Can anyone see that Climate Change is all about money?
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The saying goes: "If you tell them a lie over and over again, they start to believe the lies". https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/adolf_hitler_385028
Well, under the cap and trade system, industry lowered its costs by lowering carbon output. Under a straight carbon tax, they still did the heavy lifgting, in order to get a lower tax rate and a lower more attractive price. Classic Picovian economics, and consumers had a price incentive to pick low carbon-cost products.
Thanks to Dougie and others like him, we have this less effective and more complex version: If you pay the tax and the rebate balances and zeroes it out, then no one's any further ahead. But if you go looking for products and energy sources with lower carbon costs you'll have paid less carbon tax but will still get the same rebate. And industry will still work to lower the carbon-tax that shows as a cost on its books.
When and if Dougie proposes a carbon tax (or similar carbon-pricing plan) that's more direct and obvious as a behaviour-changer even he, with all his nasty faults, would get my vote.
I dont understand why we cant save the planet for free.
If there really was a crisis, govt would put out incentives NOT taxes to help curb carbon. Pay people generously and there might be a greater reduction. Upsetting people with another tax does the opposite.
What would the government use for money to pay out these incentives of yours? Last I heard all their revenue sources were taxes of one sort or another. Not to mention whether we're talking, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, or the Exited States, not a one of them charges enough tax to operate in the black.
Pay taxes now, get the job done, or pay the unimaginable survival costs later, after the job becomes impossible. Either way, there ain't no one here to pay nuthin' 'cept us humans.
But you were saying how you'd save the planet for free …
To operate in the black one must first slim down services deemed non-essential. Would you agree to reducing some services to save humanity?
Second, its "Predicted" that the earth will cease to exist by the year 2100. Where will you be by then? If your father, and his fathers before him didnt give a fuck about our future, why do you think it would be fixed by us? All this time our fore fathers fucked the earth in the name of profit and they wont give back? Come on.
Who made that deeming and slimming our yours the first order of business?
It's unlikely either of us will see the earth cease to exist in 2100, as you claim, so why bring it up? Are you trying to make yourself sound ridiculous?
How am I making nyself sound ridiculous? Its VERY relevant today according to your govt funded scientists.....
Im not bringing it up, YOUR scientists did. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/06/heatwaves-climate-change-global-warming/
https://www.businessinsider.com/paris-climate-change-limits-100-years-2017-6
https://www.livescience.com/65732-world-population-will-stop-growing.html
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans.html
https://www.vox.com/a/weather-climate-change-us-cities-global-warming
https://mashable.com/feature/climate-change-future-22nd-century/
https://therevelator.org/future-climate-impacts/
https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...n-global-planet-start-year-2100-a7957886.html
This one is really funny. Scientists say the water will turn colours by 2100:https://www.coastalliving.com/lifes...ans-change-color-phytoplankton-climate-change
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...pulation-risk-endangered-climate-change-study
https://reason.com/2019/06/05/were-all-gonna-die-climate-change-apocalypse-by-2050/
Ah, fuck it, I always post the proof and you climate hoaxers never do your own research. If someone is spewing propaganda on tv all day, you just sit there and eat it all up.
Where you ever taught that there are 2 sides to a story? One side is real and one side makes a good story.
Yes. Not only is global warming BS, vaccines are too, and that shit that trails airplanes is not jet exhaust.
How you get that out of "not one of them said 'the earth will cease to exist'" is beyond me. You must be using versions of language and logic all your own.
Then what are they saying?
Seems to me that im not the only one confused about climate change. Looks like most of you dont know whats going on either?
Can you tell me what the scientists are really trying to say? Do we have a problem and worry about the existence of humans on earth or not? We must have a damn good reason to pay a tax dont we?
No, no,.... apparently if we dont pay a tax to clean up the earth, something happens to us. Now your telling me its not what they are saying. Am I missing something? Whats the deal with climate change and all the fear you're putting into us?
The earth will continue on.
Meanwhile parts of India are at the brink of becoming too hot for humans to survive.
New Orleans is flooded and waiting for a hurricane.
Fish stocks are a fraction of what they used to be.
But of course if you want to read what scientists say, you should start at reading what they expect will happen with the 1.5ºC warming we are pretty much committed to at this point.
https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
Did you even read this article? https://mashable.com/feature/climate-change-future-22nd-century/ It sounds like the end of the world to me. At least thats how myself and many other people look at it as well. Thats how you climate believers see it too.
Umm, scientists stated that if the earth continues to warm, people, animals, plants etc. will cease to exist. Wouldnt you think its the end of civilization (the world) at that point?
What do you think (other than the earth blowing up) the end of the world means to you?
When you at last imaginary produce the words of whatever 'they' has you trembling in fear, then perhaps I can help with your comprehension. But no one can explain or defend anything you haven't quoted or cited; only you know who 'they' might be.
The one person I know who said the planet we call the earth will cease to exist in 2100 is the Fathammer I'm wasting time responding to. As for your new tune: Even a child knows there are costs for trying to live in your messes without cleaning up after yourself.
Indeed you are using messed up logic and language all your own, not worth the effort to help you straighten out. I'll leave you to it.
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PS: Your article is an interesting read; it's unfortunate you so badly mis-represented it. Not that I care about the answer, but every aspect he talks about has already cost people living today, and will cost future generations more. Did you really imagine There Is Any Such Thing As A Free Lunch?
TANSTAAFL.
If people hadn't voted Leftists into office so often, we'd already have cities on Mars.
