Game of Thrones "SPOILER ALERT" Thread
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Probably not sure the span of time or train of events but here is the clip
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wxK92bDmrfA
I believe that the Night King had this planned as well, not sure if he is a green seer but he had the spears and those Hugh chains. Where was the undead giants?
Jon Snows expedition had dragonglass, also fire kills walkers .. you can see them use them in the fight against the bear and the undead army, they are mainly daggers. And yes I think the mission was a stupid idea, you need the numbers.
The Azor Ahai theories online are crazy, who is it? Maybe it's no one but still where is the red sword lightbringer? Then you have the prince that was reborn and are they the same?
Arya, Sansa and LF ... if Bran already knows then the beef could get squashes in no time.
Bran and the Night King connection... I like this theory very much if you take out any physics theories lol I'm going to wait to see this but given that the NK is 8000 years old it does make things very interesting.
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Yes. Just a thought. I doubt it's even original at this point.
But I will say, DD have moved waaaay off-style if this doesn't pay off in a Stark girl team-up on Littlefinger.
Sansa should absolutely know better than to trust ANYTHING he says. Sure he was instrumental in ensuring the Knights of the Vale came to her rescue at her request during Battle of the Bastards, but he has proven over and over that he shouldn't be trusted.
-He told her he had a lot to do with the murder of Joffrey and pinned it on Ser Dontos who he then had murdered after rescuing Sansa.
-I believe she heard Lysa admit to killing Jon Arryn for LF. This is HUGE as it is perhaps the leading background cause (not trigger cause) of Ned's execution, and most of her family's murders (plus her own marital rape). She then watched him betray and murder Lysa, one scene after kissing a less than nubile Samsa in the Godswood garden. Which was cool in his mind, because he always loved her mother?!?!?
-He married her off to a person he either knew absolutely nothing about (characteristically unlikely), which indicates he makes bad decisions, or knowingly set her up with a psychopath.
Let's not even mention the season 1 LF betrayal of Ned Stark which Sansa didn't witness.
And on the other hand, Arya is a fucking Faceless Man!!!! The whole game of faces is supposed to make her immune to exactly what Littlefinger is trying to pull.
Plus, with this theory there's a character arc payoff for 3 different season 1 characters.
"When you play the game of thrones, you either win or you die."
Even though I think it would be soooo GRRM to have LF on the Iron Throne at the end of next season, in terms of his intersts in subversion of tropes, I don't think he'll actually do it.
Which means, LF is very likely going to die.
The Stark girls killing him puts them in a good place with House Arryn, which may be needed moving forward (I still think Sansa might end up as Lady of the Vale after Robyn comes back), as fans we'll be stoked to see him die, and we all get warm and fuzzies for seeing the Stark girls work together and trust each other. Complete turnaround from how they treated each other in season 1.
Also, Sansa and Arya are pretty safe bets as living characters moving into season 8.
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"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Yea that's a weird one. Why wouldn't Jamie have turned the ship around if he was still in he harbour? I think it would have been less painful to die than to come home with Cersei's daughter's corpse.
But why would Cersei lie about the poison taking a long time? It's not likely that DD put that line in there unless it has some meaning in-terms of moving the plot forward.
I feel we might get to see a Bronn rescue scene with her next time around. But maybe it's just wishful thinking. Within the show, she seems to be the rightful heir to Sunspear. That's a castle worthy of Bronn.
I think you're giving the writers too much credit here.
Hmm, that's an interesting theory I've not heard before.
Bran being the Night King is a scary thought, because that means the Night King knows all. It would explain why he waited instead of finishing Jon Snow and his fellowship off. It would also suggest he knew they were coming. I still don't know how that would work though. While Bran has shown he can reach out and "touch" the past, I don't believe we have seen any indication that he can actually travel physically through time.
I'm not agreeing with that theory - there is nothing from the Three-Eyed Raven to suggest any such transition. Instead, references are that he IS the three-eyed raven. Not even that he has become the three-eyed raven. My hypothesis is that Bran gets stuck in the past (maybe he just falls asleep in the past) and a tree grows out of him.
I really don't think Bran is the night king AND the three eyed Raven.
It wouldn't be a stretch to believe the night king has greensight or whatever the three eyed Raven sight is called. He obviously has some pretty badass magic powers. It also helps explain why he had the foresight to wait out the arrival of dragons instead of ice spearing everyone on the rocks. Plus, bringing those chains...
I'm still no closer to disbelieving that Jon or Dani is the Prince who was Promised/Azor Ahai.
But I'm pretty often wrong.
It wouldn't be a stretch to believe the night king has greensight or whatever the three eyed Raven sight is called. He obviously has some pretty badass magic powers. It also helps explain why he had the foresight to wait out the arrival of dragons instead of ice spearing everyone on the rocks. Plus, bringing those chains...
I'm still no closer to disbelieving that Jon or Dani is the Prince who was Promised/Azor Ahai.
But I'm pretty often wrong.
We've made it through six full seasons, and six episodes of season 7, and Cersei's vagina is still in charge: her husband was King when the series opened, then her son Joffrey took power, followed by her son Tommen. On running out of children, she took the iron throne for herself.
Will she still be on the throne after a full seven seasons?
Will she still be on the throne after a full seven seasons?
Just a shot but...In the episode before this last one, when Jaime fessed up to Cersei that he spoke to Tyiron behind her back. There was a look in Jaime's eyes when she said to him: don't ever go behind my back again...that made me think that something may happen to one of the two by the others hand....like him killing her or vice versa...I don't put it beyond them.
Not show cannon, but here are the Maggy the frog prophesies that speak to this.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Maggy
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Bit of a snoozer of a finale, IMHO.
I'm really pissed that Littlefinger, the master manipulator and villain from the early seasons, became so much of dud in later seasons. Guess I was still holding out hope he had something brewing behind the scenes. I am glad it was the Stark sisters to take him down though...after all he did to their family.
Nice to finally have Jon's heritage out there, and considering who I want to end up on the Iron Throne, this gives great leverage. Unless he steps aside for his...what, aunt? I guess aunt.
I really thought two Lannisters were going to die this episode, so I went 0 for 2 lol. I don't see how Cersei can let Jaime go, but maybe she does actually still care too much to take his life.
I guess this means Dany + Drogon and Jon (Aegon) + Rhaegal (ha, see what you did there) will take on the Night King + zombie Viserion (again, see what you did there) next season.
I'm really pissed that Littlefinger, the master manipulator and villain from the early seasons, became so much of dud in later seasons. Guess I was still holding out hope he had something brewing behind the scenes. I am glad it was the Stark sisters to take him down though...after all he did to their family.
Nice to finally have Jon's heritage out there, and considering who I want to end up on the Iron Throne, this gives great leverage. Unless he steps aside for his...what, aunt? I guess aunt.
I really thought two Lannisters were going to die this episode, so I went 0 for 2 lol. I don't see how Cersei can let Jaime go, but maybe she does actually still care too much to take his life.
I guess this means Dany + Drogon and Jon (Aegon) + Rhaegal (ha, see what you did there) will take on the Night King + zombie Viserion (again, see what you did there) next season.
I got most of that.Yes. Just a thought. I doubt it's even original at this point.
But I will say, DD have moved waaaay off-style if this doesn't pay off in a Stark girl team-up on Littlefinger.
Sansa should absolutely know better than to trust ANYTHING he says. Sure he was instrumental in ensuring the Knights of the Vale came to her rescue at her request during Battle of the Bastards, but he has proven over and over that he shouldn't be trusted.
-He told her he had a lot to do with the murder of Joffrey and pinned it on Ser Dontos who he then had murdered after rescuing Sansa.
-I believe she heard Lysa admit to killing Jon Arryn for LF. This is HUGE as it is perhaps the leading background cause (not trigger cause) of Ned's execution, and most of her family's murders (plus her own marital rape). She then watched him betray and murder Lysa, one scene after kissing a less than nubile Samsa in the Godswood garden. Which was cool in his mind, because he always loved her mother?!?!?
-He married her off to a person he either knew absolutely nothing about (characteristically unlikely), which indicates he makes bad decisions, or knowingly set her up with a psychopath.
Let's not even mention the season 1 LF betrayal of Ned Stark which Sansa didn't witness.
And on the other hand, Arya is a fucking Faceless Man!!!! The whole game of faces is supposed to make her immune to exactly what Littlefinger is trying to pull.
Plus, with this theory there's a character arc payoff for 3 different season 1 characters.
"When you play the game of thrones, you either win or you die."
Even though I think it would be soooo GRRM to have LF on the Iron Throne at the end of next season, in terms of his intersts in subversion of tropes, I don't think he'll actually do it.
Which means, LF is very likely going to die.
The Stark girls killing him puts them in a good place with House Arryn, which may be needed moving forward (I still think Sansa might end up as Lady of the Vale after Robyn comes back), as fans we'll be stoked to see him die, and we all get warm and fuzzies for seeing the Stark girls work together and trust each other. Complete turnaround from how they treated each other in season 1.
Also, Sansa and Arya are pretty safe bets as living characters moving into season 8.
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"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
I usually don't, so this post made me laugh after the episode.
I need to digest that one. Wow. I've been waiting 7 seasons for a lot of what happened there. "Aegon" was news to my ears.
Overall, there were good character moments, but it didn't really make up for much of the stupid storys for this year. I'd still say it was closer to great than not.
-The whole mission north with the loss of a dragon accomplished a truce. Like Hardhome, it was an expensive shoot for moderate plot developments.
-Arya and Sansa tricked Littlefinger, so all that shit with him from this season was for nothing. pretty much all of Winterfell was spinning tires for fan amusement this year.
-is there really going to be a whole Greyjoy story by itself? Sweet. We'll go from 10 characters you love in one scene to 2 characters we don't care about in another. I imagine Theon has a greater role to play than rescuing Yara.
-what the hell was the dead dragon spitting that took down the wall? Blue CG ice that melts ice?
-You immediately tell Sam that Jon isn't Arya/Sansa's brother but not Sansa/The Lady of Winterfell?
-Why is it imperative to tell Jon NOW about his lineage. Targaryen's are all about incest. At least in the books...
They didn't shit the bed, but I wish the whole season could have gone for a re-write. Regardless, it's setting itself up for a satisfying conclusion.
A whole season without spoilers for me despite the leaks. Thanks to y'all for not leaking if you had spoilers!!!
My only complaint about Season 7 was that it was too short. The whole season felt "rushed" as if to wrap up the series.
My other complaint is that they're talking 2019 before Season 8 premieres and then only 6 episodes for crying out loud.
With respect to last night's episode, I really liked it. I'm not the typical viewer who is looking for all action all the time (like some of the above posters). I very much enjoy the political intrigue of the show and the personalities of the characters. There was enough action (maybe too much action in episode 6 and frankly all of Season 7)
With respect to last night's episode.....
1. Lena Hedley really is an under rated actress. She does an amazing job at portraying Cersei. The scene with her and Tyrion was awesome acting on both their parts, but she really succeeded. One minute you feel sorry for her as you understand how loss has affected her so much and the other you're right back to figuring that she's a snake in the grass and not to trust her. (Which is definitely the case.) Cersei is ruthless above all. She has eclipsed her father (who could be ruthless, but could also be fair and he was highly intelligent with excellent instincts. Cersei is ruthless and scheming and power hungry, but she lacks Tywin's instincts and wisdom frankly. She just figures that she'll get what she wants no matter the cost and she has the necessary cash to back her up.) The viewer got to run the bases with Cersei last night. First there was the meeting in the burned out arena (how appropriate) where for the first time in series history, you had most of all the major players together (save and except Sansa, Bran and Aryal). Cersei starts out seething, then terrified at the sight of the Wight, then moves to stand offish, then completely unco-operative. And just when you think it can't go any further, she meets privately with Tyrion (and Franken-mountain) and goes from seething hatred to intense palpable seething hatred. Then surprise surprise, she's up for an alliance to fight the army of the undead.
At this point, I was completely fooled. I thought that she had come to her senses. But no, just another ploy by Cersei. Even Tywin would not have seen the logic in that. Turns out that she's just using the situation to further her own objectives which is to be the sole ruler of the 7 kingdoms. Even Jaime didn't see that coming. I can only hope that Tyrion did. (Tyrion has been wrong more than he has been right this season and usually he has pretty good instincts too. Though with Jaime riding off alone, presumably to hook up with Jon Snow and Daenrys and Tyrion, that cat will be out of the bag soon enough. What was also interesting was the scene with Jaime and Cersei and Frankenmountain, you weren't quite sure whether or not she would have had the Mountain run Jaime through or not. Part of me is amazed she let him walk away.
The entire "meeting of the clans" scene was brilliant in my eyes.
2. The scene where little finger buys it. After the last episode, there was a lot of chatter on line about the whole Arya Sansa conflict in Episode 6 simply being a ruse to draw in Little Finger. While that turned out to be true, they really didn't get him to reveal any nefarious plan that he had in mind. Maybe it just put him and ease and tricked him into dropping his guard. It's funny, but Little Finger had screwed so many people over the years, especially those at Winterfell, he must have had to sleep with one eye open. Can't say I'll miss his character that much (I do especially miss Tywin, Ramsey Bolton, and even Walder Frey) though. The character of Little Finger was interesting, though the acting was only as required. Nothing outstanding like Dinklage, Hedley, or Dance. Anyway, it was pretty cool the way they wrote that scene and Little Finger was finally in a situation where he could not talk himself out of it. I would have thought an execution scene a little more "Tudors" like would have been appropriate rather than just a quick end. Loved the irony of him getting cut by his own dagger though.
3. Jon and Daenerys. Well you knew that was coming. Figuratively and literally. Though I'm not quite sure what was the point of having Tyrion lingering out in the hallway. Is Tyrion also in love with Daenerys? Looks like it. And besides the all too brief and not too erotic sex scene, you had the final putting together of the pieces of Jon's lineage. (And I'm still going to call him Jon.) That also seemed really rushed (like the rest of this season). Almost like the producers wanted to explain it so it was out there. (Kind of like Season 4 of Battle Star Galactica (also one of the finest shows every produced) where there was this huge build up about who was the 12'th cylon and then it was revealed in some sort of ho hum fashion, oh, it's Ellen Tigh and now Ellen Tigh will explain the whole thing in 15 minutes.) But I digress. That scene could have been done better differently. Especially because Sam was so uncharacteristically dismissive of Gilly when she was talking about the diary of the old Maester that she had been reading that revealed Rhaegar's annulment and secret marriage. You would have thought that that would have been revisited between Sam and Gilly, but nope. So now it's out there that Daenerys is Jon's aunt and they are in love (not just doing it). Obviously, he has a stronger claim to the iron throne than she does, however, she's the one who's done the majority of the leg work. So it could get complicated, or it could get easy. I suspect that a child will be conceived, they will be married, and their love will ultimately conquer all and they will rule as King and Queen and hopefully Jon values her input more than he valued Sansa's.
More later
My other complaint is that they're talking 2019 before Season 8 premieres and then only 6 episodes for crying out loud.
With respect to last night's episode, I really liked it. I'm not the typical viewer who is looking for all action all the time (like some of the above posters). I very much enjoy the political intrigue of the show and the personalities of the characters. There was enough action (maybe too much action in episode 6 and frankly all of Season 7)
With respect to last night's episode.....
1. Lena Hedley really is an under rated actress. She does an amazing job at portraying Cersei. The scene with her and Tyrion was awesome acting on both their parts, but she really succeeded. One minute you feel sorry for her as you understand how loss has affected her so much and the other you're right back to figuring that she's a snake in the grass and not to trust her. (Which is definitely the case.) Cersei is ruthless above all. She has eclipsed her father (who could be ruthless, but could also be fair and he was highly intelligent with excellent instincts. Cersei is ruthless and scheming and power hungry, but she lacks Tywin's instincts and wisdom frankly. She just figures that she'll get what she wants no matter the cost and she has the necessary cash to back her up.) The viewer got to run the bases with Cersei last night. First there was the meeting in the burned out arena (how appropriate) where for the first time in series history, you had most of all the major players together (save and except Sansa, Bran and Aryal). Cersei starts out seething, then terrified at the sight of the Wight, then moves to stand offish, then completely unco-operative. And just when you think it can't go any further, she meets privately with Tyrion (and Franken-mountain) and goes from seething hatred to intense palpable seething hatred. Then surprise surprise, she's up for an alliance to fight the army of the undead.
At this point, I was completely fooled. I thought that she had come to her senses. But no, just another ploy by Cersei. Even Tywin would not have seen the logic in that. Turns out that she's just using the situation to further her own objectives which is to be the sole ruler of the 7 kingdoms. Even Jaime didn't see that coming. I can only hope that Tyrion did. (Tyrion has been wrong more than he has been right this season and usually he has pretty good instincts too. Though with Jaime riding off alone, presumably to hook up with Jon Snow and Daenrys and Tyrion, that cat will be out of the bag soon enough. What was also interesting was the scene with Jaime and Cersei and Frankenmountain, you weren't quite sure whether or not she would have had the Mountain run Jaime through or not. Part of me is amazed she let him walk away.
The entire "meeting of the clans" scene was brilliant in my eyes.
2. The scene where little finger buys it. After the last episode, there was a lot of chatter on line about the whole Arya Sansa conflict in Episode 6 simply being a ruse to draw in Little Finger. While that turned out to be true, they really didn't get him to reveal any nefarious plan that he had in mind. Maybe it just put him and ease and tricked him into dropping his guard. It's funny, but Little Finger had screwed so many people over the years, especially those at Winterfell, he must have had to sleep with one eye open. Can't say I'll miss his character that much (I do especially miss Tywin, Ramsey Bolton, and even Walder Frey) though. The character of Little Finger was interesting, though the acting was only as required. Nothing outstanding like Dinklage, Hedley, or Dance. Anyway, it was pretty cool the way they wrote that scene and Little Finger was finally in a situation where he could not talk himself out of it. I would have thought an execution scene a little more "Tudors" like would have been appropriate rather than just a quick end. Loved the irony of him getting cut by his own dagger though.
3. Jon and Daenerys. Well you knew that was coming. Figuratively and literally. Though I'm not quite sure what was the point of having Tyrion lingering out in the hallway. Is Tyrion also in love with Daenerys? Looks like it. And besides the all too brief and not too erotic sex scene, you had the final putting together of the pieces of Jon's lineage. (And I'm still going to call him Jon.) That also seemed really rushed (like the rest of this season). Almost like the producers wanted to explain it so it was out there. (Kind of like Season 4 of Battle Star Galactica (also one of the finest shows every produced) where there was this huge build up about who was the 12'th cylon and then it was revealed in some sort of ho hum fashion, oh, it's Ellen Tigh and now Ellen Tigh will explain the whole thing in 15 minutes.) But I digress. That scene could have been done better differently. Especially because Sam was so uncharacteristically dismissive of Gilly when she was talking about the diary of the old Maester that she had been reading that revealed Rhaegar's annulment and secret marriage. You would have thought that that would have been revisited between Sam and Gilly, but nope. So now it's out there that Daenerys is Jon's aunt and they are in love (not just doing it). Obviously, he has a stronger claim to the iron throne than she does, however, she's the one who's done the majority of the leg work. So it could get complicated, or it could get easy. I suspect that a child will be conceived, they will be married, and their love will ultimately conquer all and they will rule as King and Queen and hopefully Jon values her input more than he valued Sansa's.
More later
Here's the VF take on that Tyrion shot: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/08/game-of-thrones-tyrion-jealous-jon-daenerys-season-7-episode-7-finale-dragon-wolf. I'm inclined to agree with Joanna Robinson, but I usually do on GOT.
In general, since season 4, his plots have been a bit of a letdown. During his scene with Bronn I asked myself if Tyrion would have concubines as Hand for Dani. It was such a big part of his character in early seasons, so a chastened Tyrion just seems a bit of a tangent for a pretty sympathetic Everyman. But, we haven't seen Dani shit in 7 seasons, and I assume she does, so it's not a stretch to think that Tyrion might be sneaking around Marine or Dragonstone looking for tasty treats.
I need to give the season a rewatch or think about it some more. This season saw some pretty big long-running plot reveals, and I think is inarguably the best season for reunions. It's an entirely new ballgame now that all the players are on the same field. The multiple storylines (or perspectives in the books) have really paid off. Seeing everyone in the Dragon Pit was definitely a feel good moment for me. The Hound and Brienne talking about Arya was just amazing.
It's hard to criticize the payoff of an Arya murder scene, but doesn't the man who passes judgement have to swing the sword in the North?
I wonder if together Arya and Sansa are Lady Stoneheart.
Could the season have gotten to where we are today without the magnificent 7 wight kidnapping plot OR Arya v Sansa? When we're getting such a condensed season, it seems like every minute of screen time needs to really be working to tie the series up. There was more pivoting than I think was needed for a penultimate season.
At this point, it ranks up there for me as an episode and season, but mostly for character moments.
The Loot Train Battle wasn't Blackwater, but it was still pretty fun.
In general, since season 4, his plots have been a bit of a letdown. During his scene with Bronn I asked myself if Tyrion would have concubines as Hand for Dani. It was such a big part of his character in early seasons, so a chastened Tyrion just seems a bit of a tangent for a pretty sympathetic Everyman. But, we haven't seen Dani shit in 7 seasons, and I assume she does, so it's not a stretch to think that Tyrion might be sneaking around Marine or Dragonstone looking for tasty treats.
I need to give the season a rewatch or think about it some more. This season saw some pretty big long-running plot reveals, and I think is inarguably the best season for reunions. It's an entirely new ballgame now that all the players are on the same field. The multiple storylines (or perspectives in the books) have really paid off. Seeing everyone in the Dragon Pit was definitely a feel good moment for me. The Hound and Brienne talking about Arya was just amazing.
It's hard to criticize the payoff of an Arya murder scene, but doesn't the man who passes judgement have to swing the sword in the North?
I wonder if together Arya and Sansa are Lady Stoneheart.
Could the season have gotten to where we are today without the magnificent 7 wight kidnapping plot OR Arya v Sansa? When we're getting such a condensed season, it seems like every minute of screen time needs to really be working to tie the series up. There was more pivoting than I think was needed for a penultimate season.
At this point, it ranks up there for me as an episode and season, but mostly for character moments.
The Loot Train Battle wasn't Blackwater, but it was still pretty fun.
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Tyrion really has been a shitty Hand for Dany. Many mistakes made in Essos before the journey to Westeros. Disastrous plans made once in Westeros that lost them two armies. The plan to capture a wight that did absolutely nothing to bring Cersei to their side, yet did give the Night King the means to bring down the Wall. At this point, it'd probably be better off for Westeros if Tyrion snuffed it, despite his intentions.
Since I don't have HBO or download torrents anymore. I spent all summer watching the show at the Madison Pub on Sundays at 9pm for their public viewing parties. Last night's season finale was just EPIC with the incredible full house crowd. I believe they started airing the show at this bar since Season 6. My friends and I had so much fun watching all 7 episodes this season at the Madison. I'm quite sad I won't be going for food and drinks to watch this show with an amazing crowd until next year.
http://dailyhive.com/toronto/game-of-thrones-toronto-2017
http://dailyhive.com/toronto/game-of-thrones-toronto-2017
I agree. But somehow they have managed to overcome everything, maybe except losing the dragon. And that wasn't really his fault. Jon sent a raven for Danny to come to his aid, Tyrion would have never wanted her to go. Ever.
Tyrion has one thing going for him that not too many other characters in the show do. He's got a sense of morality. Most of them, even Daenerys, do not have Tyrion's moral centre. He's bad militarily (Jaime could more than make up for that), but he does understand human frailties.
The one fly in the ointment would appear to be that he's in love with Danny and he's not going to win on that front.
Thanks!!
I usually watch the Anatomy of A Scene, didn't even know about the Making Off videos.
