I think the idea is to get people out of their comfort zone and limiting beliefs, which does hold a lot of people back. There are so many other ways to learn this lesson though.
Tony Robbins is coming to Toronto
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The marketing/entrepreneur world is filled with people like Tony. It's a smart shtick. There will ALWAYS be people who want to become rich and successful. What better way to become rich than by marketing a solution towards those people?
Of course, there's some value in what people like Tony have to say (albeit most of it, you can find in books and don't have to spend thousands to go see him). It's not like it's all bullshit. But their routine attracts such a wide range of hopefuls, most of whom will never apply the information and are just looking for life-hacks to become rich. That association drags the brand appeal of people like Tony Robbins down.
Of course, there's some value in what people like Tony have to say (albeit most of it, you can find in books and don't have to spend thousands to go see him). It's not like it's all bullshit. But their routine attracts such a wide range of hopefuls, most of whom will never apply the information and are just looking for life-hacks to become rich. That association drags the brand appeal of people like Tony Robbins down.
Very interesting responses.
My view is that Robbins does not sell a way to get rich. If that is the goal, then you are probably wasting your time. What he sells is a way to maximize your potential, what ever that is and where ever your talent lies. Of course there are many different ways to do this, one of course not being only reading books. That is necessary, but not sufficient. Some people will respond to his method, some not. But to put the man down and call him names and denigrate those (who are trying to improve themselves) who do get something from him is beyond the pale. And I think not worth responding to.
Further, this man has organizations around the world dedicated to feeding starving children and families. He contributes 10's of millions of dollars each year to this, not to mention that he has been very successful himself, being worth billions of dollars in material wealth. Anyone else here can claim this? Who exactly is/are the "clowns" I wonder.
My view is that Robbins does not sell a way to get rich. If that is the goal, then you are probably wasting your time. What he sells is a way to maximize your potential, what ever that is and where ever your talent lies. Of course there are many different ways to do this, one of course not being only reading books. That is necessary, but not sufficient. Some people will respond to his method, some not. But to put the man down and call him names and denigrate those (who are trying to improve themselves) who do get something from him is beyond the pale. And I think not worth responding to.
Further, this man has organizations around the world dedicated to feeding starving children and families. He contributes 10's of millions of dollars each year to this, not to mention that he has been very successful himself, being worth billions of dollars in material wealth. Anyone else here can claim this? Who exactly is/are the "clowns" I wonder.
Someone who exploits peoples vulnerabilities and is milking them for profits by exploiting their sickness is not someone who I would look up to and give my respect. His shows seem contrived, staged and carefully crafted to manipulate the weak and vulnerable minds. So he is worth > billion but give millions and buys peoples perceptions. Whenever I see him I think of a wolf in sheeps clothing...
Wake up! He is exploiting peoples conditions and the sicknesses and using them to manipulate and milk the masses and throws dust in everyone face to make it seem like he is a good guy. Reminds me of exactly the thing religions and self proclaimed prophets do. I remember another person who used to do this I think called Benny Himn however Tony seems to have learned from Bennys mistakes.
I am waiting for someone to tell me exactly how Robbins helped them. Saying he helped me realize my potential is not stating how he helped you. Or he helped me believe in myself is not stating how he did it. Should be easy to answer my question..
That is what he says. If he is a charlatan then he would lie about his charities and wealth. Stop believing everything someone says
BTW, I phoned up his place in Florida for a 5K weekend seminar. I guarantee you the salesman was on commission and had a rehearsed energy driven sales pitch as he tried to get my $ . I had lied and said I was wealthy but needed relationship help and $ was no object
The 5 K does not include room or food FFS and that was just for one person
For 50K you can attend all of his seminars for a year anywhere in the world
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The documentary opens with who I initially presumed to be a “preacher” working a miracle in one of those massive Mega Churches in the States where everyone is swaying and crying. For an unknown reason the young man undergoing the “intervention” is hoisted aloft by some of the 2,500 strong crowd and carried around the room. It turns out that this is no Mega Church, but a motivational seminar, and this man is suicidal. The man explains why, Robbins slags his shoes, talks about himself (this happens a lot), says “f*ck” a lot (this also happens a lot), and makes a joke about masturbation. The sound engineer’s finger hovers until Peak Emotion has been achieved; the man is crying, Robbins pulls him into a hug, and then Snow Patrol’s “Run” gets louder and louder until it’s thundering around the garishly lit, packed room. They fist bump and I get sick in my mouth a little. Then Robbins casually walks off leaving the now apparently no longer suicidal man awkwardly standing with his tear stained face. Until he gets hoisted aloft.
I saw the doc (as much as I could stand of it). My first thought was this suicidal guy is out of touch with reality so his reaction to Robbins is meaningless and he needs real help. My second thought is it was staged, as was the whole doc
Tony has strong similarities to evangelist miracle healers. He goes through the notes participants have wrote and cherry picks those who he can make look like he helped them when he did no such thing
Tony Robbins is a mix between a show “psychic” and someone who’s read too many pseudo scientific self-help articles, combined with his own monstrous ego. Spend your money on quality therapy (you know, a qualified person working under an ethical framework), a mindfulness course or two, a nice weekend away, lots of ice pops. Whatever. Tony seems to be goal orientated, so if that is your thing, try Solution Focused Therapy, or Cognitive Behavioural Therapy. Don’t spend it on a Tony Robbins workshop or books or whatever else he is selling. For the love of God please. This is a man with no formal education whatsoever in psychology or psychotherapy or facilitation, who performs “interventions” that he makes up on the fly, on vulnerable people in front of a crowd of thousands. This is not a psychology workshop, it’s pop-psychology on acid. This is not the facilitation of “breakthroughs”, it’s a stage show. No. Just no. It’s a no. From me to you. No.
Well stated
It makes me want to hurl when fools lke Larry King and Oprah interview this guy and plaudit him and never once challenge anything he says. Some of the stuff he says is made up gobble de gook pseudo science and makes no freakin sense what so ever
I think the real story is people can not think objectively and rationally and want a strong male figure they can lean on. Surprisingly, a lot of these people are wealthy businessmen and social leaders
I saw the doc (as much as I could stand of it). My first thought was this suicidal guy is out of touch with reality so his reaction to Robbins is meaningless and he needs real help. My second thought is it was staged, as was the whole doc
Tony has strong similarities to evangelist miracle healers. He goes through the notes participants have wrote and cherry picks those who he can make look like he helped them when he did no such thing
Tony Robbins is a mix between a show “psychic” and someone who’s read too many pseudo scientific self-help articles, combined with his own monstrous ego. Spend your money on quality therapy (you know, a qualified person working under an ethical framework), a mindfulness course or two, a nice weekend away, lots of ice pops. Whatever. Tony seems to be goal orientated, so if that is your thing, try Solution Focused Therapy, or Cognitive Behavioural Therapy. Don’t spend it on a Tony Robbins workshop or books or whatever else he is selling. For the love of God please. This is a man with no formal education whatsoever in psychology or psychotherapy or facilitation, who performs “interventions” that he makes up on the fly, on vulnerable people in front of a crowd of thousands. This is not a psychology workshop, it’s pop-psychology on acid. This is not the facilitation of “breakthroughs”, it’s a stage show. No. Just no. It’s a no. From me to you. No.
Well stated
It makes me want to hurl when fools lke Larry King and Oprah interview this guy and plaudit him and never once challenge anything he says. Some of the stuff he says is made up gobble de gook pseudo science and makes no freakin sense what so ever
I think the real story is people can not think objectively and rationally and want a strong male figure they can lean on. Surprisingly, a lot of these people are wealthy businessmen and social leaders
Fuck me I just saw Benny Hinn. I went to 'catch the Fire" evangelistic church to get saved and there he was. Apparently he got his start at that church before he went big time. As he was singing "the old rugged cross" I thought if God performs miracles through him then why doesnt God make Hinn a better singer? Should be easy
I went up to the front where he saved us and shouted the magical words he told us to as we raised our hands high. Still waiting to be saved
EXACTLY!
What I might get out of it, or you do not, it is entirely subjective. For me, or anyone else to try to explain what value they got from him, or not, is preposterous and a chumps game. And third party heresay evidence is worthless.
That would be first party hearsay, would it not?
To pay $ to Robbins then state you get a lot out it then state what you get from him is ineffable .... Let me make an analogy. You are Catholic and go to a mass by the Pope. Then you state how much you got out of it. IMHO you got nothing out of it other than feeling good
I think Robbins is full of energy and his energy plus the crowd energy makes you feel like you have gotten something out of nothing , just feel good hormonal rush. Everyone in the house is a believer so you are affected by everyone else. Like Catholics when they see the pope. They are delusional .
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I agree. But, in my defense, all I ask is what value they get from Robbins so I can learn and all I get is a non-answer. Very frustrating and leads me to the conclusion Robbins is a charlatan.
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The value someone gets from a course, coach or book is very personal and depends on what their goals are. "Changing my life" is not a goal IMO because it's not specific. Sadly, I think most people flock to seminars like this because they are hoping actually praying they will magically change their life. Meaningful change does not happen like that. That being said, I do think that people can get something of value in Tony's or any other course if they are laser-focused on a very specific goal and put in the work.
We cannot ignore the fact that many of these personal development companies like Rich Dad Poor Dad, Tony Robbins, Peak Potentials aka Millionaire Mind Intensive use these events as sales funnels for more expensive events. It's a lot easier to market these more expensive events once you have a captive audience. So you end up with people that get caught in the self-development circle yet never get anywhere.
We cannot ignore the fact that many of these personal development companies like Rich Dad Poor Dad, Tony Robbins, Peak Potentials aka Millionaire Mind Intensive use these events as sales funnels for more expensive events. It's a lot easier to market these more expensive events once you have a captive audience. So you end up with people that get caught in the self-development circle yet never get anywhere.
Does Benny Hinn have a stigmata?
How much is Robbins charging for his nothingburgers? Wouldn't it be more practical to just read Norman Vincent Peale. As Cosmo Kramer observed, "he may be old but he's spry"...and still relevant.
How much is Robbins charging for his nothingburgers? Wouldn't it be more practical to just read Norman Vincent Peale. As Cosmo Kramer observed, "he may be old but he's spry"...and still relevant.
He has written books, he should be able to communicate his ideas though them and for much less than blowing a fuckton to an event.
If he is holding on on his books I am sure others have written just as good books covering the same stuff, anything he has that's good other people have also thought of [and someone else first no doubt]
If you want to blow insane amounts of money to suck his dick, it ain't my money I don't care, if if I gave him that sort of cash, I better be getting blown and greek... no homo.
If he is holding on on his books I am sure others have written just as good books covering the same stuff, anything he has that's good other people have also thought of [and someone else first no doubt]
If you want to blow insane amounts of money to suck his dick, it ain't my money I don't care, if if I gave him that sort of cash, I better be getting blown and greek... no homo.
Fair enough. But to do this in writing on a forum like this would never work, in my view. Far too complicated. We would have to sit down and talk, And, at the end of the day you may still think the man is a charlatan. And that would be ok. Personally, I was very suspicious of him for a very long time, and others like him. I spent many hours not reading him, but studying him and came to certain conclusions. Some of his stuff worked for me.
Actually, seeing him in person and feeling the excitement is something you cannot get from books. $200 for a half day - there are guest speakers - almost seems worth all the screaming
