After all, his history has been characterized by "money-making"....
 

Phil C. McNasty

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You know I'm just fucking with you a bit, dont you :p


BTW they had the US ambassador to Greenland on CNN, and he said relations between Denmark and GL are definitely somewhat strained.
Maybe they do want their independence??
 

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You know I'm just fucking with you a bit, dont you :p
I do.
BTW they had the US ambassador to Greenland on CNN, and he said relations between Denmark and GL are definitely somewhat strained.
Maybe they do want their independence??
The Greenlanders have their independence.

A few facts: There are 57,000 Greenlanders, 27,000 are employed, half by the government.

Denmarks pays $550 Million every year in Support, in addition to foreign affairs, health care, education and welfare in Denmark.

They have free access to EU market, but EU vessels cannot fish in Greenland Waters.

What can Trump offer them? Status like Puerto Rico?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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The Greenlanders have their independence
By independence I mean give them their own country. I dont think they have that, do they??
Internet still lists Greenland as a Denmark territory
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Thanks for describing the "reasons" why Trump wants it. After all, his history has been characterized by "money-making"....
And what exactly is wrong with money-making??
 

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