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CNBC commentator Marc Faber says "Thank God white people populated America, not black

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/17/dr-doom-faber-thank-god-white-people-populated-america.html

"Dr. Doom" Faber: 'Thank God white people populated America'

The market pessimist Marc "Dr. Doom" Faber claims that the U.S. is great primarily because it is ruled by white people.

"I am not a racist, but the reality - no matter how politically incorrect - needs to be spelled out," he says in his latest Gloom, Boom & Doom report.

Faber did not back away from the statements when asked for comment by CNBC, writing in an email, "If stating some historical facts makes me a racist, then I suppose that I am a racist."

"And thank God white people populated America, and not the blacks. Otherwise, the US would look like Zimbabwe, which it might look like one day anyway, but at least America enjoyed 200 years in the economic and political sun under a white majority," he wrote.

Faber called the monuments "statues of honourable people whose only crime was to defend what all societies had done for more than 5,000 years: keep a part of the population enslaved.
 

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He's a phd in economics.

He also wrote this in 2008:

"The federal government is sending each of us a $600 rebate. If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, the money goes to China. If we spend it on gasoline it goes to the Arabs. If we buy a computer it will go to India. If we purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala. If we purchase a good car it will go to Germany. If we purchase useless crap it will go to Taiwan and none of it will help the American economy. The only way to keep that money here at home is to spend it on prostitutes and beer, since these are the only products still produced in US. I've been doing my part."
 

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Are blacks capable of producing democratic prosperity? Of course they are, all races are. Having said that, historically Faber is right. The Western prosperity is a result of centuries of evolution through mostly bad and worse decisions, millions of deaths, almost constant warfare, monumental injustice, etc. America is the end result of that evolution and, thankfully, a lesson learned. There's no way that the blacks of the eighteen century Africa could have produced even an approximation of what we have now.
 

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There is no way blacks could have produced as much in America
because they were not as good as the whites in enslaving
fellow humans.
 

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There is no way blacks could have produced as much in America
because they were not as good as the whites in enslaving
fellow humans.
You've got to be kidding! Who do you think whites bought slaves from? (And haven't you watched the Ten Commandments at least once?) There is STILL slavery in many parts of Africa today
 

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Are blacks capable of producing democratic prosperity? Of course they are, all races are. Having said that, historically Faber is right. The Western prosperity is a result of centuries of evolution through mostly bad and worse decisions, millions of deaths, almost constant warfare, monumental injustice, etc. America is the end result of that evolution and, thankfully, a lesson learned. There's no way that the blacks of the eighteen century Africa could have produced even an approximation of what we have now.
However, as enslaved workers in the sugar, rice and cotton plantations those same blacks produced the wealth and progress that put England and the US where they are today.

I think we'd be wise to stick to comment on the speaker and his words, rather than parade our prejudices and bigotry as he paraded his. It's striking indeed that he follows his claim of objectivity — "…stating historical facts" — with the non-fact that it was God's will that America was populated by whites. In fact, it was populated by the peoples we whites mistook for Indians, presumably according to the plans and purposes of that god of his.

Whatever his academic credentials, he's clearly quite happy being provocative rather than thoughtful and informative, And smugly content with his bigotry. But as history what he said is crap.
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And a PS: As the birth rates are trending, it would appear that Her (that god of Faber's) long-term plan was for America to be black, not white. Or perhaps just human?
 

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Are blacks capable of producing democratic prosperity? Of course they are, all races are. Having said that, historically Faber is right. The Western prosperity is a result of centuries of evolution through mostly bad and worse decisions, millions of deaths, almost constant warfare, monumental injustice, etc. America is the end result of that evolution and, thankfully, a lesson learned. There's no way that the blacks of the eighteen century Africa could have produced even an approximation of what we have now.
Guns, Germs and Steel.
Jarod Diamond
https://www.amazon.ca/Guns-Germs-Steel-Jared-Diamond/dp/0393317552
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel
The book attempts to explain why Eurasian and North African civilizations have survived and conquered others, while arguing against the idea that Eurasian hegemony is due to any form of Eurasian intellectual, moral, or inherent genetic superiority. Diamond argues that the gaps in power and technology between human societies originate primarily in environmental differences, which are amplified by various positive feedback loops. When cultural or genetic differences have favored Eurasians (for example, written language or the development among Eurasians of resistance to endemic diseases), he asserts that these advantages occurred because of the influence of geography on societies and cultures (for example, by facilitating commerce and trade between different cultures) and were not inherent in the Eurasian genomes.
 

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However, as enslaved workers in the sugar, rice and cotton plantations those same blacks produced the wealth and progress that put England and the US where they are today.
I've yet to see a convincing analysis of this oft repeated proposition. The analyses I have seen usually ignore the fact that the costs of slavery (purchase costs, food, clothing, shelter, security (ie. guards)) were not significantly different in totality to what so called "free" unskilled labourers received in compensation from their masters at that time. In short, slave owners spent enough to provide subsistence living to their slaves, and masters provided about the same to their servants.

There's a better case to be made for the seizure/exploitation by Europeans of lands previously held by other people as the foundation for European (and thus Western) economic superiority.

However, the argument that the US economy was built on the backs of slaves is no better than the argument that it was built on the backs on unskilled low paid free workers.

None of this justifies slavery. Fundamentally, slavery is immoral. However, what is underestimated in this discussion is that a significant reason for the end of slavery in the West was the recognition, economically, that it was not working (or not working any better than so-called free employment). People who think slavery ended just because Northerners were "nice guys" don't really understand people.
 

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However, as enslaved workers in the sugar, rice and cotton plantations those same blacks produced the wealth and progress that put England and the US where they are today.

I think we'd be wise to stick to comment on the speaker and his words, rather than parade our prejudices and bigotry as he paraded his. It's striking indeed that he follows his claim of objectivity — "…stating historical facts" — with the non-fact that it was God's will that America was populated by whites. In fact, it was populated by the peoples we whites mistook for Indians, presumably according to the plans and purposes of that god of his.

Whatever his academic credentials, he's clearly quite happy being provocative rather than thoughtful and informative, And smugly content with his bigotry. But as history what he said is crap.
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And a PS: As the birth rates are trending, it would appear that Her (that god of Faber's) long-term plan was for America to be black, not white. Or perhaps just human?
That's like crediting the steam engine for the industrial revolution. Important, maybe even crucial, but it didn't invent itself. Cheap/slave labor? If the deceases haven't destroyed the indigenous populations,it would be the descendants of the Lakota kneeling at the the football games.
 

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His historical facts leave out one important part: that, given the same circumstances, black people could very well have been as prosperous, or even more so.

But it doesn't matter now anyway. The past is the past, and there's no changing it. It's why I get so pissed at our Liberal government for their apologies and reimbursements for wrongdoings committed generations in the past.
 

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I've yet to see a convincing analysis of this oft repeated proposition. The analyses I have seen usually ignore the fact that the costs of slavery (purchase costs, food, clothing, shelter, security (ie. guards)) were not significantly different in totality to what so called "free" unskilled labourers received in compensation from their masters at that time. In short, slave owners spent enough to provide subsistence living to their slaves, and masters provided about the same to their servants.

There's a better case to be made for the seizure/exploitation by Europeans of lands previously held by other people as the foundation for European (and thus Western) economic superiority.

However, the argument that the US economy was built on the backs of slaves is no better than the argument that it was built on the backs on unskilled low paid free workers.

None of this justifies slavery. Fundamentally, slavery is immoral. However, what is underestimated in this discussion is that a significant reason for the end of slavery in the West was the recognition, economically, that it was not working (or not working any better than so-called free employment). People who think slavery ended just because Northerners were "nice guys" don't really understand people.
Irrespective of the monetary costs to slave-owners, the current prosperity and advanced economies of the America's — and much of the UK — was built by the hands and on the backs of black slaves. A coerced low-cost labour force imported to worke where there was no other — like the labour camps of the Nazis. And, as you say, that depended on the wholesale theft and expropriation of the lands of the original populations.

I cannot understand why you suggested that the US economy wasn't built on the backs of "unskilled low paid free workers". When have employers ever preferred to pay more than the minimum that would keep their enterprises running?
 

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Irrespective of the monetary costs to slave-owners, the current prosperity and advanced economies of the America's — and much of the UK — was built by the hands and on the backs of black slaves. A coerced low-cost labour force imported to worke where there was no other — like the labour camps of the Nazis. And, as you say, that depended on the wholesale theft and expropriation of the lands of the original populations.

I cannot understand why you suggested that the US economy wasn't built on the backs of "unskilled low paid free workers". When have employers ever preferred to pay more than the minimum that would keep their enterprises running?
While all of this is quite silly I’m sure you are aware that the slave states were/are the poorest - clearly building the US on the back of Slavery didn’t work very well.
 

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I cannot understand why you suggested that the US economy wasn't built on the backs of "unskilled low paid free workers". When have employers ever preferred to pay more than the minimum that would keep their enterprises running?
I didn't say that it wasn't built on the backs of low paid workers. I am suggesting that fact doesn't give anyone a reparations claim (which is why people advance the "built on the backs of slaves" argument). If there had been no slaves in the new world, there would have been low paid so-called free workers. They would have been paid about as much as it cost to own slaves, and would have lived about as well as slaves (except they would have had to find their own crappy food, clothing, medical care, and shelter - as opposed to slaves who received crappy food, clothing, medical care and shelter from their owners) - although they could choose which plantation owner they wanted to work for, or which country they wanted to be poor in. The American economy would have developed the same way, and American wealth would be distributed the same way it is today. In short, slavery had little to nothing to do with it.

Now, natives who were run off their lands might have a more logical claim, but c'est la guerre.
 

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It's true that technologies were shared more rapidly between East and West and vice versa due to geography, and cultures in these regions had the good fortune of animal species that could be domesticated. Much of Africa and none of the New World had the benefit of this positive feedback loop.

But how does that change the fact that it's been a blessing that Western Europeans re-populated the New World? Without them doing so, the New World to this day would still be populated by warring native tribes. Rather than cities like Toronto, there would only be folks like this (an actual photo of an uncontacted tribe discovered in 2012): http://www.sbs.com.au/news/sites/sb...full/public/20080530000097074310-original.jpg
 

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While all of this is quite silly I’m sure you are aware that the slave states were/are the poorest - clearly building the US on the back of Slavery didn’t work very well.
Got you where you are to day, in spite of being stupid enough to fight a hugely bloody war over the right to keep slaves in their crappy shacks behind those great big expensive mansions.

I'm happy to agree you might well be better off today had you abolished slavery much earlier, though. The Brits were smart enough to figure out it was a long-term losing proposition at the beginning of the 1800s while you guys were still trying to keep it alive well into Reconstruction. perhaps that's why they built the cotton mills you supplied and invented the steam engines you imported.

In any case, the point of the article the OP cited is the mistaken and racist notion that the whites 'populated' America, when the evidence is clear that first they de-populated it, then they imported an entire African population that is today within just a few years of becoming the majority.

Apparently the god Faber credits wasn't much for eternal doing's.
 

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It's true that technologies were shared more rapidly between East and West and vice versa due to geography, and cultures in these regions had the good fortune of animal species that could be domesticated. Much of Africa and none of the New World had the benefit of this positive feedback loop.

But how does that change the fact that it's been a blessing that Western Europeans re-populated the New World? Without them doing so, the New World to this day would still be populated by warring native tribes. Rather than cities like Toronto, there would only be folks like this (an actual photo of an uncontacted tribe discovered in 2012): http://www.sbs.com.au/news/sites/sb...full/public/20080530000097074310-original.jpg
I don't think you can call it a blessing to the native population, the genocide is quite possibly the biggest one ever.
Sure, its worked out well for us, but for them?
Not at all.
 

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Got you where you are to day, in spite of being stupid enough to fight a hugely bloody war over the right to keep slaves in their crappy shacks behind those great big expensive mansions.

I'm happy to agree you might well be better off today had you abolished slavery much earlier, though. The Brits were smart enough to figure out it was a long-term losing proposition at the beginning of the 1800s while you guys were still trying to keep it alive well into Reconstruction. perhaps that's why they built the cotton mills you supplied and invented the steam engines you imported.

In any case, the point of the article the OP cited is the mistaken and racist notion that the whites 'populated' America, when the evidence is clear that first they de-populated it, then they imported an entire African population that is today within just a few years of becoming the majority.

Apparently the god Faber credits wasn't much for eternal doing's.
Didn’t take you long to abandon your argument that American success was built on the backs of slaves....
 

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No it's just racist. His premise is based on cultural development of democratic systems and industrialized society, not on the race like he claims.
The uncomfortable question is, list all the large black populations in the world that are economically successful?
 
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