Mass Shooting in Vegas

[nottyboi]

I wonder if he left a message on the video. It would be really strange if he didn't. After all, he certainly wanted to make some sort of statement. If he wanted to end it he could just blown his brains out.

 

[black booty lover]

If you want to gloss over the fact that it's a generally homogenous and xenophobic society, occupying a small land mass and only look at the fact that private gun ownership is scarce...:doh:

I'm not glossing over anything. I stated a fact and asked a question. Not sure what "land mass" has to do with anything. More about population, don't you think? P.S, doesn't your last sentence support the argument?

 

[cunning linguist]

Which doesn't make the reasonable gun control proposals bad ideas, useless or undesirable. Laws and police don't make people good or stop crime. But they do come in handy when the crimes happen. And just maybe, the fact that we put ourselves to the trouble to have laws and pay for police gets a bit of 'cultural' message across: That we actually care about being Goody Two-Shoes enough that we'll pay to make it unpleasant for the bad guys. So don't be bad.

Can't hurt to try getting a similar 'cultural' message out to the bad gun owners. After all, the recent Washington shooting should be all the wake-up anyone needs that their currently popular myth — armed citizens can stand against repressive legislators — had some big holes. Even before the shooting started.

What specific proposals could have prevented, mitigated or aided investigation after the fact?

The "cultural message"...to make it unpleasant for the bad guys" like what, exactly? Don't do bad things? Those already exist.

What masquerades as "reasonable measures" are really just "cultural messages" that want to make it unpleasant for ordinary citizens, not "bad guys".

 

[Galseigin]

Pictures of some of the people lost...what a sin

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ng-first-victims-identified-death-toll-rises/

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

He did not use an automatic rifle or a machine gun. He used a semi auto equipped with a slide fire stock. Slide fire stocks are 100% legal in the U.S. (illegal in Canada)

Not that it really matters poorboy, but if you scroll back a page or two, thats exactly the point I was trying to make.

Its:

1. Side fire stock
2. Bumper stock

Take your pick. Either way, a lot of people dead right now.

And these bumper stocks....AKA Sidefires need to be illegalized ASAP!!!!!!!!!!

R.I.P.

 

[TeeJay]

If you want to gloss over the fact that it's a generally homogenous and xenophobic society, occupying a small land mass and only look at the fact that private gun ownership is scarce...:doh:

So you think the real answer is a complete ban on immigration? I like where you are going with this.

 

[TeeJay]

We have different histories. We are also 1/10 the size of the US and don't share a border with Mexico which is an extremely violent country. We also have the right to bear arms if we want to. With more restrictions of course.

lol
We DO share a border with a very violent country
The very country we are debating (good old US of A)

As a matter of fact, 2 of the WORST states are right on our borders (NY & MI)


I fail to see what "size of our country" has anything to do with gun laws

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

^^^^ great points TeeJay

 

[wigglee]

The right choice is to do nothing. Every time there is talk of changing the gun laws to make them more restrictive, Americans send gun sales through the roof. Obama was the greatest gun salesman in the history of the United States. Under Trump, who is pro gun, firearms, ammunition and firearm accessory manufacturers experienced steep declines. Some have even closed shop. Historic companies like Remington are on the verge of bankruptcy. All the manufacturers are offering rebates. Guns became the cheapest they had ever been in the last 50 years. It's called the Trump Slump.

It may seem counter intuitive, but that's what works in America.

So.... are you suggesting that maybe the gun manufacturers are actually executing these mass murders to increase their sales and profits? Hmmmmm...

 

[wilbur]

Good points.

The pro-gun people will argue that the more powerful semi-auto military grade guns should be allowed. And it typically comes down to this:

It's a fallacy to say that military grade guns are more powerful. AR-15's, the civilian derivative of the M-16, often erroneously referred to as 'assault weapons', are actually not so powerful. In fact, if you get caught trying to hunt a moose with an AR-15 calibre rifle (.223/5.56), you will get arrested by a conservation officer. That's because it's not powerful enough to humanely kill a moose. You need a bigger hunting rifle, such as a .308 calibre rifle, your typical hunting rifle. The ones with the scopes that look like 'powerful' sniper rifles. Now you'll be saying that sniper rifles should be banned... it never ends.

The problem with anti-gun people is that they don't know shit. They aren't even sure which country they live in.

 

[wilbur]

The truth is the rate of "psychopathy" is higher in white males then in black males or asian males and females ( of all races ).

The most dangerous, violent, lack of empathy humans is the entitled white man.

Why do police shoot harmless black men, when the real danger is white crazies. And always men too.

I would be interested in knowing where you got your statistics.... that is, if you actually did base yourself on statistics.

 

[wilbur]

So.... are you suggesting that maybe the gun manufacturers are actually executing these mass murders to increase their sales and profits? Hmmmmm...

You'll have to try better at your logic.

 

[Calgacus]

The truth is the rate of "psychopathy" is higher in white males then in black males or asian males and females ( of all races ).

The most dangerous, violent, lack of empathy humans is the entitled white man.

Why do police shoot harmless black men, when the real danger is white crazies. And always men too.

I guess all the refugees and people that want to immigrate to predominantly White (I prefer big & blue)countries must be masochists then.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

 

[black booty lover]

I guess all the refugees and people that want to immigrate to predominantly White (I prefer big & blue)countries must be masochists then.

This guy's a troll, I don't even think he's old enough to be on the forum. Don't feed him.

 

[FAST]

This guy's a troll, I don't even think he's old enough to be on the forum. Don't feed him.

Yep.

Sounds like a 12 year old fuji,...!!!

 

[canada-man]

The truth is the rate of "psychopathy" is higher in white males then in black males or asian males and females ( of all races ).

The most dangerous, violent, lack of empathy humans is the entitled white man.

Why do police shoot harmless black men, when the real danger is white crazies. And always men too.

citation required

 

[nottyboi]

He did not use an automatic rifle or a machine gun. He used a semi auto equipped with a slide fire stock. Slide fire stocks are 100% legal in the U.S. (illegal in Canada). The trigger was pulled every single time in order for a round to be fired, making the rifle still semi auto. Automatic firearms can fire multiple rounds with one trigger pull. Automatic firearms are legal, but strictly regulated in the U.S.

Just because someone can pull the trigger of a semi auto fast enough to provide a rate of fire almost equal to an automatic does not make it automatic. There's quite a few people out there that can do it too. Look up Gerry Michulek. The article you referenced even states that once you get past the false attention grabbing headline. None of those rifles posted are automatic. Both AR's show only having SAFE and SEMI positions. If the AK was turned around, it would probably show the same thing. To be sold in the U.S. as semi's, they would not be easily convertible.

It's like confusing homicide with murder. They are not the same thing.

Your perception and opinion is he used an automatic, but legally and factually he did not.

All a bump stock does is use the trigger finger as a linkage to transmit the recoil to enable automatic fire. It is not finger energy pulling the trigger, it is the energy from the round. So calling it semi-auto is to me symantics. A semi auto, is when the trigger is release purely from the energy of the finger.

 

[Smooth60]

I read it a long time ago, on some study posting on the internet.

They said that black men and asian / oriental men mostly kill because of a family dispute, financial difficulty or political belief.

BUT white men kill strangers just for the heck of it.

That's why white men are actually the most dangerous. Just like Paul Ryan, they seem friendly, but are psychopaths who feel no empathy, even for other white men and females.

I'm too lazy to use google, but I'm telling the truth, honest.

You are not just lazy but intellectually irresponsible.
There are no significant differences in levels of 'psychopathy', Anti Social Personality Disorder, or empathy, (a term you do not understand), between races or ethnic groups.
The research by Rushton and Lynn et al has been repeatedly shown to be fallacious, invalid and unreliable.

 

[Aardvark154]

Quote: “In the eight months of Trump … more Americans have been killed by white ( Republican voting ) American men.”

Which is one of those "Lies, damn lies, and statistics" type statistics.

It says nothing about how many more, about percentages, or about comparisons such as native born versus immigrants.

Further above and beyond that I just don't believe it is true. For instance to date there have been 527 murders in the City of Chicago almost all of them involving Black murderers and Black victims. Which means that the death toll in Los Vegas was 11.2 percent of that in the first nine months of the year in Chicago.