Real estate leeches

The Mechanic

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Have a quick question how do you get rid of these realestate agents I just came back from a trip and found the flower bed and themail box full of advert for real estate pitches. Yesterday I have 4 of thoseleeches pop up wanting me to sell I tell then I never contacted you and have nointension of sell when I kick the bucket the firehall can use it for training .Thesize of the lot you can put up 2 houses on it that’s why the demand for it andthe area is full of old timer and people wanting to downsize complain to thereal estate board here in Brampton is like talking to my dog or p*ssing againsta fan give you a warn feeling… now I’m putting a sign up on the mailbox norealtor’s no solicitation :sick:
 

wickman12

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So ur pissed off that they're just trying to do their job and earn a living? Door knocking or cold calling will always be part of the sales gig. Some do it more than others, some just resort to online programs. that's how many of them generate business. Who else do u wanna bitch about and the way they conduct their business?
 

The Mechanic

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So ur pissed off that they're just trying to do their job and earn a living? Door knocking or cold calling will always be part of the sales gig. Some do it more than others, some just resort to online programs. that's how many of them generate business. Who else do u wanna bitch about and the way they conduct their business?
I have nothing against someone working BUT there is a bigdifference between work and harassment and the same flyers picture match theguy at the door. Let me put it this way when you see a lady here it’s one ofYOUR choosing and at you time and not the other way around
 

niniveh

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Mechanic: Leeches is the right word because it is a parasitic profession that adds no real value to a transaction between a buyer and a seller of the biggest spend of their lives. We have been programmed to believe that they are necessary much like the DeBeer's marketing that a guy should spend $$$$ on a diamond for his fiancee...which is essentially a lump of carbon. To qualify as a realtor is a joke. Any high school dropout can clear the hurdle. So why do we pay them 5% or 6% of the biggest cheque we'll ever sign? Before the advent of digital technology they might have controlled access to information about the properties via the MLS system. But that is no longer the case. Sellers can make available whatever info they want to prospective buyers on the web. I find it laughable that realtors spend the biggest part of their budget plastering their portraits all over town in vulgar advertisements and think that it promotes sales. Much like our politicians who visually pollute our environment with their silly signs during elections. I'd rather have them spend their budget on a web site that invites debate and discussion of important issues by the voters. As we get mature and more comfortable with digital technology we'll learn that there is no need for an intermediary between a buyer and a seller. We buy and sell almost everything we want without a "broker"; so why not a house. Worth it to make a plan of action and spend a few hundred bucks on ads and a good lawyer than waste tens of thousands of $$$ on these parasites.
 

Samranchoi

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There are also many mortgage brokers that are really bad and quite a few provide fake documents to lenders and/or misrepresent info
 

TeeJay

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@Mechanic
Ok so you know you have desirable property and you act all surprised when a Realtor who is searching for a client solicits you?
Duh...


Before the advent of digital technology they might have controlled access to information about the properties via the MLS system. But that is no longer the case. Sellers can make available whatever info they want to prospective buyers on the web. I find it laughable that realtors spend the biggest part of their budget plastering their portraits all over town in vulgar advertisements and think that it promotes sales.
Yeah ok you go post your info online... at least with MLS the info is semi-private
If you think those billboards/signs/pic at bus stop do nothing you are a tool with no clue how advertising works
Oh & its a tax write off anyways
 

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Mechanic: Leeches is the right word because it is a parasitic profession that adds no real value to a transaction between a buyer and a seller of the biggest spend of their lives. We have been programmed to believe that they are necessary much like the DeBeer's marketing that a guy should spend $$$$ on a diamond for his fiancee...which is essentially a lump of carbon. To qualify as a realtor is a joke. Any high school dropout can clear the hurdle. So why do we pay them 5% or 6% of the biggest cheque we'll ever sign? Before the advent of digital technology they might have controlled access to information about the properties via the MLS system. But that is no longer the case. Sellers can make available whatever info they want to prospective buyers on the web. I find it laughable that realtors spend the biggest part of their budget plastering their portraits all over town in vulgar advertisements and think that it promotes sales. Much like our politicians who visually pollute our environment with their silly signs during elections. I'd rather have them spend their budget on a web site that invites debate and discussion of important issues by the voters. As we get mature and more comfortable with digital technology we'll learn that there is no need for an intermediary between a buyer and a seller. We buy and sell almost everything we want without a "broker"; so why not a house. Worth it to make a plan of action and spend a few hundred bucks on ads and a good lawyer than waste tens of thousands of $$$ on these parasites.
Yep,... and realtors are mostly responsible for real-estate bubbles,...
 

essguy_

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Have a quick question how do you get rid of these realestate agents I just came back from a trip and found the flower bed and themail box full of advert for real estate pitches. Yesterday I have 4 of thoseleeches pop up wanting me to sell I tell then I never contacted you and have nointension of sell when I kick the bucket the firehall can use it for training .Thesize of the lot you can put up 2 houses on it that’s why the demand for it andthe area is full of old timer and people wanting to downsize complain to thereal estate board here in Brampton is like talking to my dog or p*ssing againsta fan give you a warn feeling… now I’m putting a sign up on the mailbox norealtor’s no solicitation :sick:
You can't get rid of them. As for the flyers - it's a pet peeve of mine when I come back from a trip or vacation and find them in my mailbox. I can hold mail, cancel the papers - but the only defence against flyers (and over half are usually real estate related) is a no flyers sticker and a neighbour who will pick them up after they ignore the "no flyers" sticker. The worst are the doorknob hangers. It's like people think they are exempt from a "no flyers" request. What better way to telegraph that you're not home than a doorknob hanger that sits there for several days?
 

wickman12

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Mechanic: Leeches is the right word because it is a parasitic profession that adds no real value to a transaction between a buyer and a seller of the biggest spend of their lives. We have been programmed to believe that they are necessary much like the DeBeer's marketing that a guy should spend $$$$ on a diamond for his fiancee...which is essentially a lump of carbon. To qualify as a realtor is a joke. Any high school dropout can clear the hurdle. So why do we pay them 5% or 6% of the biggest cheque we'll ever sign? Before the advent of digital technology they might have controlled access to information about the properties via the MLS system. But that is no longer the case. Sellers can make available whatever info they want to prospective buyers on the web. I find it laughable that realtors spend the biggest part of their budget plastering their portraits all over town in vulgar advertisements and think that it promotes sales. Much like our politicians who visually pollute our environment with their silly signs during elections. I'd rather have them spend their budget on a web site that invites debate and discussion of important issues by the voters. As we get mature and more comfortable with digital technology we'll learn that there is no need for an intermediary between a buyer and a seller. We buy and sell almost everything we want without a "broker"; so why not a house. Worth it to make a plan of action and spend a few hundred bucks on ads and a good lawyer than waste tens of thousands of $$$ on these parasites.
In no particular order I will address some of your points:

- Sold price of a home is NOT available publicly online. Only realtors can give you this info along with full detail specs of the home. You arent getting close to half of that info on MLS. With full specs of a home, thats how you are able to properly compare home by home and their sale prices to ones that you are either interested in buying or looking to put on the market for fair asking price. Asking price is not the same thing as market value.

- trying to sell on your own, good luck. Many realtors wont take clients your way for many reasons. MLS is the largest market for sellers and buyers. Not only will you be in competition with sellers on MLS, you will just be cutting out the largest market of potential trade partners therefore creating less demand on your property due to less reach.

- realtors facilitate the deal. Trying to sell or buy directly with the other party can be disastrous. Sellers emotions get in the way because its their home, any small disagreement or insult such as paint color, a potential deal may never happen if 2 sides decide to get douchebaggy on each other. Realtors are there to cut that shit out. They talk the big picture, they talk reason to try to put a deal together for their clients where both sides will be happy. Lots of shit goes down during conditional home inspections (if it happens), this is usually where negotiations really kick up a notch.

- You are dealing with multiple offers. Whether you are a buyer or seller, do you know how to either compete with 7 other offers? or would you know how to handle 7 offers on your home and also know how to push buttons legally to get an even higher sale price? Doubt you will, in fact, you might even end up selling your house to 3 different families and get your ass sued at the end of it all

- Buyer agents are free. If you deal directly with a listing agent, guess what, he/she gets all the commission (2 deals worth). Wouldnt you want an agent to help u negotiate, give you full detailed info so you can decide what price is fair or not, setup showings for you so you dont have to make a dozen calls. If you are a private seller, yes you got commission to pay out for marketing, agents duties and their obligations to you, but to give you a little glimpse of hell, you wanna deal with staying at home letting dozens of people into your house at all times of day? If you cant show your home, you lose potential buyers, and possibly multiple offers, which could lessen your sale price. This is just a little scratch of annoyances private sellers have to deal with

- Realtors farm areas to brand themselves. simple as that. branding is so important. Like it or not, thats what you gotta deal with.

I can go on in a lot more detail but I dont intend to write a whole sales package here.
 

franci

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Sounds like you are a realtor trying to justify your commission. lol!

In no particular order I will address some of your points:

- Sold price of a home is NOT available publicly online. Only realtors can give you this info along with full detail specs of the home. You arent getting close to half of that info on MLS. With full specs of a home, thats how you are able to properly compare home by home and their sale prices to ones that you are either interested in buying or looking to put on the market for fair asking price. Asking price is not the same thing as market value.

- trying to sell on your own, good luck. Many realtors wont take clients your way for many reasons. MLS is the largest market for sellers and buyers. Not only will you be in competition with sellers on MLS, you will just be cutting out the largest market of potential trade partners therefore creating less demand on your property due to less reach.

- realtors facilitate the deal. Trying to sell or buy directly with the other party can be disastrous. Sellers emotions get in the way because its their home, any small disagreement or insult such as paint color, a potential deal may never happen if 2 sides decide to get douchebaggy on each other. Realtors are there to cut that shit out. They talk the big picture, they talk reason to try to put a deal together for their clients where both sides will be happy. Lots of shit goes down during conditional home inspections (if it happens), this is usually where negotiations really kick up a notch.

- You are dealing with multiple offers. Whether you are a buyer or seller, do you know how to either compete with 7 other offers? or would you know how to handle 7 offers on your home and also know how to push buttons legally to get an even higher sale price? Doubt you will, in fact, you might even end up selling your house to 3 different families and get your ass sued at the end of it all

- Buyer agents are free. If you deal directly with a listing agent, guess what, he/she gets all the commission (2 deals worth). Wouldnt you want an agent to help u negotiate, give you full detailed info so you can decide what price is fair or not, setup showings for you so you dont have to make a dozen calls. If you are a private seller, yes you got commission to pay out for marketing, agents duties and their obligations to you, but to give you a little glimpse of hell, you wanna deal with staying at home letting dozens of people into your house at all times of day? If you cant show your home, you lose potential buyers, and possibly multiple offers, which could lessen your sale price. This is just a little scratch of annoyances private sellers have to deal with

- Realtors farm areas to brand themselves. simple as that. branding is so important. Like it or not, thats what you gotta deal with.

I can go on in a lot more detail but I dont intend to write a whole sales package here.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Go with Comfree to sell your property: www.comfree.com

Just make sure to offer the buying real estate agent up to 2.5% or you'll get blacklisted.

And when agents call you to come and see your property always ask if they're bringing a client. If they're not bringing a client tell them they're not welcome.

Agents who come by themselves are just trying to get you to list with them
 

wickman12

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Sounds like you are a realtor trying to justify your commission. lol!
U have an issue with me defending my trade and career? If I come across naive ppl who not only don't know exactly all the things we do, all the expenses it takes to operate in this business, and say that we don't deserve the income we earn... damn right I will speak up. Sure there are shitty realtors out there looking for a quick buck, put a bad rap on the industry, but I pride myself in delivering strong service, knowledge, and skills for my clients so that they get the best deal for them, and in turn they come back to me and send me many appreciated referrals.

If we go down the road that Nineveh came from, why don't we all start barking up everyone's tree and find some ignorant thing to say about their profession and their income...
 

FAST

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Sounds like you are a realtor trying to justify your commission. lol!
Yep,... and this from his post, - ,... "know how to push buttons legally to get an even higher sale price?"

Confirms my post regarding artificial real-estate bubbles.
 

Denmae

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@Mechanic
Ok so you know you have desirable property and you act all surprised when a Realtor who is searching for a client solicits you?
Duh...



Yeah ok you go post your info online... at least with MLS the info is semi-private
If you think those billboards/signs/pic at bus stop do nothing you are a tool with no clue how advertising works
Oh & its a tax write off anyways
What does a tax write off have to do with this ? Lol
 

blueray

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U have an issue with me defending my trade and career? If I come across naive ppl who not only don't know exactly all the things we do, all the expenses it takes to operate in this business, and say that we don't deserve the income we earn... damn right I will speak up. Sure there are shitty realtors out there looking for a quick buck, put a bad rap on the industry, but I pride myself in delivering strong service, knowledge, and skills for my clients so that they get the best deal for them, and in turn they come back to me and send me many appreciated referrals.
I have no issue with you defending your profession, but, it just hasn't changed with the times. Realtors definitely do have value but the commission structure needs to change with the times. If I sold my home next week (It would sell in a week max) I would be paying $70,000 in commission. If you think $35,000 per agent is a realistic number for home sellers to pay, then there is no use continuing the discussion. I sold a property with Comfree, just like phil c mcnasty. Listed on MLS, sold in three days, I dictated the commission I would pay and I saved a hell of a lot of money.
 

Samranchoi

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It is not so much that by selling on COMFREE or privately that you have saved thousands of dollars. It is the fact that you have not actually paid a huge amount of commission to a third party (plus taxes). Unless you know the market really well, you may actually be selling your property for much less as compared if the property was listed on MLS. Properties that are listed on MLS obtain exposure to thousands of real estate agents and unless the property is sold, it costs you nothing. To list it privately, you must still incur costs out of pocket to advertise it (COMFREE and possibly lawyer fees because if you are selling privately, you should always have your lawyer review the document). You may also want to obtain a home inspection, especially if you have an older home. This may give potential purchasers piece of mind although if you are purchasing privately (or through MLS), you should always have a home inspection done.

There is a home next to me that actually sold for way more than it should have. I am talking huge dollars (hundreds of thousands). It sold in less than 3 days and the purchasers were offshore. It is obvious they didn't know the market (I discussed with a real estate agent friend of mine) but because they bought when the market was hot (purchased in May of 2017) and they didn't know the market as well (outside of the GTA) they paid asking price. It is case like this where being listed on MLS greatly benefitted the vendor and the commission expense was well worth it. Many purchasers will never purchase a home privately as compared to through a real estate agent for a variety of reasons. I have seen many people purchase privately for much more than they were worth as well as for much less than they were worth. The same goes for homes that were listed via MLS.

Do I think real estate agents deserve to be paid a total of 6% of the selling price on all transactions. No way but many will gladly pay it or negotiate a lower commission especially if the listing agent is double ending a sale and/or involved in the sellers purchase.

The majority of people do not have the patience, time or knowledge to sell their home without a licensed real estate agent. While the commission on the sale of a home may be considered obscene by many, I am sure the majority of sellers came out better than if they tried to sell their property privately.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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It is not so much that by selling on COMFREE or privately that you have saved thousands of dollars. It is the fact that you have not actually paid a huge amount of commission to a third party (plus taxes). Unless you know the market really well, you may actually be selling your property for much less as compared if the property was listed on MLS. Properties that are listed on MLS obtain exposure to thousands of real estate agents and unless the property is sold, it costs you nothing
Sorry, but you are wrong. Properties listed with comfree automatically go up on MLS as well
 
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