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Ford to slash Toronto city council to 25 councillors from 47, sources say

Butler1000

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However nothing Ford is doing will change any of that. Left, centre or right, the citizens will still elect their Councillors. Just half as many using the same boundaries as before. So the political leanings of the voters, the Councillors they elect and "what they spend [the money] on" are hardly likely to change significantly. They'll just be able to "waste" — your word — your money faster trying to keep the homeless folks and drug users, fleeing the 'burbs that won't tolerate either sort, from dying in the streets of my neighbourhood and theirs (otherwise known as the majority)

What last week's flooding said is that we all need to pay a good deal more taxes or live with it. The Fords wouldn't even support cheap little measures like the Downspout Diversion Program, never mind actual small fixes like the multi-hundred million dollar Don River diversion tunnel. Of course real fixes, like a systematic replacement and upgrade of 19th century sewers would cost more than their pet ScarBurrow, and ponying up that cash is the only way to deal with shit floating in the streets or your basement. But we Torontonians can hope that a more efficient Council will look past antique and vanished distinctions, like Etobicoke and Scarborough.

If only there was a plan for such a Council.
And they are steadily replacing those sewers now. It's happening all over the city.

And yes getting rid of half if this councillors will make it easier to get things done. I imagine the offices will be expanded. And 311 is there for day to day.

Amalgamation is over. It's here to stay.
 

oldjones

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And they are steadily replacing those sewers now. It's happening all over the city.

And yes getting rid of half if this councillors will make it easier to get things done. I imagine the offices will be expanded. And 311 is there for day to day.

Amalgamation is over. It's here to stay.
Guess the current Council's not so dysfunctional after all then, is it? But you'll hafta clue us in on how having half as many people with the same overwhelming amount of stuff to deal with"… will make it easier to get things done".

And there's no need to remind anyone that we're stuck with amalgamation; you should be trying to distract from how badly the PC's continue to mismanage that pet[ulant]-project no one needed or wanted, not bringing it up.
 

Butler1000

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Guess the current Council's not so dysfunctional after all then, is it? But you'll hafta clue us in on how having half as many people with the same overwhelming amount of stuff to deal with"… will make it easier to get things done".

And there's no need to remind anyone that we're stuck with amalgamation; you should be trying to distract from how badly the PC's continue to mismanage that pet[ulant]-project no one needed or wanted, not bringing it up.
It's because of Tory and a change in culture. As well the more conservative councillors finally getting together and mitigating the worst of the old NDP block.

The same ones organizing meetings to save their jobs right now rather than doing their jobs.

Tory is smart. He is trading injection sites downtown in their own neighbourhoods for good infrastructure.

And now the residents are pissed. Guess who will get the blame?
 

oldjones

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It's because of Tory and a change in culture. As well the more conservative councillors finally getting together and mitigating the worst of the old NDP block.

The same ones organizing meetings to save their jobs right now rather than doing their jobs.

Tory is smart. He is trading injection sites downtown in their own neighbourhoods for good infrastructure.

And now the residents are pissed. Guess who will get the blame?
Whatever did you intend those last two sentences to convey? We all know that addicted Scarberians and Etobicokers have to live on the streets downtown because their boroughs refuse to help. But who's pissed and who's blamed? I do get that you think having Tory as Mayor, has made Dougie's DooDoo less than necessary. Too bad you and he have such low opinions of democracy and prefer autocrats and such. Some folks learn slow I guess.
 

SirWanker

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A pre-requisite for anyone running for any level of government should be that they must have run their own business for a minimum of 10 years. Everything else is everything else...including being a camp councillor.
Doug Ford is a shining example of a businessman who should not be involved in any level of politics.

Meanwhile finally after decades under Tory my street is getting new water mains and sewers. That's what the primary concern of a city govt should be.
Last week's flooding says it all. The Toronto council dating back to the eighties ( under Layton led voting blocks) kept differing needed infrastructure for social engineering spending.
Sorry but that's over now. Amalgamation will solve these issues with proper spending in proper city wide projects.
Amalgamation occurred back in the late 90s and it sure did not solve the aging infrastructure issues.

The problem of why nothing gets done at Toronto City Hall, look no further than Adam Vaungh.
All he was interested in was protecting his fiefdom, using taxpayer money of course.
That is why John Tory is such an idiot.
He wants to maintain that system. Toronto deserves a better mayor.
Tory has been, for the most part, a better and more productive mayor than the previous mayoral twins Rob and Doug Ford.
 

oldjones

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Doug Ford is a shining example of a businessman who should not be involved in any level of politics.
Amalgamation occurred back in the late 90s and it sure did not solve the aging infrastructure issues.
Tory has been, for the most part, a better and more productive mayor than the previous mayoral twins Rob and Doug Ford.
Just on the last point, even Lastman managed to get stuff through council and off the drawing boards into the world. So did Miller. Since amalgamation most of the dysfunction has been Ford-generated — some help from Denzil and Mammo — which would seem to make any 'fix' coming from that quarter even more suspect.
 

Anbarandy

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It's because of Tory and a change in culture. As well the more conservative councillors finally getting together and mitigating the worst of the old NDP block.

The same ones organizing meetings to save their jobs right now rather than doing their jobs.

Tory is smart. He is trading injection sites downtown in their own neighbourhoods for good infrastructure.

And now the residents are pissed. Guess who will get the blame?
WTF are you talking about?

The Three Stooges would have injected a welcome change in culture compared to the twin Ford Buffoons that preceded John Tory.

The more conservative councilors that u are enthralled with were in lock step with the Ford Buffoons in flushing down the toilet +$4.5billion worth of scare resources on totally unnecessary, unwarranted and wasteful pet projects.

Tory is smarter than the Ford Buffoons, which ain't saying much. Plenty of blame for squandered $$$$$ and opportunities solely for political purposes lies squarely at his doorstep. And is if 'good infrastructure', such as pipes and sewers beneath your street were a Tory initiative.

You are blinded by your disdain for centrist Toronto councilors such as Cressy, Wong-Tam, Layton Jr.


"Gravy Train!"

"Free and at no cost +$3.5billion 1 stop subway extension!"

"$1billion Gardiner realignment!"

"Free, at no cost 21 station DumbTrack!"

"Ferris Wheel! Shopping Mall with 20,000 free parking spaces in the Portlands!"

"Stop the War on the Car!"

"Subways! Subways! Subways"


And u swallowed up all this spittle.
 

Boober69

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Government and business are entirely different activities. Indeed being a successful camp counsellor — do note the proper spelling for the activity — is just as relevant a prerequisite for government as being a several times bankrupt corporate CEO or playing one on TV. Or to bring it closer to home: If running Daddy's business that you inherited — we await Renata's lawsuit to discover how successfully — is your criterion, aren't you advocating hereditary monarchy?

In a democracy, the prerequisite is being chosen by the people to represent them in the making the decisions that govern the people in their best interest. No one elected Dougie, or his Party to decide Toronto's future. In fact we rejected him when he ran for that position.
Well considering Doug joined the mayoral race at the 11th hour and came fairly close to beating Tory, I would say that was a pretty good run. And considering how many people voted for him, that would make him very popular.
And I take it you are joking about Justin being qualified based on his in-depth experience at camp right?
Going bankrupt is part of being successful for most millionaires/billionaires in the world. It's called experience.
A trust fund baby wouldn't really have the same experience now would they?
I'll accept your argument about Renata's lawsuit...on one condition...when nothing comes of it (which will be the case), then you will drop the allegations about the Ford business on all counts as well as stop throwing in cheap shots at the Ford's about it.
Deal?
 

Boober69

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Guess the current Council's not so dysfunctional after all then, is it? But you'll hafta clue us in on how having half as many people with the same overwhelming amount of stuff to deal with"… will make it easier to get things done".

And there's no need to remind anyone that we're stuck with amalgamation; you should be trying to distract from how badly the PC's continue to mismanage that pet[ulant]-project no one needed or wanted, not bringing it up.
The Liberals had 15 years to change it if they wanted...I guess they didn't want to. I guess there wasn't enough boondoggle money to be made on that one.
 

Boober69

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Doug Ford is a shining example of a businessman who should not be involved in any level of politics.



Amalgamation occurred back in the late 90s and it sure did not solve the aging infrastructure issues.



Tory has been, for the most part, a better and more productive mayor than the previous mayoral twins Rob and Doug Ford.
"Doug Ford is a shining example of a businessman who should not be involved in any level of politics."

Why...because he's keeping his promises?
 

Boober69

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WTF are you talking about?

The Three Stooges would have injected a welcome change in culture compared to the twin Ford Buffoons that preceded John Tory.

The more conservative councilors that u are enthralled with were in lock step with the Ford Buffoons in flushing down the toilet +$4.5billion worth of scare resources on totally unnecessary, unwarranted and wasteful pet projects.

Tory is smarter than the Ford Buffoons, which ain't saying much. Plenty of blame for squandered $$$$$ and opportunities solely for political purposes lies squarely at his doorstep. And is if 'good infrastructure', such as pipes and sewers beneath your street were a Tory initiative.

You are blinded by your disdain for centrist Toronto councilors such as Cressy, Wong-Tam, Layton Jr.


"Gravy Train!"

"Free and at no cost +$3.5billion 1 stop subway extension!"

"$1billion Gardiner realignment!"

"Free, at no cost 21 station DumbTrack!"

"Ferris Wheel! Shopping Mall with 20,000 free parking spaces in the Portlands!"

"Stop the War on the Car!"

"Subways! Subways! Subways"


And u swallowed up all this spittle.
Just because you were rejected from joining Ford Nation, doesn't mean you need to be so angry.
There's always room for one more...maybe change your tune and come on board!

The alternative is to be a whining, entitled, bike-lane lovin', righteous bitch for the next 4 years, who doesn't believe there is actually more to this city than beyond the downtown core.

The choice is yours.

I know you'll make the right one.
 

SirWanker

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"Doug Ford is a shining example of a businessman who should not be involved in any level of politics."

Why...because he's keeping his promises?
His business, Deco Labels, is not doing that great since he failed to adapt to the new business requirements and screwing over existing loyal clients to pander to potential new customers.
Keeping promises is not a reliable measure of a successful businessman.
 

oldjones

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Well considering Doug joined the mayoral race at the 11th hour and came fairly close to beating Tory, I would say that was a pretty good run. And considering how many people voted for him, that would make him very popular.
And I take it you are joking about Justin being qualified based on his in-depth experience at camp right?
Going bankrupt is part of being successful for most millionaires/billionaires in the world. It's called experience.
A trust fund baby wouldn't really have the same experience now would they?
I'll accept your argument about Renata's lawsuit...on one condition...when nothing comes of it (which will be the case), then you will drop the allegations about the Ford business on all counts as well as stop throwing in cheap shots at the Ford's about it.
Deal?
With an actual record on Council and the family name added to the sympathy vote for poor dying Rob its surprising he and his Nation did so poorly against a liberal Tory who'd never won an election. Except for the PC leadership, and we know that's a cook-off don't we? The only thing that could account for Doug's failure is that Toronto was too smart to be fooled twice. Most of us knew he'd be as lousy at the big job as he was as Councillor and his brother was as Mayor. Same reason most of Toronto voted for anyone but Dougie, provincially. Council's only dysfunctional if you're in the minority and can't figure out how to play nice with others. See Fords, Mammo Denzil et al.

You and Donny may think running businesses into the ground is smart, but we're talking about where we live and raise kids, not how to fleece investors and subcontractors. Government needs real smarts.

You've set a low bar for cheap shots, but do let me know if I say something untrue. No one knows if Deco's doing well or poorly, and whatever trust fund Rob and Doug started off with Rob's widow says none of that or the company's profits are flowing to her.
 

SirWanker

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The alternative is to be a whining, entitled, bike-lane lovin', righteous bitch for the next 4 years, who doesn't believe there is actually more to this city than beyond the downtown core.

Seeing that a majority of residential and business development is concentrated in the downtown core, it is important to maintain that healthy environment, no?
 

Butler1000

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WTF are you talking about?

The Three Stooges would have injected a welcome change in culture compared to the twin Ford Buffoons that preceded John Tory.

The more conservative councilors that u are enthralled with were in lock step with the Ford Buffoons in flushing down the toilet +$4.5billion worth of scare resources on totally unnecessary, unwarranted and wasteful pet projects.

Tory is smarter than the Ford Buffoons, which ain't saying much. Plenty of blame for squandered $$$$$ and opportunities solely for political purposes lies squarely at his doorstep. And is if 'good infrastructure', such as pipes and sewers beneath your street were a Tory initiative.

You are blinded by your disdain for centrist Toronto councilors such as Cressy, Wong-Tam, Layton Jr.


"Gravy Train!"

"Free and at no cost +$3.5billion 1 stop subway extension!"

"$1billion Gardiner realignment!"

"Free, at no cost 21 station DumbTrack!"

"Ferris Wheel! Shopping Mall with 20,000 free parking spaces in the Portlands!"

"Stop the War on the Car!"

"Subways! Subways! Subways"


And u swallowed up all this spittle.
Dude. Even the councillors you mentioned would proudly say they are card carrying left wing members of the NDP.

You lost the argument just on the basis of the assertion they are centrist.
 

Boober69

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Seeing that a majority of residential and business development is concentrated in the downtown core, it is important to maintain that healthy environment, no?
...which is why big companies like KPMG have moved out of downtown to Vaughn? PWC to Oakville?
And many more...
It appears the healthy environments are sprouting outside downtown no?
 

oldjones

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...which is why big companies like KPMG have moved out of downtown to Vaughn? PWC to Oakville?
And many more...
It appears the healthy environments are sprouting outside downtown no?
As they should, and the people who live and work there should make the decisons about those places (you do know they're separate municipalities don't you?) just as those who live and work in the downtown should decide how it is governed. And all of us who mix and mingle everywhere are the ones who should decide how the whole place operates.

None of which makes Toronto's Council any business of a bunch of PC MPPs from places like Renfrew, Wiarton and and Welland to decide. But they're the only folks Dougie could get to go along with his petulant get-even scheme.
 

Butler1000

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As they should, and the people who live and work there should make the decisons about those places (you do know they're separate municipalities don't you?) just as those who live and work in the downtown should decide how it is governed. And all of us who mix and mingle everywhere are the ones who should decide how the whole place operates.

None of which makes Toronto's Council any business of a bunch of PC MPPs from places like Renfrew, Wiarton and and Welland to decide. But they're the only folks Dougie could get to go along with his petulant get-even scheme.
Um. So then the wind farms Wynne set up you would also disagree with?

And you also then agree with the Scarborough subway as that's what the locals wanted?
 

oldjones

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Um. So then the wind farms Wynne set up you would also disagree with?

And you also then agree with the Scarborough subway as that's what the locals wanted?
IF they want to pay for the extravagant thing, by all means. If they're trying to get the entire City to foot the bill, it should be as useful to the entire City as other better options. Open a thread if you want another discussion of the details of those; it's abundantly clear they were less expensive and would have served more of us better.

I may not like the windmill on my neighbour's rooftop, or farm field, but that doesn't mean I have a right to prevent her from putting it there if she follows the planning and building codes. Are you saying Wynne forced those turbines on those farmers? Again, if you want to debate the merits of such things, start a thread.

Neither of those speak to the issues of democratic municipal governance I mentioned.
 

Frankfooter

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Dude. Even the councillors you mentioned would proudly say they are card carrying left wing members of the NDP.

You lost the argument just on the basis of the assertion they are centrist.
You just lost the argument.
Mamolita has stated that the Ford plan really is to lessen the number of downtown and left leaning councillors.
This is gerrymandering, its anti-democratic.
 
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