Another Mass Shooting in the U.S.

Smooth60

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I’m guessing you meant antipsychotic.

And I assume you were trying to say “should be on antipsychotic meds.”
You might think that but CM has an agenda.
He has posted before about meds for depression causing psychotic behaviours when shootings etc are in the news.
Wait for a flood of YT nonsense and ridiculous Op Eds from pseudo intellectual 'experts'.
 

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You might think that but CM has an agenda.
He has posted before about meds for depression causing psychotic behaviours when shootings etc are in the news.
Wait for a flood of YT nonsense and ridiculous Op Eds from pseudo intellectual 'experts'.
why don't you do research instead of posting smart ass comments.


the Lass vegas Shooter and others before him were on psych meds

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...dock-another-mass-shooter-on-psychiatric-meds

According to data obtained from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, this past summer Paddock had been prescribed an anti-anxiety medication called Diazepam (originally marketed as Valium), side effects of which include aggressive and psychotic behavior, hostility, confusion, decreased inhibitions, and suicidal thoughts.

"If somebody has an underlying aggression problem and you sedate them with that drug, they can become aggressive," Dr. Mel Pohl of the Las Vegas Recovery Center told the paper. “It can disinhibit an underlying emotional state. … It is much like what happens when you give alcohol to some people … they become aggressive instead of going to sleep.”

Whether Diazepam is what motivated Paddock to go on a killing spree is unclear, as evidence seems to indicate that the mass shooting was meticulously planned and carefully calculated. According to Dr. Michael First of Columbia University, an expert on benzodiazepines, while drugs such as Diazepam can cause aggressive behavior, the extent to which Paddock planned his actions indicates there were deeper issues behind his decision to commit the worst mass shooting spree in American history.

But according to a 2015 World Psychiatry study of 960 Finnish adults and teens convicted of homicide, the odds of killing are indeed higher in individuals on benzodiazepines.

And Paddock is not the first mass shooter to have been under the influence of psychiatric drugs. The Citizens Commission on Human Rights International notes that at least 36 school shootings have been committed by those either taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. These shootings have resulted in the deaths of 80 people.

Psychotropic drugs and homicide: A prospective cohort study from Finland

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wps.20220/full
 

Smooth60

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why don't you do research instead of posting smart ass comments.


the Lass vegas Shooter and others before him were on psych meds

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...dock-another-mass-shooter-on-psychiatric-meds

According to data obtained from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, this past summer Paddock had been prescribed an anti-anxiety medication called Diazepam (originally marketed as Valium), side effects of which include aggressive and psychotic behavior, hostility, confusion, decreased inhibitions, and suicidal thoughts.

"If somebody has an underlying aggression problem and you sedate them with that drug, they can become aggressive," Dr. Mel Pohl of the Las Vegas Recovery Center told the paper. “It can disinhibit an underlying emotional state. … It is much like what happens when you give alcohol to some people … they become aggressive instead of going to sleep.”

Whether Diazepam is what motivated Paddock to go on a killing spree is unclear, as evidence seems to indicate that the mass shooting was meticulously planned and carefully calculated. According to Dr. Michael First of Columbia University, an expert on benzodiazepines, while drugs such as Diazepam can cause aggressive behavior, the extent to which Paddock planned his actions indicates there were deeper issues behind his decision to commit the worst mass shooting spree in American history.

But according to a 2015 World Psychiatry study of 960 Finnish adults and teens convicted of homicide, the odds of killing are indeed higher in individuals on benzodiazepines.

And Paddock is not the first mass shooter to have been under the influence of psychiatric drugs. The Citizens Commission on Human Rights International notes that at least 36 school shootings have been committed by those either taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. These shootings have resulted in the deaths of 80 people.

Psychotropic drugs and homicide: A prospective cohort study from Finland

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wps.20220/full
Quite simply because all your horse shit posts deserve are smart ass remarks.
I have more respect for my time than to waste it on refuting the garbage you post.
 

mandrill

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If the shooter is psychotic he should not be hold
criminally responsible if he is in Canada provided
that he has missed his medication.
Also the law in the USA, GB, Australia. Goes back to Medieval times. But the psychosis has to be so severe that the killer literally is completely divorced from reality and hallucinating while they are committing the act - i.e. seeing little green men or fighting with demons. Anything less and the accused is still guilty of murder.

This killing seems far too well planned and carried out to be psychotic. Your standard psychotic "not guilty by reason of insanity" murderer stabs Uncle Sid with a steak knife because he believes Uncle Sid is Satan and then is arrested walking down the street singing nursery rhymes.

Just being "mentally and emotionally fucked up" isn't a defence to much of anything.
 

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Quite simply because all your horse shit posts deserve are smart ass remarks.
I have more respect for my time than to waste it on refuting the garbage you post.
you hate my posts but you continue to reply to them
 

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As we all know, C-M is a connoisseur of conspiracy theory, far right crap in all its forms. The fine publication he quotes from is predictably a self-styled "anti-left" website and claims that taking a couple of valium made the LV Shooter into a psychotic mass murderer. Of course, there is no way that anyone mentally impaired as suggested by the article could have planned, prepared and executed the killing spree.

But that doesn't bother C-M. We're just lucky he doesn't claim the Freemasons planned it, as that is one of his usual theories when anything bad happens.

did you even bother to read the article and look a the sources the author is using? and instead of posting based on your feelings and emotions?
 

mandrill

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why don't you do research instead of posting smart ass comments.


the Lass vegas Shooter and others before him were on psych meds

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...dock-another-mass-shooter-on-psychiatric-meds

According to data obtained from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, this past summer Paddock had been prescribed an anti-anxiety medication called Diazepam (originally marketed as Valium), side effects of which include aggressive and psychotic behavior, hostility, confusion, decreased inhibitions, and suicidal thoughts.

"If somebody has an underlying aggression problem and you sedate them with that drug, they can become aggressive," Dr. Mel Pohl of the Las Vegas Recovery Center told the paper. “It can disinhibit an underlying emotional state. … It is much like what happens when you give alcohol to some people … they become aggressive instead of going to sleep.”

Whether Diazepam is what motivated Paddock to go on a killing spree is unclear, as evidence seems to indicate that the mass shooting was meticulously planned and carefully calculated. According to Dr. Michael First of Columbia University, an expert on benzodiazepines, while drugs such as Diazepam can cause aggressive behavior, the extent to which Paddock planned his actions indicates there were deeper issues behind his decision to commit the worst mass shooting spree in American history.

But according to a 2015 World Psychiatry study of 960 Finnish adults and teens convicted of homicide, the odds of killing are indeed higher in individuals on benzodiazepines.

And Paddock is not the first mass shooter to have been under the influence of psychiatric drugs. The Citizens Commission on Human Rights International notes that at least 36 school shootings have been committed by those either taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. These shootings have resulted in the deaths of 80 people.

Psychotropic drugs and homicide: A prospective cohort study from Finland
Even that article says that the dose of valium that the LV Shooter was taking didn't "cause" his killing spree. If the article is genuine, he may have had depression problems which were exacerbated by valium; but that's no legal or moral excuse or explanation for murder.
 

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Doesn't sound like it would be a ISIS terror act. Lots of people killed, but a church in the middle of nowhere doesn't sound like a target a radical would hit.

But you never know.

No details about the suspect yet.
 

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Not sure how accurate this is, but here ya go.

EDIT: its from Boston Globe, so probably accurate

https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/927276093425553409

Funny how everyone has a ton of knives at home, various blunt items that can used to club people to death, and just about every home has a baseball bat.

Yet you never hear about mass knifings or some guy trying to kill 10 people swinging a bat.

In the good 'ol USA, it's all about loading up and blasting away.
 

LT56

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Depending upon the state there already is significant gun control legislation. For example Illinois has some of the strictest legislation yet gun crime is an epidemic in Chicago. Furthermore, a very small percentage of gun murders are committed using legally purchased firearms. There are no official stats (or they won't tell us if there are) but we're talking less than 5%. So given that tell me why you think "serious" gun control legislation is required?
If firearms are easily available in neighbouring states then individual state legislation is futile.
 

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Depending upon the state there already is significant gun control legislation. For example Illinois has some of the strictest legislation yet gun crime is an epidemic in Chicago. Furthermore, a very small percentage of gun murders are committed using legally purchased firearms. There are no official stats (or they won't tell us if there are) but we're talking less than 5%. So given that tell me why you think "serious" gun control legislation is required?
A big reason is that the pro-gun lobby, and the courts, have eroded local and state gun laws in IL. Additionally, IL is surrounded by pro-gun lobby "red states" that support the weakening of gun laws in those states, making it easier to transport guns across state lines. As the attached Chicago Tribune article mentions, NYC has more stringent gun laws, and a declining homicide rate to go along with those laws. I suspect socioeconomic reasons play a large role as well in explaining Chicago's gun violence.

And while the gun violence in Chicago is frightening, there are many other cities in America with more dangerous gun violence than Chicago.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...l-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html
 

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Not much information at this point. The alleged shooter is dead, and the church is in a very rural ranching area southwest of San Antonio.
 

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Quite simply because all your horse shit posts deserve are smart ass remarks.
I have more respect for my time than to waste it on refuting the garbage you post.
I don’t even bother reading CM’s posts. I wish the mods would just ban that fool.
 

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Depending upon the state there already is significant gun control legislation. For example Illinois has some of the strictest legislation yet gun crime is an epidemic in Chicago. Furthermore, a very small percentage of gun murders are committed using legally purchased firearms. There are no official stats (or they won't tell us if there are) but we're talking less than 5%. So given that tell me why you think "serious" gun control legislation is required?
There is no meaningful gun control in the United States.

To says that Illinois has "strict gun control " is laughable. Compare Illinois to Canada and Illinois is a free for all.
 
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